VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[Talmadge]

Ahhh I didn't actually realise that (I have no interest in it). I'll agree, that's just utterly pointless changes for the sake of it.

I have no issue with it as it is. Sure, dropping the ic is disappointing but the story hasn't really changed and I'm not obsessed enough with a fetish to either whine all day about it or rewrite entire sections of the plot to put it back in. Why in my own mod I only added back the cinematic and one render. No script changes at all (dialogue).

Yeah. I like your mod. I was only talking about the Taboo mod itself. I don't usually use mods when I play the version I buy on Steam. That's how I know that the Taboo one rewrote almost the entire game. As far as I had gotten into it anyway. I like where it gives a player a heads up on what to chose.

 

[alain8891]

I get that. But almost every piece of dialogue was changed. Even conversations with Miru before Leia calls him was changed. And they didn't need to be, in my opinion. There's changing a little bit to make it incest-able. And there is completely changing what the Dev had envisioned in the first place. That's all I'm saying. Don't change the entire game. Just the parts about mom, dad, and sisters.

You missed the point of what my mod was all about. It comes in two flavors: one standard and one taboo. Both reintroduce the intro cinematic and renders there and there, and the Taboo goes further in reintroducing MC and Leia as being siblings. But that was not the main purpose of the mod.

Changing the whole dialog was a deliberate choice of mine. I'm not doing mods the way someone else would feel like it should be done, I'm doing them the way I would appreciate them. Ocean's storytelling (and the same is true of Summer's Gone) is poor. Its dialog writing is not proper English, there are typos all around, grammar mistakes and awkward phrasing in almost every sentence. You can live with that, fine. I can't. It distracts me from really enjoying the game.

Changing the parts about Mom, Dad and sisters would mean rewriting the whole story. Essentially making a whole different game. You wanna do that? Fine, be my guest, everyone is entitled to creating a mod if he feels like it.

But people on here thinking they can do a full incest mode with how the story currently pans out are either delusional, or haven't even paid attention to the story in Chapter 4.

 

[alain8891]

So.. Is anyone working on a full family patch on this one? Or should I make my own? I'm asking since the rushed "uncut" edition probably ruined this game for half the forum users. Anyone works on a patch? I can help, I'm already working on this, so send me a PM if anyone is interested

"rushed" uncut...right, I even went as far as altering several renders to not distract from Leia and MC being siblings in my Taboo mod, but it's "rushed".
Or maybe it's "rushed" because you think you can do a full family rewrite of Chapter 4? At least my mod does preserve the story, there's no way yours could...

As for ruining the game for "half the forum users"...thanks for the vote of confidence, I hardly doubt half the forum users play WiAB, let alone with my mod.

 

[Ratonton]

You missed the point of what my mod was all about. It comes in two flavors: one standard and one taboo. Both reintroduce the intro cinematic and renders there and there, and the Taboo goes further in reintroducing MC and Leia as being siblings. But that was not the main purpose of the mod.

Changing the whole dialog was a deliberate choice of mine. I'm not doing mods the way someone else would feel like it should be done, I'm doing them the way I would appreciate them. Ocean's storytelling (and the same is true of Summer's Gone) is poor. Its dialog writing is not proper English, there are typos all around, grammar mistakes and awkward phrasing in almost every sentence. You can live with that, fine. I can't. It distracts me from really enjoying the game.

Changing the parts about Mom, Dad and sisters would mean rewriting the whole story. Essentially making a whole different game. You wanna do that? Fine, be my guest, everyone is entitled to creating a mod if he feels like it.

But people on here thinking they can do a full incest mode with how the story currently pans out are either delusional, or haven't even paid attention to the story in Chapter 4.

Since you are here, can you give me an example how you rewrote the dialogs? Like before and after dialogs examples. I asked a few days ago about ur mod, that should I replay the game (played only the original), tbh it was fine for me (english not my native lang), but thinking about replaying it if its worth it.

 

[alain8891]

Since you are here, can you give me an example how you rewrote the dialogs? Like before and after dialogs examples. I asked a few days ago about ur mod, that should I replay the game (played only the original), tbh it was fine for me (english not my native lang), but thinking about replaying it if its worth it.

Here's an example...in Chapter 1, when MC says his goodbyes to Daphne...I'd be honest and say that if you've enjoyed the original, you might not want to replay it again with my mod, unless you wanna go for the Taboo version and/or the additional renders/cinematic. But the script itself wouldn't probably be reason enough for a replay.

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[Maviarab]

stares at you a beat longer

Not an improvement...no one in the real word talks like that. There is no improvement there...at all.

Changing dialogue to make family again and what that entails. Fine. You may as well make your own AVN with changing things that just do not need changing. Your mod is basically, WIAB [CH.4] [Alain88911] and iirc, even in your changelog notes, you do not state you have basically rewritten the entire VN to how you 'think' it should be written. That's not a 'mod'...it's a game rewrite.

It's no longer Oceans.

 

[jadepaladin]

Not an improvement...no one in the real word talks like that.

Changing dialogue to make family again and what that entails. fine. You make as well make your AVn with changing things that just do not need changing. Your mod is basically, WIAB [CH.4 - Alain88911].

It's no longer Oceans.

Farewell, Senior Mav. I must depart, my cat is eating the furniture. I shall place a key underneath my mat of welcoming +3 so that you may engage with my domesticated beasts of burden.

Ocean, probably^

 

[sorco2003]

Farewell, Senior Mav. I must depart, my cat is eating the furniture. I shall place a key underneath my mat of welcoming +3 so that you may engage with my domesticated beasts of burden.

Ocean, probably^

While I understand the joke and the point it makes, in this particular case "see ya" doesn't work in context.... Would Daphne be as suspicious of a "see ya" as she is of a "goodbye"?

 

[RNasc4444]

It's no longer Oceans.

But seriously aren't you British? And if so, doesn't Ocean's sentence structuring and grammar send you up a goddamn wall??!?!?! I've been praying for years for the guy to get a damn English proofreader because reading his scripts annoys me to no end. And English isn't even my first or second language!!!! I edited over 120 lines of text myself for my own personal version and that was me being lazy and only changing the most crucial bits!

 

[alain8891]

Not an improvement...no one in the real word talks like that. There is no improvement there...at all.

Changing dialogue to make family again and what that entails. Fine. You may as well make your own AVN with changing things that just do not need changing. Your mod is basically, WIAB [CH.4] [Alain88911] and iirc, even in your changelog notes, you do not state you have basically rewritten the entire VN to how you 'think' it should be written. That's not a 'mod'...it's a game rewrite.

It's no longer Oceans.

The phrase you're quoting is narration, not actual dialogue between characters. Sure no one speaks in the real world like that. That's because it's, again, narration. And I stand by my initial comment that it's better (to me at least) than the original.

And even if that part was not narration, would you claim that people would talk like " "Daphne looks at you for a second longer than usual" in real-life? Come on, you gotta be kidding...

Is the dialog and narration still Ocean's? Of course not, it's no longer since I've REWRITTEN a large portion of it. I've never claimed otherwise. But I've also always said that characterization, plot, dynamics, etc...were left unchanged.

My mod notes clearly state, and I quote, that "The whole game dialog has been rewritten to flow more naturally while preserving all aspects of the story and character dynamics. It now just “feels right”. That’s the intent, at least..."
So you can at least give me credit for being honest about what my mod is. If people can't or won't read a mod description, I dare say it's not my fault.

They are literally dozens of other games on here that have "rewrite" mods, that even go as far as changing parts of the story, or "english improvement" mods. Wanna have a go at them too? Be my guest. But please, at least have the honesty to realize that because you don't like what I did here, doesn't mean I've deceived anyone on purpose with my work.

 

[jadepaladin]

While I understand the joke and the point it makes, in this particular case "see ya" doesn't work in context.... Would Daphne be as suspicious of a "see ya" as she is of a "goodbye"?

Oh I agree 100%. I just couldn't miss a chance to mess with Mav.

Reading what Alain wrote didn't feel like I was reading for Will. If it was some other VN with another character I probably wouldn't have given it a second thought.

 

[alain8891]

While I understand the joke and the point it makes, in this particular case "see ya" doesn't work in context.... Would Daphne be as suspicious of a "see ya" as she is of a "goodbye"?

I reckon it works even better with "see ya". With "goodbye" there's less of an ambiguity in the fact she might never see him again...

 

[Maviarab]

But seriously aren't you British? And if so, doesn't Ocean's sentence structuring and grammar send you up a goddamn wall??!?!?! I've been praying for years for the guy to get a damn English proofreader because reading his scripts annoys me to no end. And English isn't even my first or second language!!!! I edited over 120 lines of text myself for my own personal version and that was me being lazy and only changing the most crucial bits!

LOL...

I accept his style of writing for what it is. Sure there is a lot I would change, but without knowing 'exactly' what his 'intent' is....that's difficult, because it then becomes 'your opinion'.

I proofread for two other VN's and if in any doubt as intetion, I ask them directly so I'm not changing shit just because I don't like it.

 

[sorco2003]

I reckon it works even better with "see ya". With "goodbye" there's less of an ambiguity in the fact she might never see him again...

Precisely, that's the idea, the "see ya" would no longer bring everything that happens afterwards, since there would be no indication that William would never come back. It just doesn't work.

 

[alain8891]

Oh I agree 100%. I just couldn't miss a chance to mess with Mav.

Reading what Alain wrote didn't feel like I was reading for Will. If it was some other VN with another character I probably wouldn't have given it a second thought.

Well we agree to disagree on this one here then.
But please, let's just agree that Ocean's writing is pretty poor and we can leave it at that.

And since when mods are canon anyway? You guys make me feel like I committed some sort of sacrilege over what is, essentially, just a VN with gorgeous renders and poor writing that was literally screaming for an overhaul. I went for it, that's all. Is Ocean that much of god figure that his work shall be left untouched?

 

[alain8891]

LOL...

I accept his style of writing for what it is. Sure there is a lot I would change, but without knowing 'exactly' what his 'intent' is....that's difficult, because it then becomes 'your opinion'.

I proofread for two other VN's and if in any doubt as intetion, I ask them directly so I'm not changing shit just because I don't like it.

That's the difference between proofreading and modding. I do proofreading and beta-testing for other VNs too. I would never claim to change anything myself without referring to the devs.

 

[jadepaladin]

Well we agree to disagree on this one here then.
But please, let's just agree that Ocean's writing is pretty poor and we can leave it at that.

And since when mods are canon anyway? You guys make me feel like I committed some sort of sacrilege over what is, essentially, just a VN with gorgeous renders and poor writing that was literally screaming for an overhaul. I went for it, that's all. Is Ocean that much of god figure that his work shall be left untouched?

I get being on the defensive since everyone seems to have something to say about your work but I literally point other people to it. It doesn't work for me for the reason I explained above but it might work for someone else and I leave it up to them to decide.

 

[alain8891]

Precisely, that's the idea, the "see ya" would no longer bring everything that happens afterwards, since there would be no indication that William would never come back. It just doesn't work.

In the broader context of the whole scene William still makes it pretty clear that he MIGHT not come back, as in the original. So I reckon it still works as intented. I'm sorry you don't see it that way, but as I've said before, I'm not trying to make anyone agree that playing the game with my mod is the canon way.

 

[Maviarab]

I would never claim to change anything myself without referring to the devs.

But you have....haven't you? One of the whole points of your mod lol.

 

[alain8891]

I get being on the defensive since everyone seems to have something to say about your work but I literally point other people to it. It doesn't work for me for the reason I explained above but it might work for someone else and I leave it up to them to decide.

Fair enough and thank you for that. Sorry if I feel like I'm on the defensive (well, it is my work after all), I perfectly understand why some, if not most of the players would want to keep true to the original scripting. I just felt like some of the criticism was a bit harsh if not plain factually wrong...