VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[RNasc4444]

If we want to assume that they are real people, we have to ask ourselves how Wollust did not end up in the hands of the Triad or the Irish or why not the Russians?

Maybe there is no Russia, Ireland or China in the Oceanverse

 

[Maviarab]

If we want to assume that they are real people, we have to ask ourselves how Wollust did not end up in the hands of the Triad or the Irish or why not the Russians?

Maybe there is no Russia, Ireland or China in the Oceanverse

In the motherland...the verses Ocean you?

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Maybe there is no Russia, Ireland or China in the Oceanverse

Wait, what about the Petrovas?

 

[RNasc4444]

Wait, what about the Petrovas?

Give me a break it's Friday. Brain stopped braining 6h ago

 

[X2JZcf]

I guess it all depends on perspective but even with this new Mafia angle I think Leia stands far above everyone else we've seen as a despicable character.

I mean let's be honest how worse could she be? She deals drugs, deals weapons and engages in prostitution. And this is only what we know for sure. There's a chance she actually made someone "disappear". And I'm sure her criminal activities are more vast and nefarious that what we know until now. She's possibly a loan shark too given the shake down we see at the bar. She is so bad that even her lowlife criminal henchmen are concerned about how far she's going. Let that sink in. Her lowlife criminal trash pals are worried that she's going too far.

Now I know that people playing these games are riddled with "porn brain disease" and that makes them more lenient but imagine for just a minute that she was a real person. In the real world. How would you feel about her?

I have no idea what's coming next in the story but to me, she's already beyond any possible redemption. Prison or morgue is what she has coming to her. Preferably the latter

In the fourth chapter, we learn that Leia has started selling weapons to some rebels in the Middle East -> she is now an international threat, possibly even a terrorism sponsor. No happy ending for her.

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[LHDLLB]

I guess it all depends on perspective but even with this new Mafia angle I think Leia stands far above everyone else we've seen as a despicable character.

I mean let's be honest how worse could she be? She deals drugs, deals weapons and engages in prostitution. And this is only what we know for sure. There's a chance she actually made someone "disappear". And I'm sure her criminal activities are more vast and nefarious that what we know until now. She's possibly a loan shark too given the shake down we see at the bar. She is so bad that even her lowlife criminal henchmen are concerned about how far she's going. Let that sink in. Her lowlife criminal trash pals are worried that she's going too far.

Now I know that people playing these games are riddled with "porn brain disease" and that makes them more lenient but imagine for just a minute that she was a real person. In the real world. How would you feel about her?

I have no idea what's coming next in the story but to me, she's already beyond any possible redemption. Prison or morgue is what she has coming to her. Preferably the latter

To be fair I feel that the Zanes reactions to Leia's actions are real odd with the story shifit. Yeah, we know of Leia's criminal side but how is Helen better if for all effects she is running the entire family ? Does she is a moral mobester ? She cries after killing someone so is okay ? I am not saying that Leia is a good person, she is not, and I don't judge characters the same way I do people. What I can't understand is why she is this sumpremme evil for some when almost everyone in the game is on the same business, Miru killed people too, she gets a pass because she is cute ?

 

[txe320]

To be fair I feel that the Zanes reactions to Leia's actions are real odd with the story shifit. Yeah, we know of Leia's criminal side but how is Helen better if for all effects she is running the entire family ? Does she is a moral mobester ? She cries after killing someone so is okay ? I am not saying that Leia is a good person, she is not, and I don't judge characters the same way I do people. What I can't understand is why she is this sumpremme evil for some when almost everyone in the game is on the same business, Miru killed people too, she gets a pass because she is cute ?

Yeah, the more Ocean change the story, the less sense it makes, so it's not just you.

 

[Ass Fan]

Looks perfectly clean to me....

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I believe it, seeing the clean back

 

[RNasc4444]

To be fair I feel that the Zanes reactions to Leia's actions are real odd with the story shifit. Yeah, we know of Leia's criminal side but how is Helen better if for all effects she is running the entire family ? Does she is a moral mobester ? She cries after killing someone so is okay ? I am not saying that Leia is a good person, she is not, and I don't judge characters the same way I do people. What I can't understand is why she is this sumpremme evil for some when almost everyone in the game is on the same business, Miru killed people too, she gets a pass because she is cute ?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. This story is at odds with itself. There are multiple contradictions between chapters 1-3 and chapter 4. That is the reason why their reactions are weird. Before chapter 4's changes we had Jabba the Mute disagreeing with Leia's actions and everything (criminal) that the family was doing. It's clear she doesn't want her family involved with Uncle Joe's business. Now the story has changed and she is insinuated to be the matriarch of the Zanes and yet, for some reason, she is still disagreeing with Leia's actions and everything (criminal) that the family is doing.

If we're talking about a criminal family with mob ties then why in the fuck do Helen and Dylan's roles and actions remain the same as they were before the Mafia crap was intoduced?!?!!?!? There is a fucking galaxy sized disconnect between the first 3 chapters and the 4th one.

But to answer your question about the vilification of Leia compared to the other characters, Leia is the only one so far that we actually see commiting the crimes and doing evil disgusting shit. Everything else is implied or hinted at instead of shown directly.

Also where did this notion that Miru killed people comes from? How did I miss that tidbit? Do we see Miru assassinating someone?? I keep seeing people mentioning Yakuza and whatnot but somehow I missed all of this in my playthroughs? I thought we didn't know shit about Miru or her family yet.

 

[LHDLLB]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. This story is at odds with itself. There are multiple contradictions between chapters 1-3 and chapter 4. That is the reason why their reactions are weird. Before chapter 4's changes we had Jabba the Mute disagreeing with Leia's actions and everything (criminal) that the family was doing. It's clear she doesn't want her family involved with Uncle Joe's business. Now the story has changed and she is insinuated to be the matriarch of the Zanes and yet, for some reason, she is still disagreeing with Leia's actions and everything (criminal) that the family is doing.

If we're talking about a criminal family with mob ties then why in the fuck do Helen and Dylan's roles and actions remain the same as they were before the Mafia crap was intoduced?!?!!?!? There is a fucking galaxy sized disconnect between the first 3 chapters and the 4th one.

But to answer your question about the vilification of Leia compared to the other characters, Leia is the only one so far that we actually see commiting the crimes and doing evil disgusting shit. Everything else is implied or hinted at instead of shown directly.

Also where did this notion that Miru killed people comes from? How did I miss that tidbit? Do we see Miru assassinating someone?? I keep seeing people mentioning Yakuza and whatnot but somehow I missed all of this in my playthroughs? I thought we didn't know shit about Miru or her family yet.

Fully agree on the first half.

No, is not show Miru killing anybody. Is for all affects a speculation on my part. But is really something out of the blue ? Miru's family and herself has criminal connections, for all the Zanes drug deals is Miru who give free tips on how to grow more and better weed, she is show being much more violent than Leia's goons, Miru's is show to be a somewhat violent person. Does the idea that she is a killer really out of character ? She dosen't bites a eye at Leia's activites or William desire to be part of the family. So while it is a extrapolation on my part I don't think is a unreasonable one.

 

[yossa999]

If we want to assume that they are real people, we have to ask ourselves how Wollust did not end up in the hands of the Triad or the Irish or why not the Russians?

Why should Russians be interested in Wollust? They can already buy alcohol from the age of 18.

Wait, what about the Petrovas?

Bulgarian.

 

[Icekatana]

...she is just a cunt about it.

This is the reason for me, right there.

I don't hate Leia, but she is my least favorite character, by a large margin. She also has this haughty, undeserved arrogance about her that pisses me off. Now, she might soften later on and I'll like her a little more, but this is how things are for me right now.

 

[X2JZcf]

she might soften later on and I'll like her a little more

Just a little more beating, and we're golden.

 

[Trojaner]

Just a little more beating, and we're golden. View attachment 5200493
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Loved the Miru Punch ... want def some more of it. I mean, if F hits another F its totally ok right.

 

[LHDLLB]

This is the reason for me, right there.

I don't hate Leia, but she is my least favorite character, by a large margin. She also has this haughty, undeserved arrogance about her that pisses me off. Now, she might soften later on and I'll like her a little more, but this is how things are for me right now.

Oh don't get me wrong, is more than a fair reason to not like a character or person. My "problem" is the notion that Leia is some sort of utimate evil because she is facilitates sex, killeed a harasser and is seeling weapons to third world countries. Sure, she is not a good person but I don't see how she is worse than a literal mob family.

 

[Chillout1984]

Oh don't get me wrong, is more than a fair reason to not like a character or person. My "problem" is the notion that Leia is some sort of utimate evil because she is facilitates sex, killeed a harasser and is seeling weapons to third world countries. Sure, she is not a good person but I don't see how she is worse than a literal mob family.

Imo out of those 3 only the selling weapons could be considered truly evil. Facilitating sex isn't evil (except I do agree that she does it dubious manner) and killing an harasser is grey area for me. The reason he's gone is that he was harassing multiple times and if I'm not mistaken has been warned before. More than enough reason to get rid of him permanently imo.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Sure, she is not a good person but I don't see how she is worse than a literal mob family.

This is largely due to the changes made since chapter 4. Up until chapter 3 there was some disapproval of what Leia did but she was still a member of the family, now it is not clear why Helen and Dylan do not have similar means and methods.

 

[LHDLLB]

Imo out of those 3 only the seeing weapons could be considered truly evil. Facilitating sex isn't evil (except I do agree that she does it dubious manner) and killing an harasser is grey area for me. The reason he's gone is that he was harassing multiple times and if I'm not mistaken has been warned before. More than enough reason to get rid of him permanently imo.

prostitution is a dirty business but I got the impression that Leia does it as clean as possible, and on that matter so is pornography but we are given a choice to become a porn producer and bring oir girlfriend into it. I Agree on the Jorge situation too. As for the weapons, there are a lot of ways at looking at it. None of it make it good though and is not what I am arguing anyway. I could say that is something that countries does all the time, that she is selling abroad só is not like she is arming criminals, that she is seeling to rebels with a just cause, dosen't matter, I am not trying to justify her actions, Leia is not a good person. But does it makes her worse ? Feels to me like a arbitrary morality line that dosen't make sense. To ke people just don't like Leia's personality, with is completely fair, and then paint the picture of her as this personification of evil when we got plenty of sugestition and more explicit information that Leia is no worse than others characters with a more fun personality that dosen't suffers this hate

 

[LHDLLB]

This is largely due to the changes made since chapter 4. Up until chapter 3 there was some disapproval of what Leia did but she was still a member of the family, now it is not clear why Helen and Dylan do not have similar means and methods.

Not really, the Zanes were never clean. All of Leia's operations are in fact not hers but Uncle Joe. The Zanes always had criminal afiliations, maybe not full mob family with codes about not fucking your not sister, but always had criminal afiliations.

 

[Chillout1984]

prostitution is a dirty business but I got the impression that Leia does it as clean as possible, and on that matter so is pornography but we are given a choice to become a porn producer and bring or girlfriend to it. I Agree on the Jorge situation too. As for the weapons, there are a lot of ways at looking at it. None of it make it good though and is not what I am arguing anyway. I could say that is something that countries does all the time, that she is selling abroad só is not like she is arming criminals, that she is seeling to rebels with a just cause, dosen't matter, I am not trying to justify her actions, Leia is not a good person. But does it makes her worse ? Feels to me like a arbitrary morality line that dosen't make sense. To ke people just don't like Leia's personality, with is completely fair, and then paint the picture of her as this personification of evil when we got plenty of sugestition and more explicit information that Leia is no worse than others characters with a more fun personality that dosen't suffers this hate

Both the porn business and prostitution through bordellos/stripclubs/whatever you want to call them in general are quite clean when correctly regulated (which at least is the case for the porn industry in the US as far as I'm aware and I've also read there are usually inspections at strip clubs). There are of course bad apples, but you have those in every industry.

You are correct that Leia does it as clean as possible and unless she's acting, she does really care about "her" girls. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I got the feeling that her girls only are prostitutes if they want to. If they don't, it seems she's just fine with them working non-sexual jobs at her business. The dubious part I mentioned of course, is that if a girl decides to quit, she probably also (near) immediately homeless.