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BobTheDuck

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But neither of them was ever really considered the don's daughter.
Although in our case it would be Donna instead of Don :sneaky:
They were, that's why they're considered assets to marry off. William's tha last Grimaldi heir, but, of nothing. Same with Leia, just the Pedersoli heir. That's at least what I understood of the Family infighting, and the kids being saved for political/tactical reasons. Which is why they're talking about marriage alliances. William can be married off to someone who will never be an heir to anything prevent his disgraced family from ever gaining new status, he was saved by the Zanes as leverage presumably.
 

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There are 100 of articles like this about new series house of dragons ... also the ither side can argue it goes against christian values ... or killer games argument..

Its a very stupid idea to allow cencorship in any typ of form in fictional work dosent matter if you like it or not ...if you start regulating/ deleting things it will draw the red line a little bit further and further until its completly gone/ everything controversial happens off screen

Also extremly hypercrit to dont allow a weird game movie because content X I dont like but than say games of thones is allowed to have content X

You can already see it game of thones is more toned down than the books and house of dragon is already more toned down than game of thones .
You truly do not get my point! You seem not being able to understand the difference between content x popping up in whatever type of media and making media which celebrates content x!
Rapeday was abusing the freedom of expression to celebrate and propagate serial rape crimes, how great it is to commit this crimes. It was absolutely right to ban it!
GoT has incest, rape, murder and savagery as part of the story, but it does not celebrate it or permanently talks about how great it is to maraude around, kill and slaughter. A BIG difference to Rapeday! If you cannot understand why one is a really great story with hardcore elements and the other a propaganda for commiting serial crimes, then I cannot help you.
 
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sorco2003

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Wrong. They use Zane as a last name, which is used publicly. Their "new" last names are used as middle names, William Grimaldi Zane for example. That is explained in the game. It's stupid, but really mostly consistent, sort of.
Ok, just a idea... If a somebody fund "The Zane Family", idk, like The Ramones... and every iniciated is re born like Joey Ramone?
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If he had just left everything as it was—without explicitly stating the family ties, keeping Helen as his mom in name only, and never directly confirming in the text that she was his mother—I would have taken the omertà and stayed silent. Everyone would have understood anyway. But he deliberately pointed out and emphasized that they aren’t related at all.

As was said before, incest was the backbone of the plot, and now it’s been ripped out. Everything is just the mafia now, and he’s going to use this mafia to patch up the holes between WIAB and SG—just as clumsily as all the leftover scraps of the old plot threads.

It’s sad how all the characters who once loved the MC have been turned into cynical bastards that are now easy to hate.

I still can't finish it.
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MichaelJordan

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Having issues building Mac version from market-one. Which is weird, other games are building fine.
Any ideas how to fix it?


Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 291, in script
    python:
ScriptError: could not find label 'start'.
 

BobTheDuck

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Having issues building Mac version from market-one. Which is weird, other games are building fine.
Any ideas how to fix it?


Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 291, in script
    python:
ScriptError: could not find label 'start'.
Check that you're using the same version of renpy as the script_version.txt file says. Failing that, Right click to open the package contents of the newly made mac app, and replace all the files in the autorun folder with the equivalent market ones. It's been a while since I had to do that so a bit of trial and error there.
 
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BobTheDuck

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Should I go down this path? Knowing it might get jeopardized with future chapters?

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I'd still say at some point, there will be Grimaldi only or Pedersoli only backstory. Which would make the mod unsustainable, if the two were at each others throats for example (Romeo and Juliet vibes) Who's the old guy Leia plays chess with? I presume the Pedersoli uncle? I can't fully remember where she explains her family.

In any case, just consider that at some point in the next 24-28 chapters or whatever it is, those relatives might show up.
 
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MichaelJordan

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Check that you're using the same version of renpy as the script_version.txt file says. Failing that, Right click to open the package contents of the newly made mac app, and replace all the files in the autorun folder with the equivalent market ones. It's been a while since I had to do that so a bit of trial and error there.
Worked as a charm! Renpy version was the same, replacing "autorun" files did the trick. Thanks!
 

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If he had just left everything as it was—without explicitly stating the family ties, keeping Helen as his mom in name only, and never directly confirming in the text that she was his mother—I would have taken the omertà and stayed silent. Everyone would have understood anyway. But he deliberately pointed out and emphasized that they aren’t related at all.

As was said before, incest was the backbone of the plot, and now it’s been ripped out. Everything is just the mafia now, and he’s going to use this mafia to patch up the holes between WIAB and SG—just as clumsily as all the leftover scraps of the old plot threads.

It’s sad how all the characters who once loved the MC have been turned into cynical bastards that are now easy to hate.

I still can't finish it.
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It was a simple and understandable core, Willy did something "universally" seen as wrong and when he risked being discovered as an immature teenager he ran away. Now we have an "uncle" Giuseppe who at the same time wants to use them as pawns for alliances with the Zane and does not consider them Zane
 
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BobTheDuck

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It was a simple and understandable core, Willy did something "universally" seen as wrong and when he risked being discovered as an immature teenager he ran away. Now we have an "uncle" Giuseppe who at the same time wants to use them as pawns for alliances with the Zane and does not consider them Zane
That's why Willi has to submit to the judgment, whether or not he's in or out, or whether he's bulletproof. The alliances are about moving pawns to make queens. Same principle. Marrying a Grimaldi off into a nothing family, might raise that families prestige, while neutering any threat of Willi reviving the disgraced family name. Same with Pedersoli. Alliances aren't always to the directly powerful, but to manipulate. We'll have to see what alliancs are being planned, but these are considered trades of power, to equalise the situation and tied people into place.
 

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That's why Willi has to submit to the judgment, whether or not he's in or out, or whether he's bulletproof. The alliances are about moving pawns to make queens. Same principle. Marrying a Grimaldi off into a nothing family, might raise that families prestige, while neutering any threat of Willi reviving the disgraced family name. Same with Pedersoli. Alliances aren't always to the directly powerful, but to manipulate. We'll have to see what alliancs are being planned, but these are considered trades of power, to equalise the situation and tied people into place.
Honestly I don't see the logic, what's the point if they are considered Pedersoli/Grimaldi? Those two families don't exist anymore, they have no influence to give and there's no point in controlling them. The marriage taboo is only useful if they are considered like Zane, but during the chapter Ocean tells us that whoever decided this rule doesn't see them as such. It's yet another case of Ocean has no brakes, he found the trick of the "mafia rules" to replace incest and then thought "how cool it would be if someone with power hated William because of his bological family" thus ruining the consistency... At least I can't see it differently than that.
 
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