She wants to punish him just as much as Jenna but Jenna slightly more since she was the one behind the hacking. She's also on the verge of a complete breakdown and isn't thinking clearly.
While the MC is the main character, obviously, he isn't the be all and end all. All the other characters don't revolve around him, they have their own things going on.
Jolina isn't going to discuss what she is going to do with the MC because it's her business. She doesn't need nor want his permission to do what she wants.
Like she says if you try to object to how harsh she's being, it basically boils down to she gives zero fucks what your opinion is, you invaded her privacy and hurt her now deal with it.
I want the revelation of who he is fucking to happen soon, his declaration of love (or not), the fallout to all of it. Having to pickup the pieces after all that he has done (or who he has done) will hopefully be deliciously terrible and, perhaps, humorous. Just going to be a long time getting there...
Yeah I really can't wait for when the MC starts solidifying the relationships with other characters whether its a declaration of love or a dramatic break up with severe consequences. As someone who kind of got that option in this update with my favorite character Lily I was happy with this update even though there wasn't much main plot in this update.
Don't worry I believe CellStudiosis hard at work on the incest patch. He has free time as the next update will be dialog only to deal with the petition that MrFriendlyhas been circulating to have a sex free episode that only deals with plot.
I understand that the game is very much sex first and everything else a distant second, it's just frustrating that it is written in such a way that even when you play the MC as someone who is committed to only one woman you spend every update turning down women who get overly upset about the fact that the MC is turning them down (can't the game be programmed in such a manner as to check if a character was turned down and then not ask every time the game is updated?) As if the MC should, of course, be fucking them all even though the game is NOT going to have a harem. You can declare your love for Katie in front of her friends and those same "best" friends will step up and ask about fucking behind her back...
Anyway, just something I noticed as I played through the game on my Katie path, I quickstarted for everything else.
I get it the game does circle back a lot and keep asking you to commit to every woman. So I do, but I know they will punish me for it when it's all their fault.
Damn you Cheeky, Ace, and Cell you keep making me man whore. But I love it!
we getting to the point where we have to choose our LI, just in this update there was options to tell 4 girls we want a serious relationship with them so im gonna guess we will soon see the start of the downfall for the people trying to catch them all
I think next episode will deal with the other half of the large selection of women plus maybe another hookup with Mabel. And the quick conversation with Elaine that will, most likely, solve nothing.
Yeah I really can't wait for when the MC starts solidifying the relationships with other characters whether its a declaration of love or a dramatic break up with severe consequences. As someone who kind of got that option in this update with my favorite character Lily I was happy with this update even though there wasn't much main plot in this update.
Yeah, I want the MC to stop being so calculating or "magical dick first" and be able to call everyone and say "we done, I chose my kinky sex partner and it ain't you". And then have the world fall on him.
Don't worry I believe CellStudiosis hard at work on the incest patch. He has free time as the next update will be dialog only to deal with the petition that MrFriendlyhas been circulating to have a sex free episode that only deals with plot.
Because you are supposed to fuck them all.
I get it the game does circle back a lot and keep asking you to commit to every woman. So I do but I know they will punish me for it when it's all their fault.
LOL, that will never happen, this game relies on the sex as the main component of its narrative (nothing wrong with that) and did plenty of "no sex" in the beginning. In the next updates after 21 I'd expect that there will be less sex scenes as the MC starts having to make decisions about who he continues with and we head toward the ending of the game. I am just hoping for more drama and less wrap up.
Would be nice if the game knew that when I said "no, I don't want to fuck Jolina" that it really knew that and didn't continue to ask me if I was "sure" that I didn't want to fuck her (this applies to all of the women).
Would be nice if the game knew that when I said "no, I don't want to fuck Jolina" that it really knew that and didn't continue to ask me if I was "sure" that I didn't want to fuck her (this applies to all of the women).
This I agree with not only with Jolina but I have exactly the same issue with Bella. It annoyed me so much with her that I really started to hate her as a character and not want anything to do with her.
This I agree with not only with Jolina but I have exactly the same issue with Bella. It annoyed me so much with her that I really started to hate her as a character and not want anything to do with her.
Yeah, I'd really like to be able to say no without the game asking, "are you sure?", "are you really sure you're sure?", "last chance to change your mind! So are you super sure you're sure you're sure?"...
Anyway, I suppose it's better than being forced to fuck someone, at least we've not had that scenario happen in this game.
She wants to punish him just as much as Jenna but Jenna slightly more since she was the one behind the hacking. She's also on the verge of a complete breakdown and isn't thinking clearly.
While the MC is the main character, obviously, he isn't the be all and end all. All the other characters don't revolve around him, they have their own things going on.
Jolina isn't going to discuss what she is going to do with the MC because it's her business. She doesn't need nor want his permission to do what she wants.
Like she says if you try to object to how harsh she's being, it basically boils down to she gives zero fucks what your opinion is, you invaded her privacy and hurt her now deal with it.
Because she really cares about him and wants to make this work? I'm talking specifically about the situation where the MC and Jolina are trying to be in a relationship and he never fooled around with Jenna. In that case it seems... unwise for Jolina to demand the MC make out with her in front of a friend who has feelings for him that he's never reciprocated. Remember, as far as Jolina knows, the MC didn't know Jenna was watching them until after the sex was over.
The MC's (known) transgression had nothing to do with sex, so having Jolina make his participation sexual is dicey. However mad she is (justifiably so), she shouldn't expect the MC to be in lock-step with her on this, and she shouldn't push it if it turns out he isn't. I'm hardly an expert on relationships, but even I know that sometimes being right is not the important thing in a disagreement.
But besides that, Jolina makes it clear she's forgiven the MC, so this is a strange hill to die on. Having her insist on his participation (rather than expressing her anger/disappointment at his refusal and then discussing it with him afterwards) makes her seem unnecessarily short-sighted and petty, IMHO.
And that's completely ignoring situations where Jenna never spied on Jolina having sex. In those cases, Jolina deliberately sexualizing things feels really skeevy. As I said, the scene works when the MC has already fooled around with both girls, because the punishment fits the crime. I just think it needed more work to fit into situations where the underlying crime was less blatant.
Because she really cares about him and wants to make this work? I'm talking specifically about the situation where the MC and Jolina are trying to be in a relationship and he never fooled around with Jenna. In that case it seems... unwise for Jolina to demand the MC make out with her in front of a friend who has feelings for him that he's never reciprocated. Remember, as far as Jolina knows, the MC didn't know Jenna was watching them until after the sex was over.
The MC's (known) transgression had nothing to do with sex, so having Jolina make his participation sexual is dicey. However mad she is (justifiably so), she shouldn't expect the MC to be in lock-step with her on this, and she shouldn't push it if it turns out he isn't. I'm hardly an expert on relationships, but even I know that sometimes being right is not the important thing in a disagreement.
But besides that, Jolina makes it clear she's forgiven the MC, so this is a strange hill to die on. Having her insist on his participation (rather than expressing her anger/disappointment at his refusal and then discussing it with him afterwards) makes her seem unnecessarily short-sighted and petty, IMHO.
And that's completely ignoring situations where Jenna never spied on Jolina having sex. In those cases, Jolina deliberately sexualizing things feels really skeevy. As I said, the scene works when the MC has already fooled around with both girls, because the punishment fits the crime. I just think it needed more work to fit into situations where the underlying crime was less blatant.
in what ever relationship status you are in with both, Jenna still hacks her and invades her privacy in her own home, spying on her while she is naked and even gets the MC to look aswell
in what ever relationship status you are in with both, Jenna still hacks her and invades her privacy in her own home, spying on her while she is naked and even gets the MC to look aswell
True, but turning it into a sexual thing is still weird. "You invaded my privacy so now I want you to watch me make out with 1) guy I am angry with or 2) your boyfriend or 3) my boyfriend or 4) our boyfriend."
Also, if she feels so violated and that the MC and Jenna aren't trustworthy why would she then trust them with her business (failing or otherwise)? Does Jolina have no one else in her life she trusts? I thought it was speculated that Bella and Jolina knew each other? Anyway, not a huge concern just wondering if I missed something.
Yeah, I'd really like to be able to say no without the game asking, "are you sure?", "are you really sure you're sure?", "last chance to change your mind! So are you super sure you're sure you're sure?"...
Yeah it ended up kind of ridiculous especially with Bella it reminded me of this scene from it's Always Sunny.
Hey Ace next time Bella tries to sleep with my MC can we have the choice to throw salt at her till she goes away.
Everything she's ever worked for is gone, everything she's done has been for nothing and she's having to apply for a job where the only thing that matters are her tits.
Do you really think she's putting any thought into anything else right now?
Everything she's ever worked for is gone, everything she's done has been for nothing and she's having to apply for a job where the only thing that matters are her tits.
Do you really think she's putting any thought into anything else right now?
Everything she's ever worked for is gone, everything she's done has been for nothing and she's having to apply for a job where the only thing that matters are her tits.
Do you really think she's putting any thought into anything else right now?
But not when the MC refuses. That's when she's calm and matter of fact, pointing out her rationale and willing to carry on with Jenna alone if the MC storms off. It's only when discussing her business that she seems overwhelmed (in which case she's very willing to let the MC comfort her).
That's why I can't really see her as being on the verge of a breakdown. She's obviously stressed about her life and is angry at the MC/Jenna for what they did. But she seems quite capable of segregating the two problems in my view.
I've liked Jolina for a while and I still like her, but her scene with Jenna is really problematic. Fundamentally, it only works in the case where the MC is pursuing both her and Jenna. In cases where the MC never showed any interest in Jolina she just comes across as a borderline sex offender. In cases where the MC has never shown interest in Jenna, Jolina's method makes sense but it feels a little over the top - and Jo really should have discussed it with the MC first.
It's only in the case where the MC was fooling around with both of them that the punishment fits, and thus makes it to the relatively lighthearted zone it really needs to be in. I realize that's probably the most likely scenario for a porn game, but it's not the only scenario and quite frankly the scene needed some other variations to handle those scenarios.
This is particularly disappointing because it's the exact same problem we had in Episode 19 where the big orgy was treated as a one-size-fits-all scene regardless of how much sense it made; the only way for the MC that wasn't dating one of the girls to avoid a threesome was to storm off and hope things worked themselves out without him. [Which, BTW, is still unclear even after this update: are Lily and Debbie a thing now if the MC didn't pursue any girls on team Katie? Beats me.]
In an effort to organize the rest of my (numerous) thoughts on Episode 20, I'm going to break it down into sub-categories. Proceed at your own peril!
My, that was quite the treatise. Since I had a lot of criticisms, let me sum up by saying I still liked the episode and do want to see this through to the end. I'm just disappointed because I feel like this game isn't living up to its full potential.
That may not be an entirely fair way to judge it, effectively asking it to live up to my own ambitions rather than accepting it for what it is. But I'd hate for WTHI to sell itself short, so I hope you'll take this as sincere advice, even if you ultimately disagree with it.
Yeah, I'd really like to be able to say no without the game asking, "are you sure?", "are you really sure you're sure?", "last chance to change your mind! So are you super sure you're sure you're sure?"...
Anyway, I suppose it's better than being forced to fuck someone, at least we've not had that scenario happen in this game.
Bella, Jolina and Jenna have clear difficulties in accepting rejection...
so far I've only completed my main run, the one with Debbie and Lily, so I'm still shaken up...
considering the situation the whole apology scene with Jolina seems more like a trap than something sincere, she shows up dressed like a porn cheerleader (she had the interview... ok, it doesn't take much to change, of course when she changes she manages to dress even less), despite the fact that it's all about regaining trust she tries to kiss MC repeatedly and to go further, then apparently she forgives him, Jenna arrives and the circus starts again, she keeps pressuring him to kiss in front of a third person a guy who has already rejected her three times only in the afternoon...
let's say there's a certain will not to make us trust the blonde too much
Bella, Jolina and Jenna have clear difficulties in accepting rejection...
so far I've only completed my main run, the one with Debbie and Lily, so I'm still shaken up...
considering the situation the whole apology scene with Jolina seems more like a trap than something sincere, she shows up dressed like a porn cheerleader (she had the interview... ok, it doesn't take much to change, of course when she changes she manages to dress even less), despite the fact that it's all about regaining trust she tries to kiss MC repeatedly and to go further, then apparently she forgives him, Jenna arrives and the circus starts again, she keeps pressuring him to kiss in front of a third person a guy who has already rejected her three times only in the afternoon...
let's say there's a certain will not to make us trust the blonde too much
Yeah, she "hates" that she has to dress like a slutty cheerleader for this new job... Yet, you usually only wear the uniform AFTER you get hired and she could easily have changed clothes. I've never been a Jolina fan and the fact that the MC is required to communicate with her is obviously for the sex scenes.
Logically the MC could have asked around the area to see if anyone else had security cameras that they would let him look at the footage, he could have even paid them. But the MC puts minimal effort into finding out about the will, the lawyer provides him with more information than he ever finds out himself... He's been in Monica's house for awhile now, if he suspected her he could look around, he could ask Angel if she ever saw Don there, he could look around at Zarah's house since he's been there multiple times, he could look around at Elaine's to see if there's a copy of the will out, etc.
