Yeah, I'd really like to be able to say no without the game asking, "are you sure?", "are you really sure you're sure?", "last chance to change your mind! So are you super sure you're sure you're sure?"...
Yeah it ended up kind of ridiculous especially with Bella it reminded me of this scene from it's Always Sunny.
Hey Ace next time Bella tries to sleep with my MC can we have the choice to throw salt at her till she goes away.
Everything she's ever worked for is gone, everything she's done has been for nothing and she's having to apply for a job where the only thing that matters are her tits.
Do you really think she's putting any thought into anything else right now?
Everything she's ever worked for is gone, everything she's done has been for nothing and she's having to apply for a job where the only thing that matters are her tits.
Do you really think she's putting any thought into anything else right now?
Everything she's ever worked for is gone, everything she's done has been for nothing and she's having to apply for a job where the only thing that matters are her tits.
Do you really think she's putting any thought into anything else right now?
But not when the MC refuses. That's when she's calm and matter of fact, pointing out her rationale and willing to carry on with Jenna alone if the MC storms off. It's only when discussing her business that she seems overwhelmed (in which case she's very willing to let the MC comfort her).
That's why I can't really see her as being on the verge of a breakdown. She's obviously stressed about her life and is angry at the MC/Jenna for what they did. But she seems quite capable of segregating the two problems in my view.
I've liked Jolina for a while and I still like her, but her scene with Jenna is really problematic. Fundamentally, it only works in the case where the MC is pursuing both her and Jenna. In cases where the MC never showed any interest in Jolina she just comes across as a borderline sex offender. In cases where the MC has never shown interest in Jenna, Jolina's method makes sense but it feels a little over the top - and Jo really should have discussed it with the MC first.
It's only in the case where the MC was fooling around with both of them that the punishment fits, and thus makes it to the relatively lighthearted zone it really needs to be in. I realize that's probably the most likely scenario for a porn game, but it's not the only scenario and quite frankly the scene needed some other variations to handle those scenarios.
This is particularly disappointing because it's the exact same problem we had in Episode 19 where the big orgy was treated as a one-size-fits-all scene regardless of how much sense it made; the only way for the MC that wasn't dating one of the girls to avoid a threesome was to storm off and hope things worked themselves out without him. [Which, BTW, is still unclear even after this update: are Lily and Debbie a thing now if the MC didn't pursue any girls on team Katie? Beats me.]
In an effort to organize the rest of my (numerous) thoughts on Episode 20, I'm going to break it down into sub-categories. Proceed at your own peril!
My, that was quite the treatise. Since I had a lot of criticisms, let me sum up by saying I still liked the episode and do want to see this through to the end. I'm just disappointed because I feel like this game isn't living up to its full potential.
That may not be an entirely fair way to judge it, effectively asking it to live up to my own ambitions rather than accepting it for what it is. But I'd hate for WTHI to sell itself short, so I hope you'll take this as sincere advice, even if you ultimately disagree with it.
Yeah, I'd really like to be able to say no without the game asking, "are you sure?", "are you really sure you're sure?", "last chance to change your mind! So are you super sure you're sure you're sure?"...
Anyway, I suppose it's better than being forced to fuck someone, at least we've not had that scenario happen in this game.
Bella, Jolina and Jenna have clear difficulties in accepting rejection...
so far I've only completed my main run, the one with Debbie and Lily, so I'm still shaken up...
considering the situation the whole apology scene with Jolina seems more like a trap than something sincere, she shows up dressed like a porn cheerleader (she had the interview... ok, it doesn't take much to change, of course when she changes she manages to dress even less), despite the fact that it's all about regaining trust she tries to kiss MC repeatedly and to go further, then apparently she forgives him, Jenna arrives and the circus starts again, she keeps pressuring him to kiss in front of a third person a guy who has already rejected her three times only in the afternoon...
let's say there's a certain will not to make us trust the blonde too much
Bella, Jolina and Jenna have clear difficulties in accepting rejection...
so far I've only completed my main run, the one with Debbie and Lily, so I'm still shaken up...
considering the situation the whole apology scene with Jolina seems more like a trap than something sincere, she shows up dressed like a porn cheerleader (she had the interview... ok, it doesn't take much to change, of course when she changes she manages to dress even less), despite the fact that it's all about regaining trust she tries to kiss MC repeatedly and to go further, then apparently she forgives him, Jenna arrives and the circus starts again, she keeps pressuring him to kiss in front of a third person a guy who has already rejected her three times only in the afternoon...
let's say there's a certain will not to make us trust the blonde too much
Yeah, she "hates" that she has to dress like a slutty cheerleader for this new job... Yet, you usually only wear the uniform AFTER you get hired and she could easily have changed clothes. I've never been a Jolina fan and the fact that the MC is required to communicate with her is obviously for the sex scenes.
Logically the MC could have asked around the area to see if anyone else had security cameras that they would let him look at the footage, he could have even paid them. But the MC puts minimal effort into finding out about the will, the lawyer provides him with more information than he ever finds out himself... He's been in Monica's house for awhile now, if he suspected her he could look around, he could ask Angel if she ever saw Don there, he could look around at Zarah's house since he's been there multiple times, he could look around at Elaine's to see if there's a copy of the will out, etc.
Yeah, she "hates" that she has to dress like a slutty cheerleader for this new job... Yet, you usually only wear the uniform AFTER you get hired and she could easily have changed clothes. I've never been a Jolina fan and the fact that the MC is required to communicate with her is obviously for the sex scenes.
Logically the MC could have asked around the area to see if anyone else had security cameras that they would let him look at the footage, he could have even paid them. But the MC puts minimal effort into finding out about the will, the lawyer provides him with more information than he ever finds out himself... He's been in Monica's house for awhile now, if he suspected her he could look around, he could ask Angel if she ever saw Don there, he could look around at Zarah's house since he's been there multiple times, he could look around at Elaine's to see if there's a copy of the will out, etc.
it is unusual but we can also believe that they have asked her for a costume fitting. then of course the premise is that we are in a porn game, but talking to someone who has invaded your privacy, with someone who would have spied on you for days, dressed for naughty halloween is not a good business card
To suspect that it was Monica who had sent the false e-mail with MC's telephone number to herself has always seemed to me to be too convoluted a version, should Monica have done all this in order to have an alibi for a suspicion that only she generated by telling about the e-mail?
I don't know why, but it is always difficult to give alibis to the MC, but we are talking about a little more than an adolescent, an orphan, who has lived the last years in a toxic environment after being torn away from a happy environment for him at the time of his mother's death. and now he finds himself having to suspect everyone and glimpse a millionaire future.
Not exactly a situation that leads you to act with lucidity
No plans at the moment to update the gallery. Not sure we'll continue with this feature at all as it takes a lot of work. We're putting the effort into stuff like the jump-to-any-episode feature instead.
FWIW, I really enjoy this feature. It is nice to be able to replay a specific scene without having to go through other parts of the episode that the scene is in. Would be a shame if the feature was no longer updated.
Probably because, after 19 episodes, the Dev has updates to the latest Renpy which won't run on older machines or older video cards. You will either need to get a new laptop or new video card.
it is unusual but we can also believe that they have asked her for a costume fitting. then of course the premise is that we are in a porn game, but talking to someone who has invaded your privacy, with someone who would have spied on you for days, dressed for naughty halloween is not a good business card
To suspect that it was Monica who had sent the false e-mail with MC's telephone number to herself has always seemed to me to be too convoluted a version, should Monica have done all this in order to have an alibi for a suspicion that only she generated by telling about the e-mail?
I don't know why, but it is always difficult to give alibis to the MC, but we are talking about a little more than an adolescent, an orphan, who has lived the last years in a toxic environment after being torn away from a happy environment for him at the time of his mother's death. and now he finds himself having to suspect everyone and glimpse a millionaire future.
Not exactly a situation that leads you to act with lucidity
Yeah, I was more giving examples. I don't see Monica as the emailer but she could be the third gold digger. Many felt that they'd be one and the same but obviously are wrong. I also find it unlikely that Monica is the third gold digger considering how much she hated (or says she hated) Don. To me the most logical answer is Bella, Don fucking Elaine's sister in the house he was sharing with her seems far more likely than Monica. But then maybe Elaine was telling the truth about the affair and is intentionally sabotaging the MC's chances of getting anything. We'll have to wait and see.
And just because he is 19 doesn't mean he can't make a decision that doesn't involve his dick being inserted into as many holes as possible. Most people at 19 have jobs, some have apartments with roommates, and are going to college. He should be able to think about ways of discovering more information about his dad's will. Of course maybe he's been fucking everyone as a way to lull them into a false sense of security before he springs his masterful trap!
Probably because, after 19 episodes, the Dev has updates to the latest Renpy which won't run on older machines or older video cards. You will either need to get a new laptop or new video card.
Yeah, I was more giving examples. I don't see Monica as the emailer but she could be the third gold digger. Many felt that they'd be one and the same but obviously are wrong. I also find it unlikely that Monica is the third gold digger considering how much she hated (or says she hated) Don. To me the most logical answer is Bella, Don fucking Elaine's sister in the house he was sharing with her seems far more likely than Monica. But then maybe Elaine was telling the truth about the affair and is intentionally sabotaging the MC's chances of getting anything. We'll have to wait and see.
And just because he is 19 doesn't mean he can't make a decision that doesn't involve his dick being inserted into as many holes as possible. Most people at 19 have jobs, some have apartments with roommates, and are going to college. He should be able to think about ways of discovering more information about his dad's will. Of course maybe he's been fucking everyone as a way to lull them into a false sense of security before he springs his masterful trap!
what did MC do to you? ok he definitely had sex with your favourite, but you have to get over that!!!
MC still has to make the fundamental decision, all the others are honestly subordinate to this one. does he want or doesn't he want to cut the relationship with Monica and family?
If he doesn't take this step, it doesn't make sense for him to waste time continuing to investigate (with bad results) as he has done so far.
Logically the MC could have asked around the area to see if anyone else had security cameras that they would let him look at the footage, he could have even paid them.
True, wasn’t suggesting otherwise but there’s no reason the MC couldn’t have asked for their help. Do they have to help? No. Could they have helped anyway? Yes.
Jenna could have tried hacking someone else too. Obviously they wanted the Jolina fuck party scene to happen, whereas I’d rather not...
You are correct, it may not be the upgrade to renpy but I'm in the same boat - I use a laptop, have played this game since it came out and now I can't get any further. Can open the game and say where I got to in Chapter 19 but when I try starting Chap 20 it just closes down and I'm not in a position to buy a new laptop. :-(
maybe we should hold of on getting him to buy a new PC before we explored other options 
