VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [S1 Rev1] [CheekyGimp]

[ename144]

I think i figured it out. BaDK devs took a hard stance of no haerm. But it paid off. The production value of that game was out of this world. The best of the best. So many paths in the story. Perfect renders and animations.

"Where the heart is" devs thought they'd copy that success due to a myopic understanding of what made that game great. They tried to end it with a similar ending with only one sole interest LI. Clearly it didn't work out so well.

The game should've just went pure harem with its inferior renders, animations and story. It would've been legendary, but instead it ended up as a "meh game".

Sad days, folks. Sad days.

BaDIK is a very different game. It has a lot more gameplay elements and a focus on 'paths' for the main girls that quickly diverge; as early as Episode 2, dancing with Sage costs you a chance to see Maya's family pictures. WtHI keeps the focus more on the girls themselves, with the secondary focus on the relationships between them. We get lots of opportunities with a large number of girls, but very few of those opportunities are mutually exclusive. Instead the girls themselves will inquire about the MC's other activities and make clear they aren't interested in sharing him (with a few notable exceptions). Eventually we start getting suspicion points as it grows more difficult to keep juggling the numerous relationships in secret.

Both games give numerous indications that we can't have all the girls, it's just that BaDIK reinforces that message mechanically with mutually exclusive options early on. Personally, I think WtHI would have benefited from something similar to make it clear that we follow multiple girls at our own peril. Arguably that would have interfered with this game's more 'sandbox' approach to the girls, but it might have saved us some headaches now.

Either way, this game wasn't going to have a classic harem setup any more that BaDIK was, and I personally am grateful for that. To me, harems aren't interesting unless they play very differently than romancing the various girls individually, which required an inordinate amount of effort to write.

 

[gambit87]

I would like to know if there is a chance at some point in the game to impregnate all or some female characters?

 

[milos1fan]

There have been constant warnings that the girls wouldn't share.

Katie was only willing to share with the girls but jealousy still gets involved. None of the older women are willing at all.

It's not like it was sprung on you, you've had warnings. None of it was a surprise.

This is as laughable as those complaining about Becoming a Rockstar having all the LI's dump the MC if he was dating them all, they also gave you plenty of warning they wouldn't share.

It's like some of you ignore everything you get told and make up your own narrative.

Why does the Mc in that game look like a Guatemalan?

 

[milos1fan]

Natasha seemed dead set on being with the mc. Most people would just directly go for their revenge after what went down at her party. Is she pregnant?

 

[wolfpackjac3]

I think i figured it out. BaDK devs took a hard stance of no haerm. But it paid off. The production value of that game was out of this world. The best of the best. So many paths in the story. Perfect renders and animations.

"Where the heart is" devs thought they'd copy that success due to a myopic understanding of what made that game great. They tried to end it with a similar ending with only one sole interest LI. Clearly it didn't work out so well.

The game should've just went pure harem with its inferior renders, animations and story. It would've been legendary, but instead it ended up as a "meh game".

Sad days, folks. Sad days.

The dev Dr Pinkcake received a ton of backlash for that decision. He didn't just not allow harem, he killed off a character based on user choice and put another in the loony bin. He is still the best dev around no question, but I don't think that decision is seen as the reason. Dev's still have the right to do what they want, just like supporters have the right to complain or commend.

 

[charlesrich]

They sort of hinted at it with Lily. Then you and her have a scene and you can finish in her, which makes me think that is an option.

 

[RoadWulf]

The Mc doesn't get any Aha Moments yet. he is a silver tongue devil great with the words and we can help with the girls we don't want or how we want to respond but he needs to get smart really soon. and start seeing what we see or at least think about it some

He loses the ability to think when there are boobs in the room.

So it is impossible for something to exist unless it was specifically detailed by the Dev in the first paragraph. I call BS. There is nothing that precludes this concept at all. The beach party uh just spitballing but, MC told security that three super hot girls were coming to his house. Did we need to know that, at that point in time, for the story to be believable? Nope. Further, depending on your choices with Bella you may have elected to give her the option of living with you at the Beach house if Elaine tosses her. The MC could easily add her to the access list. The same with Jolina. Since Elaine has a house he can restrict her access based on she has no need.

Both Elaine and Bella had been there many times PRIOR to the MC having it as his house. Therefore a standing guest list would likely exist (as many security companies do). Once MC is owner he adjusts/eliminates the list and puts it on a case by case basis. None of this is difficult and is real.

The problem here is that Bella gets on the property without any problems, regardless of whether you've offered for her to come to stay in the past or not. In fact if you've gone out of your way to blow her off entirely, she still shows up. She still gets through. So even if he was setting up on a case by case basis, that wouldn't have been the case here. Also, with Elaine, she has been there with him after he had taken ownership as well, just like Bella. So if security is letting Bella through without clearance, they should have had no reason to stop Elaine either.

It's a plot hole.

 

[D9074]

The genesis of the conversation was Avaron1974 said...

... in response to someone stating they always wondered why harem content wasn't standard to games so that people could witness all the hard work a developer puts into a game instead of a limited amount, and in the original non edited version of the post, Avaron ended the post by saying and i quote "If you want porn fuck off to pornhub." which has since been edited out by a moderator.

So that is how the conversation started that was the whole point of me getting into the conversation was to challenge the notion that harem = kinetic novel and their rude conduct towards other people. when i did challenge this non sensical position Avaron went on and on when they though harem should or shouldn't be added to the game. Which had fuck all to do with my post. And completely ignored there hostile attack on someone's likes.

You jumped into the conversation and then claim I took things out of context. Okay fair enough but I just assumed you took your position because you knew Avaron made that claim and your were adding support to said claim by your expressing of your feelings toward harem and choice. I could not take your position any other way then I did because the whole point of the conversation you joined was a challenge to the claim Harem = kinetic novel. And you didn't make any caveats with regards to your position and the original premise that Avaron1974 made.

This is text so this likely sounds like i am annoyed or belittling you, neither is true. I can assume now that you had no idea that you were joining a conversation that took the hardline stance that harem = kinetic novel but as you can see from the quote that was exactly what avaron was claiming so i assumed anyone joining the conversation with a similar position to avaron shared their position unless they directly stated otherwise and that is why i responded the way i did.

unless i quoted or replied to you i was speaking in general, i wasnt talking about the kinectic novel thing at all, thats someone elses opinion not mine lol. I dont think if you like harem or want harem you should just play a KN, said multiple times that some games i like as a harem, this game i think works best as it is.

 

[Olsens.M]

So I have been going over everything in my head and it makes complete sense to me that Bella is the gold digger and has been playing the MC against Elaine from the start.

however I had a thought what if Elaine didn’t send the emails and it was actually Bella dressed up to look like Elaine. We only have Jo’s word it was Elaine.

My other theory is that it was Elaine but she was convinced to not only send the emails but from the coffee shop instead of using her home computer by Bella.

The CCTV videos shows bella. It is not only about Jolina confirming it. At least from what we saw on CCTV video it was Elaine who went to that coffee shop as well.

 

[Olsens.M]

I made a new gameplay where Lily still wants my mc despite the fact he likes katie, in a hope that katie will accept a relationship with the 2 of them. The same happens with jenna. Monica even thinks that our mc is fucking her daughters but tells him she doesn't want anything happened inside the house, but outside, they are all adults and can do whatever they want. even though you can choose, so far I can still keep some relationships going. Like Jenna, Katie, Bella, Debby, Lily, Elaine. I chose to break up with theresa, and I chose to break up with Jolina. I also still am with both - Angel and Wanda.

So far I have all the girls I want yet, just kicked the ones I didn't want in the first place.

 

[_Utakata_]

My favourite part in the game is laughing at roger micro penis

 

[Kukipett]

Hey everyone, I was wondering, is there any way to fuck Jolina in this new episode? Because no matter what is my relationship with Bella, she always appears at the MC house that night at the final escene

Bella appears as it is certainly a very important choice scene for the end game. This update was mostly a spring cleaning one, not the occasion to fuck around with every girl.

 

[Kukipett]

The CCTV videos shows bella. It is not only about Jolina confirming it. At least from what we saw on CCTV video it was Elaine who went to that coffee shop as well.

What is a bit intriguing is the way Jolina reacts when you show her the picture of Elaine, she seems surprised, then hesitates, then confirm it was her. When it happened i was almost sure that she lied to me but why!!?? Like she was thinking about how to answer the right way.
If someone else would make Elaine look like the mailer, he/she could just invite Elaine to that coffe shop that day, so she would be on the CCTV and then later send the mail, maybe Jolina did it herself to help someone.

 

[FMWildhy]

If Bella ends up not having anything to do with the 3rd heir, either the devs are geniuses or they fucked up.

 

[Olsens.M]

What is a bit intriguing is the way Jolina reacts when you show her the picture of Elaine, she seems surprised, then hesitates, then confirm it was her. When it happened i was almost sure that she lied to me but why!!?? Like she was thinking about how to answer the right way.
If someone else would make Elaine look like the mailer, he/she could just invite Elaine to that coffe shop that day, so she would be on the CCTV and then later send the mail, maybe Jolina did it herself to help someone.

well I will not create theories, I will only talk about what I have seen so far in the game. Create theories I leave it to the dev writer .
I wont speculate about what wasn't written yet and so far, everything shows as Elaine doing it, if there is more to it, Jolina helping someone, or someone else entering the caffee we will see it later on. I know that she confirmed Elaine was there and used the computers and she seemed not having many clues about it.

 

[snakeplisskin]

What is a bit intriguing is the way Jolina reacts when you show her the picture of Elaine, she seems surprised, then hesitates, then confirm it was her. When it happened i was almost sure that she lied to me but why!!?? Like she was thinking about how to answer the right way.
If someone else would make Elaine look like the mailer, he/she could just invite Elaine to that coffe shop that day, so she would be on the CCTV and then later send the mail, maybe Jolina did it herself to help someone.

I got the feeling Jo was lying to.us as well. Also i may be wrong but didn't she say when we first asked her that the person came asked to use the computers then left with barely any interaction.

Where as now that she says it was Elaine she not only showed her where they were but also had to help Elaine use them.

The whole thing is suspicious.

 

[charlesrich]

Jo is the 3rd and her quest is to start a company and sucker the MC to blow money on her to show the dad he is a wuss. Then she gets the beach house

 

[Avaron1974]

Jo is the 3rd and her quest is to start a company and sucker the MC to blow money on her to show the dad he is a wuss. Then she gets the beach house

Wouldn't work.

She's leaving town and you have the option to let her go, if she was the third she'd be sticking around.

Essentially you can remove her from the game this update so it's pretty much impossible for her to be the third.

 

[Astrosurf]

Anybody knows how to make Lily accept a 4-way relationship in ep. 22? It seems that if MC is in a relationship with Katie she will make him choose only one of them, but she would accept a "throuple" with Debbie if MC is only friends with Katie. As in ep. 20, morning after the foursome, you're practically forced to choose between being a relationship with Katie or breaking up forever with the three of them, if you choose the former then Debbie and Lily slowly start to walk away from the MC (the latter obviously is a no go). While if you're only friends with Katie before the beach house night with the three chicks, then you can do a threesome with D&L and the "throuple" option becomes available in the future, which of course excludes Katie and thus no "fourouple".

However, when playing mode "start any episode", if you select "girlfriend" for Katie and Lily and "romancing" for Debbie (can't gf her yet), plus adding that MC did a foursome with them in ep. 19 when the game asks you, then Lily will accept being a "fourouple" with MC and her two friends (see attachment). Nevertheless, for me at least, this happens only in the "start any episode" mode. When playing the real thing, I can't reach this situation. Does anybody know how to get Lily accept the "fourouple"?

 

[Avaron1974]

Anybody knows how to make Lily accept a 4-way relationship in ep. 22? It seems that if MC is in a relationship with Katie she will make him choose only one of them, but she would accept a "throuple" with Debbie if MC is only friends with Katie. As in ep. 20, morning after the foursome, you're practically forced to choose between being a relationship with Katie or breaking up forever with the three of them, if you choose the former then Debbie and Lily slowly start to walk away from the MC (the latter obviously is a no go). While if you're only friends with Katie before the beach house night with the three chicks, then you can do a threesome with D&L and the "throuple" option becomes available in the future, which of course excludes Katie and thus no "fourouple".

However, when playing mode "start any episode", if you select "girlfriend" for Katie and Lily and "romancing" for Debbie (can't gf her yet), plus adding that MC did a foursome with them in ep. 19 when the game asks you, then Lily will accept being a "fourouple" with MC and her two friends (see attachment). Nevertheless, for me at least, this happens only in the "start any episode" mode. When playing the real thing, I can't reach this situation. Does anybody know how to get Lily accept the "fourouple"?

You can't.

Katie is okay sharing but not full time, Lily isn't up for sharing at all.

If Lily is your main then she wants a serious relationship. Basically if you want her then she wants full committment.