VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [S1 Rev1] [CheekyGimp]

[felicemastronzo]

I think I've seen almost all the content of the chapter (I think I'm just missing some dialogue related to particular situations) so I can give my unsolicited judgment.

I'll start with the things I didn't like, which are highly subjective:
- the chapter seemed short to me, shorter than the previous one to say, but I think the main reason is that I found it more a "technical" chapter than a narrative one, with many important junctures highlighted and several service explanations.
- i have a problem with the episodic narrative, especially on this medium. two chapters ago we found out that Elaine was at Jolina's cafe, two chapters later we know nothing more about it. i know we're really talking about a few days in game time, but to me apnea can last for a couple of minutes not a couple of months

now the things I liked:
-Lily, her segment is great (apart from a clarification that I'll ask later), the fact that it opens to a possible polyamorous relationship with Debbie a surprise now unexpected, we'll see how it goes on
- I also really liked the segment with Natasha, it's right that revenge porn is punished in some way, here too a lot of curiosity, at the end Katie and the girls already know, so I don't think there will be terrible consequences as long as we don't go to blackmail, but to be an interesting subplot.
- the real bombshell of the chapter however remains the glimpse of a Jenna sharing MC with Katie, we are on the side of a possiiblity in a million, but at least there is one!!!!!! really unexpected
- I also really liked the segment with Zarah, in general I think it's with the secondary characters that this game really gives its best, Zarah is a very secondary character and by far the least attractive, except for special kinks, but in my opinion he is divinely written, he really has a soul, really good.

now the things that i am not clear about:
-Lily complains that we neglected her, now it doesn't seem to me that there were occasions when I could call her and I didn't, am I forgetting something? because if it was the developers who forced me to neglect her I'm starting to get nervous... let's not play games
- the two girls at the beach house: how much of a trap are they going to be? in the end I decided to host them even if not related to them. Jolina has basically helped MC twice, I can't turn my back on her for suspicions, even Bella has theoretically only helped MC, with her the suspicions are beyond the wooden horse left at the gates of a city.., but you can't leave her on the street.... I hope I don't regret it.
- the final reading of the contract with the fund will be in a couple of weeks, which could correspond to 3-4 chapters, in my opinion there is a real risk that it will be practically the closing of the game... what do you think?

 

[MrFriendly]

- the final reading of the contract with the fund will be in a couple of weeks, which could correspond to 3-4 chapters, in my opinion there is a real risk that it will be practically the closing of the game... what do you think?

This has always been a concern for me. I hope that the game won't end with the final will reading, a quick confrontation/conversation, and then roll credits. I would like to see the game have a full update or two of aftermath, the shit hitting the proverbial fan as he now needs to deal with all of his playing around, the scheming of others, his scheming, and whatever decision he ended up making. To me the story needs that extra time for the MC to deal with everything and everyone. Will have to wait and see what happens.

 

[acewinz]

This has always been a concern for me. I hope that the game won't end with the final will reading, a quick confrontation/conversation, and then roll credits. I would like to see the game have a full update or two of aftermath, the shit hitting the proverbial fan as he now needs to deal with all of his playing around, the scheming of others, his scheming, and whatever decision he ended up making. To me the story needs that extra time for the MC to deal with everything and everyone. Will have to wait and see what happens.

No need to worry about that. The will reading will not be the end of the game. I figure we'll have to have at least one or two regular updates for the MC to properly react to how things hash out there. And then the epilogues for all the characters and the mc of course.

 

[Ghostload]

Which episode will Dizzy be revealed in?

If the reading is in two weeks ("game time") then a time jump would probably make sense.

I honestly can't see this stretching out for 14 more episodes unless there's more drama to uncover.

 

[Machete]

Which episode will Dizzy be revealed in?

About at chapter 34 if i recall it correctly. After a 6 chapters stroll around downtown with Monica.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Which episode will Dizzy be revealed in?

If the reading is in two weeks ("game time") then a time jump would probably make sense.

I honestly can't see this stretching out for 14 more episodes unless there's more drama to uncover.

Shhh, Dad's not dead. This was all a ruse to try and avoid the IRS and RICO charges. There will be at least 2 updates of courtroom drama and then the required Women's prison scenes as well as Dad being introduced to his cellmate (emphasis on mate).

 

[Avaron1974]

Which episode will Dizzy be revealed in?

If the reading is in two weeks ("game time") then a time jump would probably make sense.

I honestly can't see this stretching out for 14 more episodes unless there's more drama to uncover.

Last time they talked episodes there were around 25 planned with maybe more depending on what needs wrapping up.

There certainly isn't 14 more to go.

 

[ename144]

As soon as you tell the lawyer you are giving the house to Elaine, it's hers. There is no changing that, it's in black and white and legally binding.

The decision may be set in stone, but that doesn't mean Elaine actually knows about it yet. The paperwork went to Greg rather than Elaine, and paperwork is rarely noted for its expediency. Admittedly, we could have tried harder to contact her ourselves despite her lack of cell phone, but <something something millennials>.

 

[BeingADikDik]

Last time they talked episodes there were around 25 planned with maybe more depending on what needs wrapping up.

There certainly isn't 14 more to go.

You underestimate the number of episodes needed to argue the price of wine and coffee shop business models.

 

[LionHeart 95]

I think I've seen almost all the content of the chapter (I think I'm just missing some dialogue related to particular situations) so I can give my unsolicited judgment.

I'll start with the things I didn't like, which are highly subjective:
- the chapter seemed short to me, shorter than the previous one to say, but I think the main reason is that I found it more a "technical" chapter than a narrative one, with many important junctures highlighted and several service explanations.
- i have a problem with the episodic narrative, especially on this medium. two chapters ago we found out that Elaine was at Jolina's cafe, two chapters later we know nothing more about it.
i know we're really talking about a few days in game time, but to me apnea can last for a couple of minutes not a couple of months

now the things I liked:
-Lily, her segment is great (apart from a clarification that I'll ask later), the fact that it opens to a possible polyamorous relationship with Debbie a surprise now unexpected, we'll see how it goes on
- I also really liked the segment with Natasha, it's right that revenge porn is punished in some way, here too a lot of curiosity, at the end Katie and the girls already know, so I don't think there will be terrible consequences as long as we don't go to blackmail, but to be an interesting subplot.
- the real bombshell of the chapter however remains the glimpse of a Jenna sharing MC with Katie, we are on the side of a possiiblity in a million, but at least there is one!!!!!! really unexpected
- I also really liked the segment with Zarah, in general I think it's with the secondary characters that this game really gives its best, Zarah is a very secondary character and by far the least attractive, except for special kinks, but in my opinion he is divinely written, he really has a soul, really good.

now the things that i am not clear about:
-Lily complains that we neglected her, now it doesn't seem to me that there were occasions when I could call her and I didn't, am I forgetting something? because if it was the developers who forced me to neglect her I'm starting to get nervous... let's not play games
- the two girls at the beach house: how much of a trap are they going to be? in the end I decided to host them even if not related to them. Jolina has basically helped MC twice, I can't turn my back on her for suspicions, even Bella has theoretically only helped MC, with her the suspicions are beyond the wooden horse left at the gates of a city.., but you can't leave her on the street.... I hope I don't regret it.
- the final reading of the contract with the fund will be in a couple of weeks, which could correspond to 3-4 chapters, in my opinion there is a real risk that it will be practically the closing of the game... what do you think?

Not sure, we can say it a fact Elaine was at Jo's café at this time, since the pic was distorted and Elaine does deny she was there. Was it faked? Sure Jolina says that is her but Is she working with Bella?

 

[felicemastronzo]

Not sure, we can say it a fact Elaine was at Jo's café at this time, since the pic was distorted and Elaine does deny she was there. Was it faked? Sure Jolina says that is her but Is she working with Bella?

too complicated. we don't know if Elaine went there for the email, but that she has been there before is extremely likely, on two occasions she refuses to go there with MC.

the fact that Elaine denies it, then what would be the value of that? there are many lies in the story.

 

[LionHeart 95]

too complicated. we don't know if Elaine went there for the email, but that she has been there before is extremely likely, on two occasions she refuses to go there with MC.

the fact that Elaine denies it, then what would be the value of that? there are many lies in the story.

Facts:
Jo has been to Elaine's recently after Jenna second visit to coffee shop because laptop pic proves it.
The coffee shop is out of her way, there is a closer shop to her house. Question was asked while giving Elaine a ride.
Bella and Jo are or were in a relationship together fact reviled ep 22 beach house Bella and Jo both use personalized pet names for each other.
Jo provided the pic. Jo is a computer hacker fact she reviled to Mc.
Mc remembers father saying to Elaine he would give her the house. Its all she wanted Elaine has her own money which put the groceries on the table.
Jo shock when Mc showed Elaine's pic to her was her seeing Bella in the pic "whos the other girl" because she knew it was Bella

This works because Donald has them pitted Elaine and Bella against each other. with their conditions I bet.

I'm not convinced Elaine is in love with Mc but I believe she does care for him truly more as mom than a Li, not a fact but we can be persuaded by the Game pic of Elaine wearing Mc's school colors.

outside of kicking Mc out of the house, and not wanting to visit jo's coffee shop where has Elaine rejected or hurt Mc?
don't say throwing away cloths. after guard shack incidence we cant prove That Elaine was going to through them out

it was Bella that said she did that early. Elaine would have had someone else do it.

Bella: I'm sorry, I didn't want to cause trouble. I have some of your stuff here. I noticed that Elaine had put it in the trash, "I felt bad for you, so I wanted to drop it off here, rather than let Elaine dump it."

Mc: She dumped it already? I was going to collect it tomorrow. What a fucking bitch eh bad thing to do! I cannot believe she'd do that!"

Elaine not looking like the bad one to me.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Facts:
Jo has been to Elaine's recently after Jenna second visit to coffee shop because laptop pic proves it.
The coffee shop is out of her way, there is a closer shop to her house. Question was asked while giving Elaine a ride.
Bella and Jo are or were in a relationship together fact reviled ep 22 beach house Bella and Jo both use personalized pet names for each other.
Jo provided the pic. Jo is a computer hacker fact she reviled to Mc.
Mc remembers father saying to Elaine he would give her the house. Its all she wanted Elaine has her own money which put the groceries on the table.
Jo shock when Mc showed Elaine's pic to her was her seeing Bella in the pic "whos the other girl" because she knew it was Bella

This works because Donald has them pitted Elaine and Bella against each other. with their conditions I bet.

I'm not convinced Elaine is in love with Mc but I believe she does care for him truly more as mom than a Li, not a fact but we can be persuaded by the Game pic of Elaine wearing Mc's school colors.

outside of kicking Mc out of the house, and not wanting to visit jo's coffee shop where has Elaine rejected or hurt Mc?
don't say throwing away cloths. after guard shack incidence we cant prove That Elaine was going to through them out

it was Bella that said she did that early. Elaine would have had someone else do it.

Bella: I'm sorry, I didn't want to cause trouble. I have some of your stuff here. I noticed that Elaine had put it in the trash, "I felt bad for you, so I wanted to drop it off here, rather than let Elaine dump it."

Mc: She dumped it already? I was going to collect it tomorrow. What a fucking bitch eh bad thing to do! I cannot believe she'd do that!"

Elaine not looking like the bad one to me.

I'm sorry, but I don't see many facts among your respectable theories.

Jo is not a hacker, she might be, but the only fact is that she has a minimum of computer mastery (after all she runs an internet cafe, Jenna is a hacker and has proven it). but then that would also be quite irrelevant to edit a movie you don't have to be a hacker

the picture of Jolina in the kitchen of Donald's house could mean anything and nothing, she could be the second golddigger, she could be Bella's lover or something else

while the fact that Elaine has twice wanted to avoid meeting Jolina in front of MC is certainly a fact, if she didn't already know her why would she want to avoid her?

I didn't focus on Elaine's "evilness" (even if in the last chapter the developers, through Bella's mouth, have disassembled one of my main arguments in her defense, the email would not have been sent to all her contacts, but first to Monica and only after to the others... at least according to Bella's belief) but simply on the fact that she has actually been to Jolina's cafe, and to do what is not known

if Jolina had simply wanted to direct MC's suspicions on Elaine, she would have done it much sooner by recognizing her in the first picture he showed her, in the end MC would have had no difficulty in believing her

coming back to Elaine, to ask an "almost stranger", towards whom she had some faults to be forgiven and not the contrary, to give her a house (which by chance is somehow linked to her inheritance and which by chance a few days later would have ended up in MC's hands) without a real reason seems to me almost as suspicious as any of Bella's ramblings

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

I'm sorry, but I don't see many facts among your respectable theories.

Jo is not a hacker, she might be, but the only fact is that she has a minimum of computer mastery (after all she runs an internet cafe, Jenna is a hacker and has proven it). but then that would also be quite irrelevant to edit a movie you don't have to be a hacker

the picture of Jolina in the kitchen of Donald's house could mean anything and nothing, she could be the second golddigger, she could be Bella's lover or something else

while the fact that Elaine has twice wanted to avoid meeting Jolina in front of MC is certainly a fact, if she didn't already know her why would she want to avoid her?

I didn't focus on Elaine's "evilness" (even if in the last chapter the developers, through Bella's mouth, have disassembled one of my main arguments in her defense, the email would not have been sent to all her contacts, but first to Monica and only after to the others... at least according to Bella's belief) but simply on the fact that she has actually been to Jolina's cafe, and to do what is not known

if Jolina had simply wanted to direct MC's suspicions on Elaine, she would have done it much sooner by recognizing her in the first picture he showed her, in the end MC would have had no difficulty in believing her

coming back to Elaine, to ask an "almost stranger", towards whom she had some faults to be forgiven and not the contrary, to give her a house (which by chance is somehow linked to her inheritance and which by chance a few days later would have ended up in MC's hands) without a real reason seems to me almost as suspicious as any of Bella's ramblings

This discussion raised a brain cell. If JoJo and Hun (Bella) are obviously on friendly terms. And if Elaine had a picture of JoJo at her house. Then is it not reasonable to see that all three are aware of each other. That all three may be in some type of relationship, conspiracy, cabal. Is it not then unlikely one of them is the Dizzy/gold digger? They have too many connections to not be aware of this.

Conversely, it does present a possible "interesting" situation at the beach house if Elaine shows up there. Could there be another foursome in the offing. Just because Elaine does not like to share may mean she likes to dominate.

 

[felicemastronzo]

This discussion raised an brain cell. If JoJo and Hun (Bella) are obviously on friendly terms. And if Elaine had a picture of JoJo at her house. Then is it not reasonable to see that all three are aware of each other. That all three may be in some type of relationship, conspiracy, cabal. Is it not then unlikely one of them is the Dizzy/gold digger? They have too many connections to not be aware of this.

Conversely, it does present a possible "interesting" situation at the beach house if Elaine shows up there. Could there be another foursome in the offing. Just because Elaine does not like to share may mean she like to dominate.

after having had the "almost" threesome with Jenna and Katie I don't put limits on what could happen

me Bella and Elaine seem to me very little affinity between them to bet too much money on it

Jolina has dropped several hints about her interest in girls, so to think that she had some kind of relationship with Bella (who is very uninhibited) is believable

 

[Avaron1974]

Jo is not a hacker, she might be, but the only fact is that she has a minimum of computer mastery (after all she runs an internet cafe, Jenna is a hacker and has proven it). but then that would also be quite irrelevant to edit a movie you don't have to be a hacker

Jo is at least on par with Jenna when it comes to computers.

She does not run an internet cafe, it USED to be an internet cafe and had a couple of computers left over which she showed someone how to use.

There are quite a few hints at her having quite high computer skills up to and including finding Jenna's program and removing it.

Jolina has dropped several hints about her interest in girls, so to think that she had some kind of relationship with Bella (who is very uninhibited) is believable

Not really a hint. She flat out says it in this episode if not on her route, she prefers girls.

Even if she's with the MC her preference is girls she just gave him a chance. It's not unusual for bisexuals to have a preference or for lesbians to dabble.

Debbie isn't interested in men at all but doesn't mind fucking the MC.

Jolina mainly goes for women by her own admission.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Jo is at least on par with Jenna when it comes to computers.

She does not run an internet cafe, it USED to be an internet cafe and had a couple of computers left over which she showed someone how to use.

There are quite a few hints at her having quite high computer skills up to and including finding Jenna's program and removing it.

I don't agree very much

there is a big difference between being able to remotely crack the security of another computer and realizing that someone is doing it to you, they are just on two different levels
we can consider Jolina seriously a hacker only if we consider Jenna so good that to discover her we need a remarkable talent, and at the most we can consider Jenna an amateur talent

but anyway the point was that it is completely superfluous that Jolina is a hacker to prove that the video is fake, you don't need a hacker to do that

 

[Machete]

I don't agree very much

there is a big difference between being able to remotely crack the security of another computer and realizing that someone is doing it to you, they are just on two different levels
we can consider Jolina seriously a hacker only if we consider Jenna so good that to discover her we need a remarkable talent, and at the most we can consider Jenna an amateur talent

but anyway the point was that it is completely superfluous that Jolina is a hacker to prove that the video is fake, you don't need a hacker to do that

Could just be a good deepfake

 

[acewinz]

It's not unusual for bisexuals to have a preference or for lesbians to dabble.

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[Arigon]

Jo is at least on par with Jenna when it comes to computers.

She does not run an internet cafe, it USED to be an internet cafe and had a couple of computers left over which she showed someone how to use.

There are quite a few hints at her having quite high computer skills up to and including finding Jenna's program and removing it.



Not really a hint. She flat out says it in this episode if not on her route, she prefers girls.

Even if she's with the MC her preference is girls she just gave him a chance. It's not unusual for bisexuals to have a preference or for lesbians to dabble.

Debbie isn't interested in men at all but doesn't mind fucking the MC.

Jolina mainly goes for women by her own admission.

I love that you are spreading cheer to those of us who want two ladies to want each other AND want those of us who are male!