DaimonFey

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I think it's possible that Jolina is an unenthusiastic co-conspirator. If you're romancing her, there are several instances where she feels guilty and in her apartment scene in Chapter 20 she almost confesses some secret she's been hiding.

She's probably helping Bella either because she loves her or she's been promised a cut of the inheritance money to save her coffee shop.

Bella is the viper, the puppet master pulling the strings behind the scenes. She never once shows any sort of remorse for playing the MC even if you're romancing her. This is all assuming of course that the gold digger is in fact Bella, which is more likely than not imo.



Remember, the whole purpose of Jolina is to get you to screw over Elaine. She's the one who primes you into thinking that the email sender is some older tech illiterate woman. Then sends you some CCTV footage she happened to find and finally point the finger at Elaine just before you have to make a decision to hand the house over to her or not.

I think Elaine probably never even went to Jo's cafe. The email was sent by Jo at Bella's behest. If you let Bella stay at the BH at the end of Chapter 22, she tells you how Elaine supposedly lifted you contact info from your phone, but she could have done the same thing herself.

She lifts the info from MC's phone and gives it to her tech savvy partner who sends the email to Monica and kickstarts the whole plot.
Yeah that seems possible because that both Jolina and especially Bella are so damn suspicious. I kanda hope that Jo is innocent because I like her. There is also a possibility that neither is guilty because they are just too suspicious and obvious. It would be fun if somebody, lets say Liliy is uber smart evil mastermind behind all of it. Even name Dizzy fits her. Although it's so ulikely and ridiculous that if it turns out to be true my head would literally explode on the spot.
 
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Ok so I started a new playthrough last night (probably my 10th :ROFLMAO:) then went to bed and came back with a fresh perspective on things. My first theory about it being the mom was a bit out there and this theory is no different.


If Elaine didn't clone the mcs phone details like Bella said then it would take some level of hacking to get into someone's emails and who do we all know and love that could do something like that?.......that cheeky little minx Jenna. I think she could easily fabricate digital evidence. There just seems to be something about her connection to jolina. Now i don't think she's doing anything to maliciously hurt the mc but im sure that there are some shenanigans afoot. So maybe Bella and jolina are in cahoots and they recruited the help of Jenna coz of her being an adorable tech savvy cutie. maybe Theresa had got suspicious and sent dogboy who is really a superspy (lol) to check things out coz it seems a bit suspicious that he went after jolina and jenna......unless its all bullshit and he just gets a woody over people who's name starts with a J :unsure:

Again i know the theory is way out there but ive played a lot of games, watched a lot of movies so i kinda always expect a huge WTF twist
 

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surprises me a little that nobody has thrown the name Zarah in the ring yet.
maybe she had had something with MC's dad in the past, maybe she monitored monica for him too.
she also knows the financial situation from monica, the maternal feelings she has for the MC.
katie's insecurity and nerdy jenna with her computer skills she will have known too.
she must have known the other women in MC's dad life too.

there are a few other things to forge a plot out.

I could be completely wrong, but she had enough time to plan everything. :unsure:
 

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surprises me a little that nobody has thrown the name Zarah in the ring yet.
maybe she had had something with MC's dad in the past, maybe she monitored monica for him too.
she also knows the financial situation from monica, the maternal feelings she has for the MC.
katie's insecurity and nerdy jenna with her computer skills she will have known too.
she must have known the other women in MC's dad life too.

there are a few other things to forge a plot out.

I could be completely wrong, but she had enough time to plan everything. :unsure:
I genuinely had some thoughts about zarah, like you said she knows monica and the girls, she does display some maternal feelings towards the mc but depending on the depth of detail the devs put into the characters that could also be associated with the early choice of the mc being into the whole mommy/milf thing, or she could just be affectionate and protective of her boytoy. She does show genuine feelings towards the family, at the start when you about to go to the pool with katie and have the 5 mins alone to get corrupted by zarah she herself wanted to know the intentions of the mc coz she didnt want to see mon or the girls getting hurt. So the original thughts i had about her had pretty much dissipated. So personally I think she just a hungry cougar with lima syndrome :ROFLMAO:
 

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surprises me a little that nobody has thrown the name Zarah in the ring yet.
maybe she had had something with MC's dad in the past, maybe she monitored monica for him too.
she also knows the financial situation from monica, the maternal feelings she has for the MC.
katie's insecurity and nerdy jenna with her computer skills she will have known too.
she must have known the other women in MC's dad life too.

there are a few other things to forge a plot out.

I could be completely wrong, but she had enough time to plan everything. :unsure:
I yhought about it before but then decided it as unlikely. MC's father aside from being seriously f****d in the head was also wery vain so Zarah who was tagged by pepole as granny would be below his interest. Unless he decided to one-up Monica by seducing her best friend. This scenario is also ulikely because if he was interested in how Monica is doing and desired revenge he would know about her money problem. He would simply go to her with offer: you give me your body, I give you money. It is quite possible that Monica concerned with wellbeing and futre of her daughters would accept. That would be ultimate victory over her rather than playing with her friend.
 

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ok, if you look at it that way :unsure:
I still have my doubts about her and don't let her get too close to my MC :cautious:
 

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oh what happened?, did they remove the incest content?
There never was any incest content. There's a mod that rewrites the story that the devs have nothing to do with and is only for those people who are desperate to have incest in every single game even when it doesn't make sense.
 
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There never was any incest content. There's a mod that rewrites the story that the devs have nothing to do with and is only for those people who are desperate to have incest in every single game even when it doesn't make sense.
oh I play it from the first chapters, I think from the first 5, that's why I ask, I remember that at the beginning I had, that's why my doubt
 

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oh I play it from the first chapters, I think from the first 5, that's why I ask, I remember that at the beginning I had, that's why my doubt
Unlike most game that has a patch for incest, this was never intended as a game with incest which is why the patch gets a little weird.

Most games with patch are written as incest from the beginning but the patch is needed to circumvent Patreon's rules.

I'm one of the biggest incest fans on this site and even I don't want this to be incest :)
 

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Unlike most game that has a patch for incest, this was never intended as a game with incest which is why the patch gets a little weird.

Most games with patch are written as incest from the beginning but the patch is needed to circumvent Patreon's rules.

I'm one of the biggest incest fans on this site and even I don't want this to be incest :)
oh maybe I expressed myself wrong I don't speak English, I remember that I had the label of incest that's what I was referring to, because at first it didn't seem strange, but I made a lot of progress and surely for the better, that's why my doubt was the label not the content , sorry for expressing myself badly and thank you for responding so kindly.
 
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oh maybe I expressed myself wrong I don't speak English, I remember that I had the label of incest that's what I was referring to, because at first it didn't seem strange, but I made a lot of progress and surely for the better, that's why my doubt was the label not the content , sorry for expressing myself badly and thank you for responding so kindly.
No worries, you make more sense than many native english speakers around here ;)
 
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Please. Anything but that. Hit me with an obvious reveal, so obvious that a child could have guessed it, I'd take that over having my 'expectations subverted'. I've had enough of that for one lifetime.
Hear hear!

Jolina is the linchpin to the plot, the email was sent from her shop, which started everything. Jo and Bella might be an item, or it might just be a professional relationship, though it's been suggested several times that Jolina has a preference for women. The fortune teller might have also alluded to it, the sister and her blonde lesbian more likely refers to Jo/Bella than Katie/Debbie.

Also, if you're on Jenna's route, there is a scene where you spy on Jo through her webcam and some super detective in this thread figured out that it's from Elaine's kitchen.
I've never been comfortable counting that shot as evidence because it's not clear how to tell the difference between an in-game clue and an out-of-game reuse of an existing kitchen asset. Lily's parents' home is more or less the same as Jolina's apartment, for example, but I'm pretty sure that's a coincidence and not meant to be a plot point. It might be the same with Jolina's kitchen sharing the same assets as Elaine's.

Jolina working with Bella synchs up with the fortune teller, fits the hints at Jo preferring women, and would explain a few oddities in her behavior, but there's no solid evidence linking them otherwise. And it's not clear why Jolina would stay over at Elaine's house if Jo and Bella are conspiring against her (rather than Bella coming over to Jo's apartment), nor why Jolina would set up her laptop on the counter of a house if she was only there for the night.

In short, the image of Jolina in that kitchen can support either possibility depending on our point of view - like most of the evidence about the gold digger. :confused:

Not to mention the fact that Bella and Jo are probably the only LIs who never take no for an answer, for most other women, you get a simple 'not interested' choice and romance is never brought up again. But these 2 girls just keep going after him over and over again. I mean come on, I know the MC is a good looking and smooth talking charmer, but it's still a bit odd, especially for Jo who barely knows the MC.

Lastly, she only brings up leaving town if she is in a relationship with the MC (probably to test how serious he is with her). Otherwise she only asks if he knows any cheap motels in the area and doesn't bring up some supposed job that she has taken on the other side of the country. I am pretty sure Jolina isn't going to disappear from the game even if you don't invite her to the BH.
Eh, I think Jolina will take no for an answer. She's very flirty, but she dials that back significantly if the MC never plays along. She won't even ask the MC for a place to stay unless she's dating him - unlike Bella, who's tried to invite herself to the beach house nearly every time we see her recently.

I agree that Elaine has every right to look out for herself. But it's rather hard to sympathize with her considering how unceremoniously she yeeted the MC, a 19 year old kid who himself had no security, out of HER house. Not only that, but she went above and beyond in being evil and petty towards him, when she told him that even if he has no means of residence and is really struggling, doesn't mean he can return.

Even if it truly was because of her guilt and shame, still doesn't justify her actions. She could have let the MC stay at the Beach house or done 100 other things that didn't involve kicking a barely legal adult out of his own house immediately after his father's passing, without a support system.
Well, that's the thing. If Elaine did spoof the MC's address to send the emails that kicked the game off, then perhaps she was trying to give him a support system? After all, if the only goal was to sabotage the MC's inheritance, she should have sent the email only to Monica. But we know that some of his other friends also got emails allegedly from the MC asking if the MC could stay with them; if the MC had accepted one of those other offers, he might never have reconnected with Monica. So as diabolical plans go, this wasn't a very good one.

Obviously this all speculative, but it could fit with a scenario where Elaine needed the MC out of the house but wanted to make sure he had somewhere to go. Of course the question then would be why would Elaine want the MC out? It seems unlikely she would have known the will terms at the time (and if she did, then she probably knew the MC's terms as well). Perhaps it's as she first said: she was overwhelmed and pushed him away out of habit, but then why bother ensuring he could land on his feet?

Again, there's evidence something is amiss, but it's hard to pin down precisely what's going on.


I think Elaine probably never even went to Jo's cafe. The email was sent by Jo at Bella's behest. If you let Bella stay at the BH at the end of Chapter 22, she tells you how Elaine supposedly lifted you contact info from your phone, but she could have done the same thing herself.

She lifts the info from MC's phone and gives it to her tech savvy partner who sends the email to Monica and kickstarts the whole plot.
Elaine must have gone to the Cafe at some point, otherwise there'd be no footage of her entering it to misuse. I don't think Bella has the resources to mimic Elaine and the cafe well enough to fool the MC. The question is when Elaine went and what she went there to do. As always, both innocent and malicious explanations are plausible. Hopefully that will finally be revealed in Episode 23.
 
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