VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [S1 Rev1] [CheekyGimp]

[Avaron1974]

Additionally, at the ''first'' meeting between Bella and Jo, Bella already gave her nickname ''JoJo''
I feel something that they know each other and they are lovers.

That was confirmed ages ago.

Jenna has a load of pictures and there are pictures of Bella and Jo in the same kitchen. Seems like they were taking pictures of each other.

That and Theresa calling Jo a lesbian. At first seems like the rantings of an insane over religious nutjob but if you get to know Theresa she isn't crazy at all. She knows full well what she's doing and the whole religious thing is an act after getting hurt.

My reckoning is she saw Jo and Bella together.

We know Jo has no problems lezzing it up with what her and Jenna do (one of the hottest scenes in the game might I add).

Makes Jo and Bella mighty sus in my eyes.

Bella has seemed shifty since day 1.

 

[Harlaw]

That was confirmed ages ago.

Jenna has a load of pictures and there are pictures of Bella and Jo in the same kitchen. Seems like they were taking pictures of each other.

That and Theresa calling Jo a lesbian. At first seems like the rantings of an insane over religious nutjob but if you get to know Theresa she isn't crazy at all. She knows full well what she's doing and the whole religious thing is an act after getting hurt.

My reckoning is she saw Jo and Bella together.

We know Jo has no problems lezzing it up with what her and Jenna do (one of the hottest scenes in the game might I add).

Makes Jo and Bella mighty sus in my eyes.

Bella has seemed shifty since day 1.

I think Bella is using Jolina. Maybe they were in a relationship at some point or maybe Bella has just been playing Jolina as well.

When she catches Jenna spying on her laptop, she mentions how she always trusts too easily and in the wrong people, naming Tommy, the MC and another person that she was about to name but doesn't. Bit of a stretch but that could be Bella.

In chapter 20, after the Jenna/Jolina scene, when the MC says 'everybody has their secrets' she looks guilty and was about to confess to something before being interrupted by Jenna.

Similarly, if you are in a relationship with her, she will look upset and ponders for a while before confirming that Elaine was the one who sent the email. If you're not in a relationship, she confirms it without missing a beat.

I think it's either they're together and Bella is manipulating her, like she tries to do to the MC, or she has got something on her or maybe she just promised her a cut of the inheritance to save her cafe.

 

[DaimonFey]

I think Bella is using Jolina. Maybe they were in a relationship at some point or maybe Bella has just been playing Jolina as well.

When she catches Jenna spying on her laptop, she mentions how she always trusts too easily and in the wrong people, naming Tommy, the MC and another person that she was about to name but doesn't. Bit of a stretch but that could be Bella.

In chapter 20, after the Jenna/Jolina scene, when the MC says 'everybody has their secrets' she looks guilty and was about to confess to something before being interrupted by Jenna.

Similarly, if you are in a relationship with her, she will look upset and ponders for a while before confirming that Elaine was the one who sent the email. If you're not in a relationship, she confirms it without missing a beat.

I don't think that Bella is using or forcing Jolina, she might be using Jolina's problems but thats all. Jolina might feel guilty because by helping one friend she is betraying other friend.

maybe she just promised her a cut of the inheritance to save her cafe

Bella indead promised to help with cafe. Jolina mentioned it when she first(at least I think it was then) told MC about her problems.

 

[Harlaw]

I don't think that Bella is using or forcing Jolina, she might be using Jolina's problems but thats all. Jolina might feel guilty because by helping one friend she is betraying other friend.

She only does that if the MC is in a relationship with her, so a platonic friendship isn't enough for her to feel bad about betraying him. It's all just speculation though, but it feels like Jolina is more of an unwilling co conspirator.

Bella indead promised to help with cafe. Jolina mentioned it when she first(at least I think it was then) told MC about her problems.

Jolina mentions Bella by name? Which episode is that? I don't recall a conversation like that, might have to see it again.

 

[Geralt_R]

Fuck the money. If I have a say in it, and I really hope I do, the money and lawyer business is not relevant to me at all.

That's the good thing if you feel like that... all the drama about the Gold Digger is mostly just a curiosity, well, as long as you don't want either Bella or maybe Jo to be the mother of your future children... but even then I feel if the MC always supported them and treat them well they may come around and repent. At least Jo, I still hope she's not really involved and it's all just a red herring.

 

[DaimonFey]

Jolina mentions Bella by name? Which episode is that? I don't recall a conversation like that, might have to see it again.

Of course not. She said friend was going to help her but there are some issues. Jolina would need to be completely retarded to mention this friend's name and we both know that she most certainly isn't.

 

[rambo455]

so i just experienced a problem with the game. i accidentally pressed the V key for self voicing and upon disabling that by pressing V once more the game killed itself and deleted the exe files. anyone else have had this problem ?

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[acewinz]

so i just experienced a problem with the game. i accidentally pressed the V key for self voicing and upon disabling that by pressing V once more the game killed itself and deleted the exe files. anyone else have had this problem ?

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I don't think it is possible that either self-voicing, or anything we could do in renpy code could/would delete the exe file in your game folder. I also have never heard of that happening before in a renpy game.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I think Bella is using Jolina. Maybe they were in a relationship at some point or maybe Bella has just been playing Jolina as well.

When she catches Jenna spying on her laptop, she mentions how she always trusts too easily and in the wrong people, naming Tommy, the MC and another person that she was about to name but doesn't. Bit of a stretch but that could be Bella.

In chapter 20, after the Jenna/Jolina scene, when the MC says 'everybody has their secrets' she looks guilty and was about to confess to something before being interrupted by Jenna.

Similarly, if you are in a relationship with her, she will look upset and ponders for a while before confirming that Elaine was the one who sent the email. If you're not in a relationship, she confirms it without missing a beat.

I think it's either they're together and Bella is manipulating her, like she tries to do to the MC, or she has got something on her or maybe she just promised her a cut of the inheritance to save her cafe.

certainly Bella is more aware of what is going on, as I see Donald's money race from more perspectives, but Jolina innocent is not

remains my prime suspect to be the third heir and Elaine definitely knows her, in fact it is more certain that she knows her and not Bella
in the famous photo Jolina is in Elaine's kitchen (Bella also has access to that kitchen but that doesn't take away from the fact that it is Elaine's kitchen)

 

[rambo455]

I don't think it is possible that either self-voicing, or anything we could do in renpy code could/would delete the exe file in your game folder. I also have never heard of that happening before in a renpy game.

just telling you what i saw happen. i disabled self voicing the game went dead and the exe disappeared.

 

[Harlaw]

certainly Bella is more aware of what is going on, as I see Donald's money race from more perspectives, but Jolina innocent is not

remains my prime suspect to be the third heir and Elaine definitely knows her, in fact it is more certain that she knows her and not Bella

in the famous photo Jolina is in Elaine's kitchen (Bella also has access to that kitchen but that doesn't take away from the fact that it is Elaine's kitchen)

I am not so sure about that, because when you show her Elaine's pic with Donald, she's actually shocked at how fugly Donald was. Now it could just be an act or misdirection, but it seems kinda pointless, she was never under any doubt and her actually bringing this up makes the MC a little bit suspicious of her.

I think she was probably shocked because she knew Bella was in some sort of relationship with Donald, and she didn't expect Bella to go for that kind of guy, probably because she's also involved with Bella. But again it's just another wild speculation.

As for Elaine, it's possible she knows Jo, seeing as how she avoids her cafe life the plague. But she could just as easily know her through Bella.

 

[acewinz]

just telling you what i saw happen. i disabled self voicing the game went dead and the exe disappeared.

Oh, I believe you, and renpy is definitely capable of crashing for any number of reasons, but I have never heard of it causing an exe to delete. Even if it happened to me I'd just figure I accidently hit the delete key while the exe was selected or that my anti-virus pulled some false positive shenanigans. Did it happen to end up in your recycling bin?

 

[rambo455]

Oh, I believe you, and renpy is definitely capable of crashing for any number of reasons, but I have never heard of it causing an exe to delete. Even if it happened to me I'd just figure I accidently hit the delete key while the exe was selected or that my anti-virus pulled some false positive shenanigans. Did it happen to end up in your recycling bin?

usually i would do the same. but in this case my hands where nowhere near the delete keys and i still have the confirmation popup active to avoid deleting like this. as for my virus scanner. the vault is empty and i did not see it trigger. hence i has a confuse

 

[DaimonFey]

certainly Bella is more aware of what is going on, as I see Donald's money race from more perspectives, but Jolina innocent is not

remains my prime suspect to be the third heir and Elaine definitely knows her, in fact it is more certain that she knows her and not Bella
in the famous photo Jolina is in Elaine's kitchen (Bella also has access to that kitchen but that doesn't take away from the fact that it is Elaine's kitchen)

My first guess was that Elaine was Jolina's friend. Now I think that Jolina is Bella's helper although I never though that Jo is Dizzy.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I am not so sure about that, because when you show her Elaine's pic with Donald, she's actually shocked at how fugly Donald was. Now it could just be an act or misdirection, but it seems kinda pointless, she was never under any doubt and her actually bringing this up makes the MC a little bit suspicious of her.

I think she was probably shocked because she knew Bella was in some sort of relationship with Donald, and she didn't expect Bella to go for that kind of guy, probably because she's also involved with Bella. But again it's just another wild speculation.

As for Elaine, it's possible she knows Jo, seeing as how she avoids her cafe life the plague. But she could just as easily know her through Bella.

that Bella is the third heir makes little sense because of her behavior, she does everything she can to create a rut between MC and Monica and her family, in this way she only makes it easier for Mc to reach her terms, which means less money for her
and since sooner or later Mc will meet the third heiress even "seducing" him becomes a stupid move

then if Bella were the third heir what role would Jolina play? the confused but good-hearted lesbian? a fairly empty role

it is possible that Elaine knows Jo through Bella, but it can also be the other way around; the certainty is that Elaine knows Jo, she absolutely does not want to meet her (which means "for certain" that Jo knows her too)

 

[DaimonFey]

that Bella is the third heir makes little sense because of her behavior, she does everything she can to create a rut between MC and Monica and her family, in this way she only makes it easier for Mc to reach her terms, which means less money for her

I don't remember Bella trying to cause divide between Monica and MC(although I might forgot something) but recently we see all the time Bella trying to cause discord between Elaine and MC

and since sooner or later Mc will meet the third heiress even "seducing" him becomes a stupid move

Unless seducing him is will condition. For example Bella getting pregnant with MC's child.

then if Bella were the third heir what role would Jolina play? the confused but good-hearted lesbian? a fairly empty role

Jolina doesn't need grand role, she might be down on luck friend/lover who needs money very badly.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I don't remember Bella trying to cause divide between Monica and MC(although I might forgot something) but recently we see all the time Bella trying to cause discord between Elaine and MC


Unless seducing him is will condition. For example Bella getting pregnant with MC's child.


Jolina doesn't need grand role, she might be down on luck friend/lover who needs money very badly.

Bella is the first to mention how Monica had hit on Donald, prompting him to ask Elaine about it, and then constantly tries to come between mc and katie

Seducing mc would not represent any effort for Bella, it would not be an adequate condition

 

[Machete]

Oh, I believe you, and renpy is definitely capable of crashing for any number of reasons, but I have never heard of it causing an exe to delete.

Well, it's been more then 10 years since i quitted being a programmer myself but deleting a file from an operative system is not something that you can do by accident via a sort of bug. It takes a very deliberate system call to act on a file system. Probably, according with the kind of programming language you are using, you need to actively include certain libraries or objects.

Another story might be a save file that gets overwritten so insanely bad that it end up corrupted beyond recovery but it also a veeeery far stretch. It would more easely just end up in a file that your program is no longer able to read productively.

If the exe just puffed out of existance i would bet more on a quaranteen from an antivirus, probably out of a false positive or even some problem with the disk or its file system.

Or the user accidentally deleted it or dragged it in another folder.

 

[Harlaw]

Bella is the first to mention how Monica had hit on Donald, prompting him to ask Elaine about it, and then constantly tries to come between mc and katie

Right, but she also makes sure to tell you to ask Elaine yourself first. So at the end of the day you either believe Elaine or Monica. Bella cleverly sidesteps out of any responsibility despite planting the idea in your head. Naturally she'd assumed that the MC would take Monica's word over Elaine, and why on Earth would he not believe Monica over Elaine and his asshole dad.

Also, when you take her to lunch at the French place she asks how it is to reunite with Monica and her daughters after so long, if you tell her it's incredible, she gains love points. But on the other hand, if you tell her that there is some nostalgia but not enough to warrant ...... (sacrificing the money), she takes a big opinion hit.

And I know it's a bit cheap to draw conclusions from the stat page, but the devs decided to give us God's eye, so might as well make use of that.

As for disliking Katie, it could just be because of first impression, and who could blame her for that. Or it could be because of competition. A romanced Katie mentions that Bella looks at the MC the same way she looks at him.

Seducing mc would not represent any effort for Bella, it would not be an adequate condition

Yeah, I don't think that's her condition. Simply because a guy like Donald probably wouldn't want 'his woman' to be with anyone even after his death, especially with his own son.

I think she does that partly because she is genuinely interested in him and partly to ingratiate herself with the MC, so she'll have an easier time poisoning his attitude towards Elaine.

If she knocks out Elaine, she increases her share by 50% assuming of course that she fulfills her condition.

Now, even if the MC learns that she is the GD at the will reading, what the hell can he even do about that? Either he takes the money and run, in which case she still gets 7+ million, or he stays and she gets everything.

 

[Geralt_R]

Jolina doesn't need grand role, she might be down on luck friend/lover who needs money very badly.

What could the motivation be though?

a) Dizzy's victory condition hinges on the MC leaving Monica and family or not
b) the victory condition is more about romance, maybe to be in a relationship with the MC or to get pregnant (which also means MC will almost certainly leave Monica and family and get money) - if Bella is Dizzy this scenario seems a bit more likely, i.e. she only gets money if MC is with her and leaves Monica et al. and maybe Donald wanted to create extra incentive for MC to leave Monica and family by having Bella throw herself at him (could be his twisted way of making sure his son does get the money)

What role does that leave for Jolina?

Scenario a) MC has to leave Monica (even if that means Dizzy has to share money with him, but as mentioned maybe asshole Donald wanted to make double sure the MC is not with Monica and family and gets the money)
Jolina romancing the MC makes sense, but why would she be so abrasive and downright hostile at first when he first asks her out? That could have seriously discouraged him. She would be a lot more welcoming of the idea, she would fawn over him. And why would she involve Jenna with anything? That makes no sense.

Scenario b) MC has to stay with Monica (Dizzy may potentially get all the money)
Jolina would be incredibly stupid to romance the MC, he may leave everyone for her, Bella would also be colossaly stupid to pursue the MC, so it's very likely Dizzy's victory condition hinges on the MC leaving Monica and family or at least to be in some kind of romance/relationship/maybe be pregnant with his child, given how she acts towards the MC

And the Beach House is already confirmed to be 100% the MC's property, no matter what, the lawyer explicitly confirms that the 100k, the car and the Beach House will be the MC's, no matter how things with Monica unfold. So I find it unlikely that Bella's victory condition hinges on the Beach House or the MC letting her stay there. Which would also be a very lame condition, the other two conditions we know about come at a great personal cost. So maybe Donald wanting Dizzy to be the MC's girlfriend / mother of his kids could be that personal cost.

But if it's pregnancy or to be in a romance with Dizzy... Jolina would not help at all, unless Jolina herself is Dizzy, or maybe Donald had a threesome with her and Bella and both are Dizzy. If Bella is Dizzy then what could she gain by her ally (Jolina) romancing the MC? Unless her condition is to simply make sure the MC is not with Monica and family, then having an ally could make sense. But why would Jolina then first shoot the MC down when he asks her out on a date and why would she involve Jenna with sexual activities, maybe encouraging a throuple with MC, Jolina and Jenna?

If Jolina is involved I'd really like to know what her angle is, why she is involved and why she behaved the way she did. I cannot see how her involvement makes any sense here, given her behavior.
Unless Jolina is more out for revenge against Bella (if she's Dizzy) and the two had a falling out (and she knows about the will to begin with, she knows a few things about computers, maybe she hacked Bella). But how would Jo exact her revenge? Helping with the email to Monica makes sense if Bella's condition is to get the MC away from Monica and maybe to be in relationship with him (both works). But what about the romance? Why would Jolina romance the MC? Unless it's genuine of course and she really likes him and as long as Bella is not with MC Bella loses.