VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [S1 Rev1] [CheekyGimp]

[X2Z]

anyone know when we're expecting the next update?

 

[Harlaw]

Elaine throwing MC from his house was indead bad but we know that she is not an eveil person since she went to MC's match when Donald was out of country. Bella on the other side is treacherous slut in serious need of karmic punishment. Wanting money is ok but betraying your family is most certainly not.

Oh I agree, Bella is definitely a bad person, manipulating people and screwing over her own sister. But I can't say that Elaine is much too better, sure she tried to be nice to the MC, but only as long as it didn't jeopardize her access to all the fine things in life that she got by being a psychopath's trophy girlfriend. She knew it was wrong for Donald to treat the MC like that, but she went along with it anyways. Arguably, that makes her more morally culpable than if she simply didn't give af about the MC.

From a neutral perspective, I'd say both sisters are terrible and the money is better off going to an animal charity than either of them. But looking at it from the MC's perspective, Bella was always nice to him and even protected him from Elaine when he was younger, whereas Elaine was always a bitch to him and threw him out on his ass. So I can see why the MC would be partial towards Bella.

 

[boobsrcool]

Bellas got a pussy on her if you know what i mean

 

[DaimonFey]

Oh I agree, Bella is definitely a bad person, manipulating people and screwing over her own sister. But I can't say that Elaine is much too better, sure she tried to be nice to the MC, but only as long as it didn't jeopardize her access to all the fine things in life that she got by being a psychopath's trophy girlfriend. She knew it was wrong for Donald to treat the MC like that, but she went along with it anyways. Arguably, that makes her more morally culpable than if she simply didn't give af about the MC.

From a neutral perspective, I'd say both sisters are terrible and the money is better off going to an animal charity than either of them. But looking at it from the MC's perspective, Bella was always nice to him and even protected him from Elaine when he was younger, whereas Elaine was always a bitch to him and threw him out on his ass. So I can see why the MC would be partial towards Bella.

Since evil is evil then perhaps we should go Witcher style and choose neither?

 

[felicemastronzo]

Oh I agree, Bella is definitely a bad person, manipulating people and screwing over her own sister. But I can't say that Elaine is much too better, sure she tried to be nice to the MC, but only as long as it didn't jeopardize her access to all the fine things in life that she got by being a psychopath's trophy girlfriend. She knew it was wrong for Donald to treat the MC like that, but she went along with it anyways. Arguably, that makes her more morally culpable than if she simply didn't give af about the MC.

From a neutral perspective, I'd say both sisters are terrible and the money is better off going to an animal charity than either of them. But looking at it from the MC's perspective, Bella was always nice to him and even protected him from Elaine when he was younger, whereas Elaine was always a bitch to him and threw him out on his ass. So I can see why the MC would be partial towards Bella.

however, Elaine, except for a generic sense of adult responsibility, has no reason to care about MC (the stereotypical stepmother ignores children from the first marriage)

on the other hand Bella has no reason (that we know of) not to care for her own sister, in theory she makes any sacrifice for her (she quits her job just to be near her...), but then in everyday practice she is her biggest denigrator, ready to spread any suspicion against her

 

[acewinz]

I know, i know, but i really play for immersion, so i felt i had to indulge Monica with her Carnival trip. That's what a functional human being would do in the circumstance

You roleplay a functional human being? That is definitely out there.

 

[Harlaw]

however, Elaine, except for a generic sense of adult responsibility, has no reason to care about MC (the stereotypical stepmother ignores children from the first marriage)

on the other hand Bella has no reason (that we know of) not to care for her own sister, in theory she makes any sacrifice for her (she quits her job just to be near her...), but then in everyday practice she is her biggest denigrator, ready to spread any suspicion against her

It wasn't just that she ignored the MC as a kid, but she went along with a lunatic's bizarre survival of the fittest mindset to 'toughen up' his son by effectively bullying him in his own home. A hostile home environment is probably the worst thing for a child. Also, the trope is called 'Evil Stepmother' and for a good reason. Elaine definitely played that role to a T.

I suppose one could argue that blood connection alone doesn't warrant any special treatment especially if they didn't have a good relation growing up. Not that I want to make any excuses for Bella, she is definitely a terrible person. And her quitting job and moving with Elaine is definitely a maneuver, maybe to keep an eye on Elaine or MC or both.

I know we're supposed to learn Elaine's full story in Chapter 23, but if I had to make a decision right now, I'd take Bella over Elaine easily, and not just because she's much hotter.

 

[felicemastronzo]

It wasn't just that she ignored the MC as a kid, but she went along with a lunatic's bizarre survival of the fittest mindset to 'toughen up' his son by effectively bullying him in his own home. A hostile home environment is probably the worst thing for a child. Also, the trope is called 'Evil Stepmother' and for a good reason. Elaine definitely played that role to a T.

I suppose one could argue that blood connection alone doesn't warrant any special treatment especially if they didn't have a good relation growing up. Not that I want to make any excuses for Bella, she is definitely a terrible person. And her quitting job and moving with Elaine is definitely a maneuver, maybe to keep an eye on Elaine or MC or both.

I know we're supposed to learn Elaine's full story in Chapter 23, but if I had to make a decision right now, I'd take Bella over Elaine easily, and not just because she's much hotter.

I disagree, Elaine would be the evil stepmother if she was the architect of what happens to mc, instead at best she can be blamed for not standing up to it, but why would she do that? Why would she jeopardise her lifestyle for a stranger whose father wanted to raise like that?

You would have wanted her to sacrifice herself for a stranger, that is a heroic act, it cannot be taken for granted

On the other hand, Bella is a highly inconsistent character in her own words, trusting is completely impossible. The point is not that Bella should love Elaine as her sister, but that she herself says so and then slaughters her

 

[InkAndSaliva]

instead at best she can be blamed for not standing up to it, but why would she do that?

An adult living in a household with a child has a responsibility to protect and safeguard that child, full stop. You take on that duty when you become part of their family. Elaine absolutely failed the MC and is complicit in his toxic homelife.

 

[felicemastronzo]

An adult living in a household with a child has a responsibility to protect and safeguard that child, full stop. You take on that duty when you become part of their family. Elaine absolutely failed the MC and is complicit in his toxic homelife.

You make it too easy.
Elaine is not his mother, and is never part of his family, and his biological father wants him to be brought up that way. i.e. without any deprivation or physical abuse, but without cuddling, without any displays of affection.
What exactly was Elaine supposed to do? Cuddle him in order to be put through the door herself, thus leaving mc in precisely the same situation as before?

She objects to Donald's behaviour, at least that's what she says, he resists, at which point she can either accept the situation or leave. Leaving an easy life with the person she loves anyway.

 

[Harlaw]

I disagree, Elaine would be the evil stepmother if she was the architect of what happens to mc, instead at best she can be blamed for not standing up to it, but why would she do that? Why would she jeopardise her lifestyle for a stranger whose father wanted to raise like that?

You would have wanted her to sacrifice herself for a stranger, that is a heroic act, it cannot be taken for granted

On the other hand, Bella is a highly inconsistent character in her own words, trusting is completely impossible. The point is not that Bella should love Elaine as her sister, but that she herself says so and then slaughters her

She might not have been the architect, but she was complicit in the emotional and psychological manipulation of the MC, a soft form of child abuse.

Iirc the MC actually mentions that Bella used to stand up for him against Elaine when she was exceedingly harsh towards him. So it wasn't just that she was distant and aloof towards him, she actually took part in the 'toughening up' process.

So I am sorry, but if you mistreat a child just to maintain your fancy lifestyle, then yes, you are a terrible person.

Bella is two faced, that's kind of her whole character. She's not a good person, that's for sure, but exactly how bad she is will depend on her true motivations and main plan.

 

[BeingADikDik]

Sisters having sex with the same person at the same time is not incest as long as they are not performing sexual acts on each other.

In many countries, it's not considered a sexual act without genital penetration so 'lesbian incest' is not even a thing (same reason why women cannot rape men in those countries). Not that such a rule applies to Patreon censors, but perhaps might allow for an 'ask for forgiveness rather than permission' scenario whereby ignorance is plead, the canon version is 'out there', and subsequently 'corrected'.

 

[boobsrcool]

Since coochie is cooter then perhaps boobsrcool should go sexual style and choose Bella?

If it's what the people want I am okay with it

 

[Ilhares]

Not that such a rule applies to Patreon censors, but perhaps might allow for an 'ask for forgiveness rather than permission' scenario whereby ignorance is plead, the canon version is 'out there', and subsequently 'corrected'.

Except that it can also bite the dev in the ass, just ask Fetish Locator fans. They've got a little problem with the entire game's premise now putting them in the doghouse because it involves blackmail.

I'd hate to see a dev have to go through completely removing/rewriting months of prior work just to try and play nice after getting caught doing something that was against policy in the first place.

 

[Night Hacker]

I know, i know, but i really play for immersion, so i felt i had to indulge Monica with her Carnival trip. That's what a functional human being would do in the circumstance

Yeah, there is no way in hell I would deny her that trip. It takes a cold hearted person to deny her.

 

[Night Hacker]

Sisters having sex with the same person at the same time is not incest as long as they are not performing sexual acts on each other.

Yeah, perhaps that is technically true... who in the hell has sex in the same room, naked with their sibling?! I know I don't want to be in a room, naked with my brother doing the same woman... sorry, but it may not technically be incest, it would be pretty damn close to it.

 

[Ilhares]

Yeah, perhaps that is technically true... who in the hell has sex in the same room, naked with their sibling?! I know I don't want to be in a room, naked with my brother doing the same woman... sorry, but it may not technically be incest, it would be pretty damn close to it.

Agreed, would be a bit odd if my brother were there. On the flipside, my best friend? Shit, if she's not cool with him she's not the right girl for me.

 

[keefer43]

You roleplay a functional human being? That is definitely out there.

Oh, the depravity! kids close your eyes!

 

[felicemastronzo]

She might not have been the architect, but she was complicit in the emotional and psychological manipulation of the MC, a soft form of child abuse.

Iirc the MC actually mentions that Bella used to stand up for him against Elaine when she was exceedingly harsh towards him. So it wasn't just that she was distant and aloof towards him, she actually took part in the 'toughening up' process.

So I am sorry, but if you mistreat a child just to maintain your fancy lifestyle, then yes, you are a terrible person.

Bella is two faced, that's kind of her whole character. She's not a good person, that's for sure, but exactly how bad she is will depend on her true motivations and main plan.

to speak of manipulation seems to me quite exaggerated
manipulation, if anything, is getting deliberately found naked in the shower by an underage boy, which is what Bella does (ok it's a porn game..)

from what I remember Elaine's roughness toward MC was limited to getting him away from herself, no particular mistreatment or maltreatment

let's be clear though: Elaine should have realized that the one with Donald was a toxic relationship for herself before it was for MC, but asking a person in love (and Elaine was in love with Donald, she has a hard time even now badmouthing him and hearing others do it) to realize it is not that simple.

Elaine herself suffers so many limitations in her relationship with Donald, that house was not a paradise for her either

 

[BillyPlums]

I don't understand why everyone is talking about that trollop Bella and that bi-- err... witch Elaine when they could be expounding on the beauteous Monica who is the only one true Love Interest in the game. Really, just kidding guys. They're all hot, but with Monica, you get your home and your heart. All the others can give you is money.