VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [S1 Rev1] [CheekyGimp]

[MrFriendly]

We're supposed to get some discussion with Katie, Lily and Debbie in the aftermath of the much hyped orgy last time. While not sexy in and of itself, it should be a significant milestone in the relationship with any of those three, which I would certainly deem novel and worthwhile.

At least in theory. The fact they felt the need to add sexy bits to the discussion does not fill me with glee, but hopefully that's just a little vanilla icing on a delicious and nutritious... oat cake? I think I sprained my metaphor there, but the point is I do see potential value in the episode even if the sex doesn't pan out. So I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic.

Yeah, I know we're all supposed to be excited that there's more sex but tbh for me there's no excitement to the act anymore in the game. The fact is that once sex happens in a game the act needs to escalate for it to be exciting for me. If the characters stay in the same vanilla space and don't venture outside of that box then it gets a bit stale. It's why I found the sex scene with Monica more interesting than the scene with Katie, Lily, and Debbie. Monica is older and more inclined to being a bit of a "prude" but the MC can get her to allow anal and a face fuck, pushing her outside her comfort zone. That's sexy to me because she's trusting her partner as she becomes more comfortable with him.
The threesome didn't appeal as much because the MC had been with each of the women sexually before that point and watching women have lesbian sex doesn't do it for me. If Debbie and Katie had strapped on dildos and gone to town on Lily with the MC then I'd have been more interested, as it stands I only played the scene once as it was rather typical vanilla + lesbian sex. Not really that captivating at this point in the story since we've seen it all before. I know I am a jaded asshole but with so much sex with all of the characters up to now (except Elaine) adding more feels like filler.

On the mystery, I'm not expecting much. Based on everything we know, it seems like there's only two realistic possibilities: Elaine or Bella. Jolina obviously wouldn't implicate herself even if she were guilty, and she previously had the opportunity to clear Monica and (I believe) Zarah. She'd certainly recognize Theresa (or Jenna), and it would be hard to mistake any of the other girls for middle-aged.

So that leaves Elaine and Bella. Elaine would certainly give us something new to talk over with her, but we already know she's involved. Bella is my guess, because it is at least a legitimately new direction to take the story in. But it won't prove anything by itself, thus ensuring the mystery will continue for at least another episode.

That's my prediction anyway. Hopefully we'll see shortly if I need to turn in my deerstalker hat.

I don't really expect much either. What I want is for the MC to see the footage, go confront the person, and then deal with the aftermath of it all. What we will probably get is post coital conversation with Katie and crew about feelings, some sexy time with Jenna (and possibly Jolina), some more sex with Bella, Wanda, and Angel (not together), maybe some more sex with Jenna and Jolina, then finally sex with Elaine, then the reveal of the footage, queue cliffhanger.

Of course that's my jaded pov of it all, I would love it if Ace, Cheeky, et al prove me wrong.

 

[acewinz]

Yeah, I know we're all supposed to be excited that there's more sex but tbh for me there's no excitement to the act anymore in the game. The fact is that once sex happens in a game the act needs to escalate for it to be exciting for me. If the characters stay in the same vanilla space and don't venture outside of that box then it gets a bit stale. It's why I found the sex scene with Monica more interesting than the scene with Katie, Lily, and Debbie. Monica is older and more inclined to being a bit of a "prude" but the MC can get her to allow anal and a face fuck, pushing her outside her comfort zone. That's sexy to me because she's trusting her partner as she becomes more comfortable with him.
The threesome didn't appeal as much because the MC had been with each of the women sexually before that point and watching women have lesbian sex doesn't do it for me. If Debbie and Katie had strapped on dildos and gone to town on Lily with the MC then I'd have been more interested, as it stands I only played the scene once as it was rather typical vanilla + lesbian sex. Not really that captivating at this point in the story since we've seen it all before. I know I am a jaded asshole but with so much sex with all of the characters up to now (except Elaine) adding more feels like filler.



I don't really expect much either. What I want is for the MC to see the footage, go confront the person, and then deal with the aftermath of it all. What we will probably get is post coital conversation with Katie and crew about feelings, some sexy time with Jenna (and possibly Jolina), some more sex with Bella, Wanda, and Angel (not together), maybe some more sex with Jenna and Jolina, then finally sex with Elaine, then the reveal of the footage, queue cliffhanger.

Of course that's my jaded pov of it all, I would love it if Ace, Cheeky, et al prove me wrong.

I'd say you get about half of what you want, and about half of what you expect, and a few things you don't. Although I think over time you should get more of what you want than not. While WTHI tries to focus on the feelings and situations, we do hamstring ourselves by not making things go from 0 - 100 too quickly. Not to mention going too far in some respects without options to avoid it and you step on toes.

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[kevcolqaz]

It's been 4 months I hope he does a big update worth 2 chapters.

 

[acewinz]

It's been 4 months I hope he does a big update worth 2 chapters.

It's turning out about that way. Will likely be 10k lines of code/dialog. I'm seeing 650ish images so far and I'm too tired to count the number of animations (several of which are still rendering).

 

[imaginatus]

The archive is corrupted

 

[MrFriendly]

I'd say you get about half of what you want, and about half of what you expect, and a few things you don't. Although I think over time you should get more of what you want than not. While WTHI tries to focus on the feelings and situations, we do hamstring ourselves by not making things go from 0 - 100 too quickly. Not to mention going too far in some respects without options to avoid it and you step on toes.

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Well, I'm always happy to get things I don't expect (as long as it isn't a swift kick in the balls). The fact is that WTHI is one of the best games on here to the point where the little issues become bigger because we expect better. If that makes any sense? I agree that Monica took too long, and it was too short a time between first time to getting into kinkier stuff. Though there are some people who go from zero to 60 fairly fast she didn't strike me as that type.

Main issue is too many ladies so you have to split attention and Monica's first time took a back seat to a lot of other action. I know every LI/lady has her fans but if there were 2-3 less then I think there could have been more time with the main ladies. Every side fuck doesn't need to become a primary fuck. And you know I'm just going to spout shit and I don't think you should change a thing, right? I am excited to see what you do with your next game after learning what you have from this one. I would like to see a game with an older protagonist maybe someone who has a successful career but is unhappy and single, someone not college aged but not so fucking old he needs blue pills, something that has more fetishes/kinks, and maybe includes more UI elements like a phone, laptop. But I am going to play whatever you release just wanted to put my wishlist out there. LOL

 

[Deleted member 1571716]

Well, I'm always happy to get things I don't expect (as long as it isn't a swift kick in the balls). The fact is that WTHI is one of the best games on here to the point where the little issues become bigger because we expect better. If that makes any sense? I agree that Monica took too long, and it was too short a time between first time to getting into kinkier stuff. Though there are some people who go from zero to 60 fairly fast she didn't strike me as that type.

Main issue is too many ladies so you have to split attention and Monica's first time took a back seat to a lot of other action. I know every LI/lady has her fans but if there were 2-3 less then I think there could have been more time with the main ladies. Every side fuck doesn't need to become a primary fuck. And you know I'm just going to spout shit and I don't think you should change a thing, right? I am excited to see what you do with your next game after learning what you have from this one. I would like to see a game with an older protagonist maybe someone who has a successful career but is unhappy and single, someone not college aged but not so fucking old he needs blue pills, something that has more fetishes/kinks, and maybe includes more UI elements like a phone, laptop. But I am going to play whatever you release just wanted to put my wishlist out there. LOL

Stop being a man whore for once. Man up and choose one lady per save and then there's no time juggling. So, boo hoo! lol But, your wish list seems a bit awkward. A laptop or a phone and UI elements? Seems like you want to play in a sandbox grind a lot. Ahahaha

 

[MrFriendly]

Stop being a man whore for once. Man up and choose one lady per save and then there's no time juggling. So, boo hoo!. lol But, your wish list seems a bit awkward. A laptop or a phone and UI elements? Seems like you want to play in a sandbox grind a lot. Ahahaha

LOL, I have only two saves. 1) Katie and 2) Monica. However, when I said that there were a lot of women/Love Interests taking time away from Monica it is on the development side not on the player's side.

A laptop/phone/ui elements don't have to be part of a sandbox. Those are where you see them most however there are a number of games that have those and aren't sandbox - Leap of Faith being one.

 

[Deleted member 1571716]

LOL, I have only two saves. 1) Katie and 2) Monica. However, when I said that there were a lot of women/Love Interests taking time away from Monica it is on the development side not on the player's side.

A laptop/phone/ui elements don't have to be part of a sandbox. Those are where you see them most however there are a number of games that have those and aren't sandbox - Leap of Faith being one.

Uh huh. Well, if you chose the RIGHT girls, like Debbie and Wanda(Not a good example here, but, doesn't matter ) then you wouldn't be worried about time with Mon. Heh!

 

[MrFriendly]

Uh huh. Well, if you chose the RIGHT girls, like Debbie and Wanda(Not a good example here, but, doesn't matter ) then you wouldn't be worried about time with Mon. Heh!

You mean the lesbian "except for the MC" and the well used "model"? Wanda and Mabel are both characters I would eliminate so that Katie, Jenna, and Monica received more time. LOL

But as I said I know all the girls have fans, aka people with wrong opinions , so I don't want them to change anything now. Just learn from what they did in this one for when they make the next one. Perhaps have a few less characters and have more redheads.

 

[Deleted member 1571716]

You mean the lesbian "except for the MC" and the well used "model"? Wanda and Mabel are both characters I would eliminate so that Katie, Jenna, and Monica received more time. LOL

But as I said I know all the girls have fans, aka people with wrong opinions , so I don't want them to change anything now. Just learn from what they did in this one for when they make the next one. Perhaps have a few less characters and have more redheads.

She was NEVER a lesbian. She had even dated guys before. She was ALWAYS a Lily-bian. Somewhere along the line, she was changed to be that way. But, not in the beginning.

As for WRONG opinions, I'm the ONLY one who is right.

 

[Ariostebaldo]

I completely agree Elaine can't be trusted. I'm still going to fuck her, but trust her no way.

thrust in her, but don't trust on her

 

[felicemastronzo]

Agreed! I don’t like that either. The fact is the player should be able to avoid her (and any love interest they don’t like) even at the sacrifice of content. Instead, no matter what the player/MC is forced to spend time with certain people who we’d much rather never see again (Elaine). It makes sense that you see Katie, Jenna, and Monica as they live there. Bella, Elaine, and Jolina (I’ve stated my dislike of the Jolina situation enough) should be completely avoidable after the initial meeting.

not to hang out with them would perhaps have been too much, for the question of inheritance we have to deal with them, even if it is as a double game

but, narratively, Bella is presented to us as a friend, someone who in a hostile context had been kind to us, so defending her to Katie is consistent.

But Elaine is presented to us as the cause of all our problems, we can't forgive her the first time we talk to her directly... I repeat that in theory that scene comes after she has thrown away all our things from "her house" (or so Bella tells us). (or so Bella tells us)

there's a clear jump in Mc's attitude which is unjustified, not even if Elaine had welcomed us naked with ready-made vaseline.

This jump ruined, at least for me, the immersion in the story.

However, taking a step forward for the inheritance issue, for me the central point remains the one mentioned before: "did Elaine really throw our stuff away and Bella saved it?".

if it's true, Elaine loses all credibility, otherwise the cross falls on Bella (who along with Jenna has the attitude that makes me most uncomfortable in the game)

 

[duningtwo]

yes, was very sad when i couldn't keep telling elaine to go fuck herself. stranding her in town helped, though. when's the option to visit elaine at her house with katie in tow?

 

[MrFriendly]

not to hang out with them would perhaps have been too much, for the question of inheritance we have to deal with them, even if it is as a double game

I get hanging out with some of them. Bella, Monica and the girls, and some minimal contact with Elaine due to the inheritance only. And we can skip a lot of or all content with Debbie, Lily, Angel, Wanda, and Mabel... Jolina is problematic and I've let my thoughts be known about her so I won't beat the poor dead blonde horse anymore.

but, narratively, Bella is presented to us as a friend, someone who in a hostile context had been kind to us, so defending her to Katie is consistent.

True, but we aren't really told any of that until afterwards. So we are presented with a choice to defend Bella to Katie with little context. It's only later that we find out that Bella was trying to be friendly to the MC because of the shit he was going through. It is also creepy that she has the hots for the MC.

But Elaine is presented to us as the cause of all our problems, we can't forgive her the first time we talk to her directly... I repeat that in theory that scene comes after she has thrown away all our things from "her house" (or so Bella tells us). (or so Bella tells us)

there's a clear jump in Mc's attitude which is unjustified, not even if Elaine had welcomed us naked with ready-made vaseline.

This jump ruined, at least for me, the immersion in the story.

Overall, the MC thinks with his dick first, second, and third. His poor brain is probaby suffering from severe dehydration considering the number of times he has sex.

If he was more rational and less pervy the MC would ask more questions.
Why doesn't he ask Bella and Elaine separately if Elaine really was going to throw his stuff away? Or why doesn't he ask Zarah and everyone else if they knew his dad? What about having a look at his dad's financial records? Shouldn't he have access to those now as the Next of Kin? Shouldn't he be able to circumvent the lawyer and just see where his dad's money went?

However, taking a step forward for the inheritance issue, for me the central point remains the one mentioned before: "did Elaine really throw our stuff away and Bella saved it?".

if it's true, Elaine loses all credibility, otherwise the cross falls on Bella (who along with Jenna has the attitude that makes me most uncomfortable in the game)

Yep, complete agreement.

Elaine is seriously problematic because she is more of an antagonist to me and I don't see how he can just trust her considering she participated in his abuse for ~8 years.

 

[WhiteyG]

Elaine is seriously problematic because she is more of an antagonist to me and I don't see how he can just trust her considering she participated in his abuse for ~8 years.

I was nice to Elaine from the beginning not because I thought the MC should forgive her or any bullshit like that. You keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The only way to get information out of her was to lull her into a false sense of security. Bella is a bit more of a mystery. I don't trust her either because she is either fucking over her sister or helping her screw over the MC. Either way that a clear sign she's not trustworthy. As far as Bella first interaction with the MC she was bringing his stuff over so whether it was going to be thrown away or not still seen as a decent act, but I would never take her side over Katie.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Overall, the MC thinks with his dick first, second, and third. His poor brain is probaby suffering from severe dehydration considering the number of times he has sex.

If he was more rational and less pervy the MC would ask more questions.
Why doesn't he ask Bella and Elaine separately if Elaine really was going to throw his stuff away? Or why doesn't he ask Zarah and everyone else if they knew his dad? What about having a look at his dad's financial records? Shouldn't he have access to those now as the Next of Kin? Shouldn't he be able to circumvent the lawyer and just see where his dad's money went?

Mc is a kid, normal he thinks with his dick (as in instinct). he finds himself an orphan and in the middle of a fight for a millionaire's inheritance against a visible and an invisible enemy, I don't know if I'd be more cold-blooded than him.

he never actually asks Elaine directly. Elaine apologizes for kicking him out but not expressly for that, which is far more serious as the alibi of the instinctual reaction would fall away, it would be a gesture thought out, threatened and finally carried out.

I have two thoughts:
1) I don't think there will be any agatha christie twists, and if I had to make a bet I would say that a generically loyal MC will get his share of the inheritance anyway and that there will be no painful betrayals for the inheritance (Monica to give an example)
2) if we exclude the adoptive family (Monica, the girls and Katie's friends) in my opinion all the other characters don't play fair

 

[MrFriendly]

I was nice to Elaine from the beginning not because I thought the MC should forgive her or any bullshit like that. You keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The only way to get information out of her was to lull her into a false sense of security. Bella is a bit more of a mystery. I don't trust her either because she is either fucking over her sister or helping her screw over the MC. Either way that a clear sign she's not trustworthy. As far as Bella first interaction with the MC she was bringing his stuff over so whether it was going to be thrown away or not still seen as a decent act, but I would never take her side over Katie.

Yeah, those two are really a frustrating situation. I don't want to fuck them but I do want to know what is going on. But then I don't find them trustworthy so I can't really believe what they say. But if I don't believe what they say then why keep them around?

 

[felicemastronzo]

I was nice to Elaine from the beginning not because I thought the MC should forgive her or any bullshit like that. You keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The only way to get information out of her was to lull her into a false sense of security. Bella is a bit more of a mystery. I don't trust her either because she is either fucking over her sister or helping her screw over the MC. Either way that a clear sign she's not trustworthy. As far as Bella first interaction with the MC she was bringing his stuff over so whether it was going to be thrown away or not still seen as a decent act, but I would never take her side over Katie.

perfect, but it should be explicit in the choices

"pretend to forgive her"

"pretend to accept her proposal"


etc..

 

[WhiteyG]

Yeah, those two are really a frustrating situation. I don't want to fuck them but I do want to know what is going on. But then I don't find them trustworthy so I can't really believe what they say. But if I don't believe what they say then why keep them around?

Pussy?
You still get some information and can catch them in a few lies. I'm sure by the end it will all make more sense.

perfect, but it should be explicit in the choices

"pretend to forgive her"

"pretend to accept her proposal"


etc..

Fair point but with the amount of choices already in the game I think the devs heads would explode if we asked for more.