thats the milkiest milk that i have ever read. cancelling the patreon and buying the game on steam when is finished in 4 years more.
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- Apr 26, 2020
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Then you haven't read much.......
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It's only 2 month postponement.
to re start the development then who knows when the ep will finally drop
- Apr 26, 2020
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That doesn't matter to some people.........facts are irrelevant to them.
- Mar 26, 2019
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This sounds utterly reasonable to me; something that started as a hobby project has become an albatross around his neck and he needs to change that.
My solution, and the solution of many people, would be to walk away from it. I have a family that I work hard to keep happy and healthy and, make no mistake, I would drop this like a hot rock if it negatively impacted them.
I think that the majority of people here are reasonable but I'm sure that there are going to be a bunch of armchair quarterbacks that are going to provide free 'advice' to Cheeky and tell him how to manage this project and his life in general. Please - give it a rest. No-one likes delays but equally no-one is going to die if WTHI is delayed.
Maybe, just maybe, we can just skip the whole milking/bad dev/fraud thing and do something more productive, which is literally anything else.
- Oct 23, 2016
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First off, don't get me wrong, I do not think that Cheeky isn't completely honest, it's also not that I don't understand the financial aspects, Cell and Cheeky need money to live, just like we all do. He's not a milker, never will be.
I've just seen this scene played out too many times to have a lot of hope left, after reading this.
2 months, that's how it starts. Then it doesn't work quite as it should, then perhaps their ambitions for the first part of the game grow even bigger, then frustration sets in, because in the end you are not doing anything new, just retreading what you already did, throw in some unforeseen complications and then the burnout comes inevitably, and the project is first further and further delayed, then abandoned.
And even if everything works out perfectly, how would 2 months be enough to rework 10 fucking episodes? That's never gonna cut it.
No, this game is very likely done for, and it breaks my heart. Cheeky was so smart for so long, not to fall into the trap of reworking your game before finishing it, something that has led to dozens of games being abandoned.
I cannot think of a single game that had major reworks of the earlier parts and has actually been finished.
Yes, some games might still go there, Timestamps for example might actually be able to finish despite reworking part 1 for the steam release (in this case part one was actually already finished, they didn't go back, mid-work and started it all over again), but even then that would be like one game against 40-50 games that either stopped development completely after starting a rework/remake/overhaul or where the dev got caught in the trap of going back to rework the rework or suddenly finding that if the first part gets a re-work, the rest needs one as well, which will most likely also lead to a burnout and then abandonment.
Fuck! And the finish line was in fucking sight. Two more fucking chapters, and it would have been done. Then Ace leaves and now this.
I hate this so much, I can't believe this is happening.
i hope he can release single episode rather then whole 10 episode at once and the rework having different scenes would be nice too
- Apr 17, 2020
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I knew something was bad from all the delays in the past...Seem like he read the book of the western porn developer.
Delay, Excuse, Censor critic, Burn out, Remake when almost done.
These are the ingredient of a western porn dev
Only on wester porn games do you see projects that take 5+ to complete a visual novel-type game.
To give an example.. one man made stardew valley in 4 years
And you can look up other indie games' development time you will be surprised...and most of them did not have Patreon backers to help them live the good life
Milking is the disease that all of them suffer.
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Delay, Excuse, Censor critic, Burn out, Remake when almost done.
These are the ingredient of a western porn dev
Only on wester porn games do you see projects that take 5+ to complete a visual novel-type game.
To give an example.. one man made stardew valley in 4 years
And you can look up other indie games' development time you will be surprised...and most of them did not have Patreon backers to help them live the good life
Milking is the disease that all of them suffer.
Begger of the net approves your decision
CheekyGimp
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I struggling to understand this negativity - he's released 23 episodes in roughly 5 years. That's better than a release per quarter and that sure doesn't look like 'milking' to me.
I want answers to the plot lines in this game as much as next person but if CG needs to rework this for a broader audience then so be it.
I want answers to the plot lines in this game as much as next person but if CG needs to rework this for a broader audience then so be it.
- Sep 28, 2018
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I don't have a problem with reworking it. They've , for the most part, been consistent. Only longer delays for when IRL issues get in the way, and whenever that clears up, the updates become regular again. Saying Cheeky is "milking" is braindead. Comments like that show that no developer, no matter who they are, will get hit by the "milking" train eventually. I've even saw Dr.Pinkcake be accused of milking. So, that word has no meaning since it's flung at any and every developer at one point or another.
But I do think they should finish the last 2 update before reworking the first 10. I get that making, as far as hourly wage goes, next to nothing is hard, but I don't think they need to work as much as they've been doing. Even if that means the updates take a while to complete.
There are popular developers (like Naughtyroad) that release 1 update per year and another popular developer (MrJet) just took a year to complete the final update of their game too. You don't need to finish the final 2 episodes in 6 months. You can finish both episodes in the next 12months. After that is done, rework the first 10 episodes. Release that on steam. And then release the rest of the game on Steam. And finally, release epilogues as DLC.
But I do think they should finish the last 2 update before reworking the first 10. I get that making, as far as hourly wage goes, next to nothing is hard, but I don't think they need to work as much as they've been doing. Even if that means the updates take a while to complete.
There are popular developers (like Naughtyroad) that release 1 update per year and another popular developer (MrJet) just took a year to complete the final update of their game too. You don't need to finish the final 2 episodes in 6 months. You can finish both episodes in the next 12months. After that is done, rework the first 10 episodes. Release that on steam. And then release the rest of the game on Steam. And finally, release epilogues as DLC.
Somber news for what I consider the best game on this site. A rework generally is a red flag for the future development of a game.
But. This game in particular has continually exceeded expectations I set for it, so here's hoping for that to be the case once again.
But. This game in particular has continually exceeded expectations I set for it, so here's hoping for that to be the case once again.
The irony of people on a pirate site blaming a developer for making decisions because he needs to improve his income stream is mind-blowing.
Do what is needed for you - get that done, and come back to WTHI. We know you (your track record is older than some posting on this thread) and we understand. You are telling us beforehand what is happening, so kudos for being forthright and honest. Keep the flame burning and we'll see you soon. 2 months is nothing, not in the big picture.
I think it is perfectly reasonable for Cheeky to start the rework now. Remeber, the team lost Ace and that is huge blow to writing portion of the game. I think the rework will give Cheeky time to figure out how they want to finish up the story, and give him a better picture on how he wants the narrative to wrap up
I, for one, am a pseudo Patron, donating $1.50 CA per month. I am excited about what Cheeky is doing, giving him my compete support, and won't even mind if he doesn't shut down his Patreon for the two months or however long it takes him to get his vision right.
- Oct 23, 2016
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Either there are a lot of people posting which I have on ignore, or there were like one or two people complaining. One of which was just doing the usual "all devs are milkers" spill.
Everyone else was either completely accepting the decision or even welcoming it, or was just expressing concern.
Expressing concern over the amount of games where the dev made a similar decision, which were then abandoned, does not mean blaming the dev for anything. It means being concerned that a rework might lead to an abandoned game as supported by past experiences, nothing more.
In addition, the people actually BLAMING Cheeky for anything don't BELIEVE his reasons, because they think he is lying anyway. So for them, it isn't about whether he needs to improve his income or not.
And let's not forget that many of us here are supporters of the game, often for a very, very long time. Am I okay, with expressing concern, with fearing for how this will play out, because I have the second ever (and very positive) review for the game, IIRC the patreon wasn't even up then, or because I've been a supporter on patron for years?
Sorry, if this might not have been directed at mine or similar posts, but I have a problem with the "this is a pirate site" approach.
It is not like this being a pirate site disqualifies any opinion expressed here. It never does, and this approach really is just an excuse to dismiss any form of criticism as worthless, without actually making any factual points that disqualify the criticism.
Criticism is either qualified or fair, or it is unqualified and unfair. Neither actually depends on WHO is making the criticism, unless there is a personal connection that makes the criticism completely biased, like a personal antipathy towards the target of the criticism.
There are valid reasons to dismiss arguments that Cheeky is a milker or that he is lying, use those.
- Sep 20, 2018
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I can't say I'm surprised that the schedule has slipped, but put me in the camp that finds the announcement devastating. I understand and respect Cheeky's thought process, but I don't think it's going to play out the way he hopes. The work required to overhaul a game as long and complex as WtHI is significant. I'm sure Cheeky is sincere in his plans to limit the rework through Chapter 10, but it's going to be very difficult to stick to that when the time comes and he realizes the changes he wants to make won't quite mesh with the old game - especially when he's saddled with the ever-present burden of making sure the game puts its best foot forward to maximize the benefit of this whole gamble. And the longer it takes to get the game launched on Steam, the more he'll feel pressureed to push himself hard if and when he can return to Episode 24. That means there's a distinct risk we'll find ourselves right back in the same unsustainable situation we are now, just many months behind schedule.
Personally, I'd have preferred if Cheeky had simply cut back his working hours to a sustainable level and kept plugging away at Episode 24 in bits and pieces, even if it took the rest of the year to finish it. Slow progress towards a fixed goal feels like a better bet than banking everything on the siren's call of a quick fix. As they say, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Well, what's done is done. Nothing to do now but hope for the best. Please prove me wrong, Cheeky!