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Turning Tricks

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It only really stood out to me because F95 was created 4 years after the game takes place. For shame.

Edit: got to the second scene. :FacePalm:

Also, fuck AI slop.

PS: I'd like to see more flexibility with routes. I fucked the cop to be nice but don't want anything more to do with her, yet now I'm being forced to call her. My only option to avoid it is to edit whatever variables affect it, or start a new game.
Jesus!

I added the ability to choose if you want to call Juliette if you skipped her at the prison; just so people had another chance to start a route with her. I never thought to do the opposite.

You "... fucked the cop to be nice ..." and then bitch when there's another scene with her. :eek: You have heard of saves, right? You can make as many saves as you want and if you played ANY of the other ren'py games on here, maybe you should have realized fucking her in the first place might have set a path? Oh wait... it shows the path on her character screen ... /facepalm

As for the F95 homage, seriously? Are we fact-checking our porn fantasy VN's now? I'm sure all the other games on here are 100% accurate as well. I'm sorry my making a humorous reference the site that gave me all these games over the years and provides support to me and my fellow developers bothers you so much. Please accept my apology on behalf of porn Visual Novel makers across the globe for not adhering to real-life for something so important as a website reference. I dropped the ball. I was too busy making sure the dozens of other custom assets I made were period correct.

Pro-tip: There's a volume slider (actually three of them!) - AND a mute button on screen - if the single, sole AI song that you only hear on one path, hurts you so much. I'm sorry I didn't put another mind-numbing copyright free piano track in that scene (which would have most likely been AI generated anyhow)
 

perulez

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I don't get why people so negative about little jokes in the game. It's just because of the jokes and some fun in the game line, that this game is fun to play. But the only thing........no, there is no only thing, I like both games created but this one just a little bit more than the adhr. Just the things I wouldn't do in RL, to escape from the real world. Enjoy a nice story with some screens to enjoy. And laughing or even a grin is part of it. Turning Tricks hopefully you don't listen too much to negativity and keep up adding to the story.
 
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magistrate

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I do actually really like the game overall, ftr.
You have heard of saves, right?
Obviously, but the save in question is so early on in the game it's basically starting over. Giving the player control over whether or not to call her again would make your game better.
As for the F95 homage, seriously? Are we fact-checking our porn fantasy VN's now?
You put effort into making everything else period accurate, so it stands out. Even then the first reference didn't bother me, but the second one (the NTR rant that was obviously your personal thoughts) was extremely cringe.
Pro-tip: There's a volume slider (actually three of them!) - AND a mute button on screen - if the single, sole AI song that you only hear on one path, hurts you so much. I'm sorry I didn't put another mind-numbing copyright free piano track in that scene (which would have most likely been AI generated anyhow)
I play with music muted, it doesn't affect me personally. I oppose AI slop on principle, if you want music in your game work with actual musicians to make it happen.
 
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perulez

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I'm a big fan of AI music instead of the same music that 100 other VN uses. Especially that it shouldn't be removed in a later stage. The first VN I bought had amazing music inside, made like 70% of the AVN atmosphere. Then the latest update came and due to right issues, new music was added. I tried to restart the game with the new music, but no, it was not the same game anymore.
What I found out, in a lot of topics people complain are the people who are not contibuting in the game. Asking for better assets or real music......but who's gonna pay for that? Not the people who only complain but not tribute to it.
 
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I hope you all enjoy this game! It's my first attempt at a game and Daz Studio renders.
I think it's alright so far, but I'm very early into it, so I don't know what to expect yet, other than what the tags says. But I do have a question, though. Is this a harem game, or is the MC just a male slut? Because there's many love interests it seems, but right now it seems I'm getting into a more serious (monogamous?) relationship. And I don't see the 'Harem' tag, so if you could please shed some light on this, because right now, that part confuses me a bit. I mean the game is called 'Whoremonger', and by that name on its own, it's logical to assume he will have many different sexual escapades. Or do I have that wrong? Or is it strictly defined by your choices? In which case, I need to replay the game, as I missed one that I really wanted to pursue, but she doesn't show in the character roster. (Joe from the cafe.)

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Oh, and you really need to learn the difference between 'To' and 'Too', plus 'Then' and 'Than', especially the first one. I mean, a lot of times you get it right, but a lot of times it's mixed up with the wrong one in the sentence, so you definitely need a proofreader. And for some odd reason, Mei called her daughter by her (Mei's) own nickname, despite being correct in the character roster. I guess it's the same problem others mentioned with the MC being called Harris sometimes, but I assumed that's his surname, and in prison or the military, you're usually adressed only by your surname, so I don't know about that one.



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I think it's alright so far, but I'm very early into it, so I don't know what to expect yet, other than what the tags says. But I do have a question, though. Is this a harem game, or is the MC just a male slut? Because there's many love interests it seems, but right now it seems I'm getting into a more serious (monogamous?) relationship. And I don't see the 'Harem' tag, so if you could please shed some light on this, because right now, that part confuses me a bit. I mean the game is called 'Whoremonger', and by that name on its own, it's logical to assume he will have many different sexual escapades. Or do I have that wrong? Or is it strictly defined by your choices? In which case, I need to replay the game, as I missed one that I really wanted to pursue, but she doesn't show in the character roster. (Joe from the cafe.)

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Oh, and you really need to learn the difference between 'To' and 'Too', plus 'Then' and 'Than', especially the first one. I mean, a lot of times you get it right, but a lot of times it's mixed up with the wrong one in the sentence, so you definitely need a proofreader. And for some odd reason, Mei called her daughter by her (Mei's) own nickname, despite being correct in the character roster. I guess it's the same problem others mentioned with the MC being called Harris sometimes, but I assumed that's his surname, and in prison or the military, you're usually adressed only by your surname, so I don't know about that one.
It's hard to define the exact path I have set right now, for a couple of reasons. First, the original plan I had for this VN was more sandbox and was supposed to involve the MC and his buddy doing more shit together, like hitting Vegas and what not. But after I almost canceled the project and then came back to do the remake, I changed that idea and switched to a more traditional VN style. Because my original story outline was basically shredded, I am kind of winging it as i go. That sucks for you people who like a clear path laid out, but this is my first attempt at this, so it's a big learning process for me and I have learned a ton about how better to do the paths and storylines. That unfortunately will mostly be of benefit in my next project, whenever I start that.

What I can say about this story, is that my intent was always that April and the MC were the "core" relationship. That's why you can't turn her path off. I guess the rest of the cast is - to use a phrase someone else mentioned above - "catch & release Harem". So basically, you can pursue all the other women you want, with the understanding that the MC and April are always the main thing. As for the two paths Love and Lust - they influence the way those relationships go. I'll be doing all this completely different next time! Mainly because having multiple forks is a huge effort, when you have to render scenes multiple times to cover the different paths.

Looking down the road, I am planning on finishing this with Act 5. I hope to finish Act 3 by early next month (estimate!). So after that release, there will only be two more (not including any minor hot fixes or stuff I might have to do). Story-wise, Act 3 will be focusing on the MC getting to know his daughter again and learning about what she knows concerning the frame that his EX hung on him and possibly how he can get revenge. Act 3 also continues some other paths and I am looking forward to advancing the lesbian story between Laura and Agnes. Act 4 will most likely be focused on the MC doing something to get back at his EX and Chuck and Act 5 will have alternate endings for some choices already made and still to come. Right now, I think I have 3 alternate endings roughed out, but I will probably add one or two more to that. Timeline wise, I am really hoping to finish Whoremonger by this winter or early spring, because I want to start a new project after that.

I've decided that Whoremonger will get 80% or so of my attention for the next several months, so I can finish it in a reasonable time. A Dark Horse Riding will continue to be worked on, but at a slightly lesser rate, until I am done with this one first.

As for my next project, I can't say much right now. I have several stories and/game formats outlined and I will be working on them this winter to decide what to choose. I can say that my next project will have more "game" features, like QTE's and puzzles and alternate paths. It probably won't be linked to either of my two existing VN's. That said though, I plan on continuing these VN's and keeping them in this "universe" as well as using the features in Ren'py to share character names across titles. So look for a 3rd VN after I start my next main project. (probably Spring '25)

Good news about Joe - She will likely be an LI option in Act 4. Nothing major, but at least a fling. After all, she's a mature independent woman and she gets her action when she wants it. No strings tying her down!

Thanks for the feedback on my grammar. It's a process. I test-play and proof most scenes at least 5 or 6 times before release. I also extract the dialogue from the code and run it through some spell checkers, but they don't get all the grammar problems. Most of the existing mistakes are from Act 1 and I will address them before I release Act 3. Another thing I do now as well; is when I make some complex dialogue, I'll run it through an AI grammar checker to make sure I am on target. It's actually helping my own writing a lot! I am very literate - it's just that I make simple spelling and grammar errors like most people. My trade for 30 years has been in a very technical field, so creative writing is new to me. I read like a maniac though. 300+ novels alone during the various COVID lock-downs, lol.

PS: Just looking at your screenshot above, are you sure you are playing the latest version? Because I changed those side images in Act 2.
 
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Tico7533on

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It's hard to define the exact path I have set right now, for a couple of reasons. First, the original plan I had for this VN was more sandbox and was supposed to involve the MC and his buddy doing more shit together, like hitting Vegas and what not. But after I almost canceled the project and then came back to do the remake, I changed that idea and switched to a more traditional VN style. Because my original story outline was basically shredded, I am kind of winging it as i go. That sucks for you people who like a clear path laid out, but this is my first attempt at this, so it's a big learning process for me and I have learned a ton about how better to do the paths and storylines. That unfortunately will mostly be of benefit in my next project, whenever I start that.

What I can say about this story, is that my intent was always that April and the MC were the "core" relationship. That's why you can't turn her path off. I guess the rest of the cast is - to use a phrase someone else mentioned above - "catch & release Harem". So basically, you can pursue all the other women you want, with the understanding that the MC and April are always the main thing. As for the two paths Love and Lust - they influence the way those relationships go. I'll be doing all this completely different next time! Mainly because having multiple forks is a huge effort, when you have to render scenes multiple times to cover the different paths.

Looking down the road, I am planning on finishing this with Act 5. I hope to finish Act 3 by early next month (estimate!). So after that release, there will only be two more (not including any minor hot fixes or stuff I might have to do). Story-wise, Act 3 will be focusing on the MC getting to know his daughter again and learning about what she knows concerning the frame that his EX hung on him and possibly how he can get revenge. Act 3 also continues some other paths and I am looking forward to advancing the lesbian story between Laura and Agnes. Act 4 will most likely be focused on the MC doing something to get back at his EX and Chuck and Act 5 will have alternate endings for some choices already made and still to come. Right now, I think I have 3 alternate endings roughed out, but I will probably add one or two more to that. Timeline wise, I am really hoping to finish Whoremonger by this winter or early spring, because I want to start a new project after that.

I've decided that Whoremonger will get 80% or so of my attention for the next several months, so I can finish it in a reasonable time. A Dark Horse Riding will continue to be worked on, but at a slightly lesser rate, until I am done with this one first.

As for my next project, I can't say much right now. I have several stories and/game formats outlined and I will be working on them this winter to decide what to choose. I can say that my next project will have more "game" features, like QTE's and puzzles and alternate paths. It probably won't be linked to either of my two existing VN's. That said though, I plan on continuing these VN's and keeping them in this "universe" as well as using the features in Ren'py to share character names across titles. So look for a 3rd VN after I start my next main project. (probably Spring '25)

Good news about Joe - She will likely be an LI option in Act 4. Nothing major, but at least a fling. After all, she's a mature independent woman and she gets her action when she wants it. No strings tying her down!

Thanks for the feedback on my grammar. It's a process. I test-play and proof most scenes at least 5 or 6 times before release. I also extract the dialogue from the code and run it through some spell checkers, but they don't get all the grammar problems. Most of the existing mistakes are from Act 1 and I will address them before I release Act 3. Another thing I do now as well; is when I make some complex dialogue, I'll run it through an AI grammar checker to make sure I am on target. It's actually helping my own writing a lot! I am very literate - it's just that I make simple spelling and grammar errors like most people. My trade for 30 years has been in a very technical field, so creative writing is new to me. I read like a maniac though. 300+ novels alone during the various COVID lock-downs, lol.

PS: Just looking at your screenshot above, are you sure you are playing the latest version? Because I changed those side images in Act 2.

Yes, I'm playing the current version (Act 2.01 Beta). But I'm pretty sure it was while I was still in Act 1. And also, what about my nickname error, and there was something else too, but I can't remember what it was right now, so I'll have to get back to you on that one.
 
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Turning Tricks

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Yes, I'm playing the current version (Act 2.01 Beta). But I'm pretty sure it was while I was still in Act 1. And also, what about my nickname error, and there was something else too, but I can't remember what it was right now, so I'll have to get back to you on that one.

I made a note about the nickname error in my production sheet. I'll keyword search the variable when I am cleaning things up prior to release. It's quite possible I mixed a name up in the dialogue, as the mother and daughter have similar name values. If you can recall what scene or even what day it was on, that would make the search quicker.
 

Myrroddin

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Turning Tricks Hello developer! I have been enjoying the game, and I liked the various paths enough to give you a few dollars. I noticed this grammar error in the attached image. It should be "too comfortable here." This is the first image after Greg leaves until Wednesday, after he has picked the MC up from Hammertown.

In case English is not your first language, "too" indicates a quantity, whereas "to" indicates a direction.

In the walkthrough, Amanda, the daughter, isn't a character as of Act 2.01 beta; am I correct?
 

Turning Tricks

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Turning Tricks Hello developer! I have been enjoying the game, and I liked the various paths enough to give you a few dollars. I noticed this grammar error in the attached image. It should be "too comfortable here." This is the first image after Greg leaves until Wednesday, after he has picked the MC up from Hammertown.

In case English is not your first language, "too" indicates a quantity, whereas "to" indicates a direction.

In the walkthrough, Amanda, the daughter, isn't a character as of Act 2.01 beta; am I correct?
Thanks for the report. I missed a few grammar errors in Act I that still need to be found and fixed. I'll be doing a full dialogue dump and review when I am getting ready to release Act 3. Unfortunately, Word doesn't catch all the grammar errors when I am first writing the dialogue and I missed several common ones. (to and too, then and than, etc.)

As for Amanda - she makes an appearance at the end of Act 2. Starting with Act 3, she will be a major character in the story.
 

MadMoonMan69

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Hi TT I found an error that I keep repeating (my bad). I have attached a 2 x screen shots and the traceback for you. I am pretty sure I know what is causing it, but not why or how I can fix it! Agnes (hobo1) is the only character that I change the name of, she looks more like an Angie to me. I have done this a few times on different play throughs and get the same error. In the laundry room when telling Agnes her duties you have (attached screen shot) then Traceback error.
Hopefully you can work out what went wrong! Thank you for a wonderful game :cool:
MC_and_Agnes.png MC_andAgnes_Laundry Room.png View attachment traceback.txt
 

Turning Tricks

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Hi TT I found an error that I keep repeating (my bad). I have attached a 2 x screen shots and the traceback for you. I am pretty sure I know what is causing it, but not why or how I can fix it! Agnes (hobo1) is the only character that I change the name of, she looks more like an Angie to me. I have done this a few times on different play throughs and get the same error. In the laundry room when telling Agnes her duties you have (attached screen shot) then Traceback error.
Hopefully you can work out what went wrong! Thank you for a wonderful game :cool:
View attachment 4117916 View attachment 4117949 View attachment 4117917
Thanks. That's one that slipped through.

The bug is that I forgot the "o" at the end of her character code. Should be "hobo1o happy". I use the "o" to signify a character speaking either off camera or when two or more characters are speaking on screen at the same time. It will show the side image when it's used.

I added this to my bug sheet and it will get fixed when I release Act 3.
 

Myrroddin

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I added this to my bug sheet and it will get fixed when I release Act 3.
I just saw this post. It's a good thing I checked before creating a duplicate error report. In the meantime, clicking Ignore gets past the bug, so it isn't breaking the game.
 

Myrroddin

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I have never been in any of the situations the MC found himself, either before the beginning of the story or during the game. However, the letter from Amanda in Act II hit me right in the feels. I hope the MC gets a measure of revenge. Nothing extreme, like what got him into this mess. Something more... legal. That sad tale has been told a thousand times in a thousand ways. Still, well played, dev, well played.

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I have never been in any of the situations the MC found himself, either before the beginning of the story or during the game. However, the letter from Amanda in Act II hit me right in the feels. I hope the MC gets a measure of revenge. Nothing extreme, like what got him into this mess. Something more... legal. That sad tale has been told a thousand times in a thousand ways. Still, well played, dev, well played.

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your alot nicer than i am. i want the mc to get major revenge on all 3 of the people involved in framing him. the cop his wife talks about, the dickhead boss she cheats with and especially on her. the daughter can really put her in deep shit with what she knows. and the mc has the perfect way to revenge. his biker buddy from A Dark Horse Riding. can't wait to see how both these games go, though to be honest i like Whoremonger a bit more.
 

Myrroddin

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your alot nicer than i am.
I reserve the right to change my mind, and become vindictive, depending on if story developments provide details, and I get angry. What I didn't say above is that while none of the events have happened to me, I know a couple who lost their two boys because of people lying. The good news is they got their boys back, but they went through hell. Prison (was threatened, yet thankfully did not happen) and cheating spouses didn't apply in their case, but lies were told to police, child services, and the courts before they got their happy ending. All of which happened before I met them.

So, yeah, I empathize with the MC, and see why you aren't as nice as I am.

My point is that I was shocked that an AVN has me feeling more than humour or basic-level investment in the characters.
 
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