These are porn GAMES. Games imply conflict, something to overcome. The easiest way to do this is the mc wants sex, the other characters do not. The player 'wins' by conquering. It's an easy formula that people (myself included) can enjoy,
*slaps roof of ren'py visual novel*
"This bad boy can fit so many one-dimensional characters in it*
You're right, and this thread is talking about games that decided to shortcut through that conflict by using rape, even when rape seems to go against the theme of the game.
What is wrong with you guys.
Why you demand full dining etiquette from 5 year old boy.
Why every critic demands reasonable well established stories, characters in our games.
We are era of silent movies. There is no tropes no formulations. Every one try to build and earn some money.
None of big earners even complete their first games.
Later or sooner market will decide what is good what is bad.
There are plenty of
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. What is wrong with asking developers to be better? Especially if they're asking for money. Seriously, you're snowflaking on behalf of developers as if there is not a relationship between we developers and the players wherein we the players have a right to demand they do better.
>This game contains rape.
>Turns consensual halfway through the rape scene.
This sums up most of the games containing rape here. So much for rape content. :test:
About the poll, i'd mark all the options if i could. But from what i mentioned above, i really don't feel the creators include it due to rape fantasy. It's more about domination.
Personally, if it turns consensual halfway through I'd put that under "
They don't know how to interact with human females". As a writer, this always pisses me off. If a character decides it's consensual halfway through the writer had better go to great lengths to build up the character around that decision to make sense that it turns out they like losing power and being forced.
If you don't like a game's sexual politics, don't play it. Simple as that. Nobody's making you download any game, nobody's forcing you to play through any particular game or review it, at least in your position as random user on this website. And since F95 is a porn video game piracy site, the author is under no obligation to care whether you like the tone or not. Unless you're actually interested in trying to prevent authors from making the games they want to make (which would make you an asshole), I don't think there's much you can do.
And further, shaming people for the kind of fictional sex they enjoy, especially on a porn video game piracy site, is shitty. If a lot of devs want to make games with a rapey tone, that's their business. If you want something different, then I would suggest either finding different games (there are a shitload of games about either out-and-out rapists or with extensive courting sections, many many more if you like Japanese games [I'm not personally a big fan]) or making a game yourself with the stuff you like in it.
Most importantly: Nobody has to explain why they like a particular fetish in their fictional porn games.
The thread is not about games that have an intentionally rapey tone. Guy doesn't want to call anyone in particular out, but there are plenty of games that set up a tone and a relationship that implies that the characters and their relationship should be romantic. Games where a dad manipulates a naive and impressionable daughter not because that's the theme, it's clear that she's supposed to be willing, but because she has no motivation or proactive actions herself, it seems like she's being corrupted and manipulated when that's not the intended case.
Or maybe your game is an incest harem with a conflict in an antagonist character who acts as a romantic rival with a little too much power over you, and yet the game still makes each of the women their own miniboss antagonists, each needing to be harassed into sexual content. Whats more, is they need to be continuously harassed as the game goes forward, you finally pass a content gate and it seems like you're back to square one, haven't earned any ground, and have to harass them all over again to get to the next level.
Or maybe your game deals with a completely willing little sister who admires you, wants to experiment with you, but for some reason you have to manipulate her to get her in your bed. Each night you have an opportunity to watch a movie with her, and she'll end up in your bed if you watch a horror movie. Again, she is into you, she wants to experiment with you, she catches you fapping to porn once and willingly gives you a blowjob, she lets you into the bath with her, she invites a friend over to continue your experimentation with together, she buys a sexy schoolgirl outfit and fucks you in it, all of her own accord, but you still only get her into your bed by taking advantage of her fear of scary movies. And that doesn't even get into how in that same game all of the content with your mother is based on either getting her drunk or impersonating a medical professional to manipulate her, being passed off as innocent.
Another instance of the advancement of a relationship by harassment is cropping up in yet another popular life sim wherein you fuck your family. 2 members are completely willing, but the third fights against it, and tries very hard to make it clear they don't want you to continue, but you just keep pushing.
One of the most popular games out there making a fuck ton of money makes two of the characters gated behind harassment. After peeping and using their underwear, and stealing their computer passwords you get into their pants through pushing them over the edge, not through romance or earning it, again, this game presents these as consensual.
One of my favorite games has you use spyware to spy on and manipulate girls in the story, something that I really tried to avoid, personally, because I'm not really into that, but that the game design forced me to replay the entire game to go back and do, because the next step in a release was gated behind one of these spying moments. Aside from this, the game actually does a really good job of allowing you to be a gentleman and romance the characters. It also has at least 2 uncharacteristic sleep molestation scenes, but those are completely optional. What really sucks here is that the spying element, being forced, is more of a design shortcut that allows us to follow the other character, while maintaining our MC's perspective, but the game doesn't use that elsewhere at all, allowing us to jump to the other character's perspective for plenty of scenes where he wouldn't have a way to spy on her.
These games are using the rapey elements as shortcuts or to cover their shortcomings as writers. And understand, I'm still not calling out people who use rape in their stories, in fact, one of the games I'm working on starts with a violent rape which drives the whole story forward. Rape and molestation have a place, but when using them as shortcuts or to make up for a lack of ideas it makes it lazy and less enjoyable. You end up feeling dirty after playing because the game made it seem like this was an innocent and loving relationship, but you are a total sleazeball for no reason other than it's easier.
@GuyFreely
Actually, (From my point of view) you are whining and some how entire Internet debating run around this.
You are complaining about products, which you did not know how to build it and you did not pay consume it and you did not support it any kind.
And you are complaining not because of the bad product, you complaining because they did not fit your political view.
And after everyone try to explain you to why developers using this tactics to shortening their production time, you still complaining.
Let me ask you something. If anyone has working solution for f**cking lots chicks without using lots of money (this or that way) in short of time why they spending their time on the front of pc game and FAP...
This game genre still in experimental era. Nobody invented anything, no one has working trope, game model or anything formulated to build better experience.
Seriously, you don't know who you're talking to. Guy is developing a game, something that he shouldn't have to disclose to make criticism. He's actually working pretty hard to get the story right, asking for advice on how to get things right. Guy isn't some shithead complaining just to complain, he's actually trying to make the industry better. And your insistence on making this out to be an Anti-rape thread when it's been stated multiple times that the point is actually about games that are thematically opposed to rape including it, is proof that you're the one snowflaking over a political opinion.
Your poll and what you say in your earlier post interpreting your own poll clearly tell me you're trying to shame devs for putting rapey themes in games where you don't think it's appropriate. I stand by my response, and whether or not it changes your mind personally I think it's important to remind the other users here that we don't have to fucking explain our boners to anybody.
It's not about what you get off to. It's about a thematically opposed sexual content. When the game goes to great lengths narratively to make a romantic setting and then you drug and rape the girl who was into you, it's a complete tonal shift. If that was in a movie you'd freak the fuck out. But because you perceive this as an attack on your taste and not a critique on writers who can't keep a consistent tone, you're being a dick here in this thread.
