Why do some people simply hate NTR?

[obibobi]

Said it before and I'll say it again, NTR is a common troll tactic.

So many of you are caught up in the "oh but it makes people feel a certain way".

 

[woody554]

You don't mean this in general right, it's just regarding 'phobes'?
Because anger towards someone trying to kill your family etc. can give you courage to act.

this is the general case. someone trying to kill your family is the once in a million lifetimes extreme hypothetical.

 

[Jaike]

If netorare offends a person so much that they have to ask the question - then no, it's not dumb that they should skip that game.

That assumes everyone who asks the question is offended by it. But there are people too who want to avoid netorare but like the risk of it as a consequence yeah I don't get that either ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, and there are people who like netorare but like it better when it isn't linear but a consequence of player choices yeah I don't get that either ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Whether the question defies common sense depends on context. There are a lot of not very smart people who want to be spoonfed on this site, I concede. If the title is "Ultimate NTR-y Netorare and the Bigly NTR", yeah it's a totally idiotic question, if it's "Devil's Margarita" and the overview, notes and previews don't give any clarity the question seems reasonable, if it's "My Stepsister is Cucked by Chipmunks"... well I understand the confusion that could've been avoided but my intuition says the answer's likely "no".

So imo not that senseless compared to, like, complaining/kinkshaming about lesbians in lesbian-protagonist games, or complaining that RPGs are made in RPG Maker...

However, there are people who are so adverse to netorare that they can't even stomach it being "optional" or "avoidable" - they don't want it in the universe at all. For some - they are fine with it still 'happening in the universe' - but they can choose not to see it.

But in the end, there are almost 22,000 games listed on this site and fewer than 2,000 of them have the netorare tag (full story line, one scene, optional, avoidable, etc). Why even bother considering 2,000 games when there are 20,000 others to choose from.

A person could play a different game each day to completion - taking almost 55 years to play the 20,000 games not tagged with netorare. And, should they still be alive, they would have thousands of new games to choose from.

Again, common sense. If it bothers a person that much - just don't go in those threads. Don't consider those games. People don't have to play everything. And there is not a single game on this site that has a tag which a person might have problems with that is so good that they cannot pass up the chance to play it. Move along.

Why should they pass up on a game with just a single scene of avoidable "netorare" if you can even call it that though? LLtP is like that. It's totally marginal there.

I've said it before, there are very few kinks that are equivalent, or at least attempts, to recreate a very real life event that happens to be one of the most painful memories that some people have. Getting cheated on in marriage is usually avoidable with effort as well, usually, but not always, just like games. I love a good NTR story, but understanding why some people avoid any game with NTR in it like the plague is easy to do, not hard.

Not understanding that is a lot like a psychopath not understanding why some people won't get a dog again because their first pet died and they don't want to go through that again.

... Though getting NTR'd out of some partners is a blessing...

 

[NTR unavoidable!]

this is the general case. someone trying to kill your family is the once in a million lifetimes extreme hypothetical.

If my example is too extreme for you then how about someone trying to hurt you in general? I don't think anger is unreasonable emotion in such cases or that it makes someone a 'coward'. Anger has it's place just like any other emotion.

I can only kinda agree in context of 'phobes' so I'll just agree to disagree if you think it's like that in general, to not derail the thread further. I was just curious why you think that.

 

[MissCougar]

Looks like this has sort of evolved to "how much of a thing should be in a thing before I think it is that thing".

Like if a game has a single watersports scene and you hate watersports, do you complain about it or avoid it?

If an ending has your love interest going off and getting banged by orcs in a cave while you cry at home alone as you are NTRd by the monsters, do you complain about it or avoid it?


How much of a certain piece both constitutes it to be tagged with it, and how much constitutes it featuring a lot of that thing?

I feel like games these days hit so many tags you'd have a wash of "Skippy's Day At the Park" which has a dude flashing women or something, and it gets a million tags because of single scenes.

And for people wanting something to be something it's not- it's up to the devs how it goes. This hurts most with things like pregnancy, because of the sheer amount of art involved unless it is part of the whole story and is just unavoidable.

I think if you don't like something, but still want to experience something, I guess know how much of that thing you don't like it has and go from there.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Why should they pass up on a game with just a single scene of avoidable "netorare" if you can even call it that though? LLtP is like that. It's totally marginal there.

Yeah, I'm gonna be honest, I usually follow the sunflowers logic even if I disagree, but not here. Even Count Morado's 22000 example doesn't hold water because there are other factors in play. (Note, I did not comment on it earlier due to an extreme lack of sleep, and I assumed I was reading it wrong.)

Using myself as an example. Player wants to play a wholesome futa game. Two tags (futa protag and romance), and that 20000 other games drops to a mere 79 (will be 80 on the 10th ). However, my game also has the swinging tag, which obviously some would want to avoid. But because the game has it, they should skip over it completely instead of going into the thread and just asking about it? They'd never find out the it's not MC doing the swinging. Game is right up their alley with what they want, but they'd never know if they followed Count's advice.

Now, coming in to complain about the presence of the tag? Pure buffoonery under most circumstances.

 

[MissCougar]

Yeah, I'm gonna be honest, I usually follow the sunflowers logic even if I disagree, but not here. Even Count Morado's 22000 example doesn't hold water because there are other factors in play. (Note, I did not comment on it earlier due to an extreme lack of sleep, and I assumed I was reading it wrong.)

Using myself as an example. Player wants to play a wholesome futa game. Two tags (futa protag and romance), and that 20000 other games drops to a mere 79 (will be 80 on the 10th ). However, my game also has the swinging tag, which obviously some would want to avoid. But because the game has it, they should skip over it completely instead of going into the thread and just asking about it? They'd never find out the it's not MC doing the swinging. Game is right up their alley with what they want, but they'd never know if they followed Count's advice.

Now, coming in to complain about the presence of the tag? Pure buffoonery under most circumstances.

One thing I've seen done in like two or three games is that it spoils what some selection may lead to.

1. "I'm not going into that cave!"
2. "I'm gonna check out that cave!" (WARNING: Leads to a goblin rape scene)

This sort of helps people who don't want to see something not see something, but it does take out some of that risk of adventure people like too.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

One thing I've seen done in like two or three games is that it spoils what some selection may lead to.

1. "I'm not going into that cave!"
2. "I'm gonna check out that cave!" (WARNING: Leads to a goblin rape scene)

This sort of helps people who don't want to see something not see something, but it does take out some of that risk of adventure people like too.

My next game is a bevy of choices. Like, all but 2 of the over twenty characters are entirely optional. Most of the kinks too. I'm gonna have to put that somewhere on the page, I think. Maybe in an image, since people don't read dev notes.

 

[Count Morado]

That assumes everyone who asks the question is offended by it. But there are people too who want to avoid netorare but like the risk of it as a consequence yeah I don't get that either ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, and there are people who like netorare but like it better when it isn't linear but a consequence of player choices yeah I don't get that either ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Whether the question defies common sense depends on context. There are a lot of not very smart people who want to be spoonfed on this site, I concede. If the title is "Ultimate NTR-y Netorare and the Bigly NTR", yeah it's a totally idiotic question, if it's "Devil's Margarita" and the overview, notes and previews don't give any clarity the question seems reasonable, if it's "My Stepsister is Cucked by Chipmunks"... well I understand the confusion that could've been avoided but my intuition says the answer's likely "no".

So imo not that senseless compared to, like, complaining/kinkshaming about lesbians in lesbian-protagonist games, or complaining that RPGs are made in RPG Maker...


Why should they pass up on a game with just a single scene of avoidable "netorare" if you can even call it that though? LLtP is like that. It's totally marginal there.


... Though getting NTR'd out of some partners is a blessing...

Uh, thanks for the longwinded explanation -- but it still changes nothing of my argument. And you are fully aware you are presenting examples that are the very very very rare minority. That's not even pedantic, it's worse.

If it bothers a person, if they don't want to see it, etc... if they want to avoid it as a consequence, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Just don't play it.

No one has to play everything.
Everything is not made for everyone.
Less than 10% of all the games here have netorare tag.
Even fewer within that 10% have optional/avoidable netorare.
That leaves vastly over 90% - if not closer to 95% or higher ... well over 20,000 games on this site... that someone never has to see netorare at all.

Holy fucking shit, players who do not like something or want to avoid something or the consequences of your actions in a game - You're not entitled to play everything on here. There are thousands of games to choose from to keep you busy - choose better.

 

[lucier2000]

Let's go

My question is more based on the fact of genuine hatred, that there are people who feel angry at the NTR genre, to the point of almost getting out from behind their computers and hitting people in the street. hahaha

They got cucked so many times in real life that now they project it into the game.

 

[Count Morado]

Player wants to play a wholesome futa game. Two tags (futa protag and romance), and that 20000 other games drops to a mere 79 (will be 80 on the 10th ). However, my game also has the swinging tag, which obviously some would want to avoid. But because the game has it, they should skip over it completely instead of going into the thread and just asking about it? They'd never find out the it's not MC doing the swinging. Game is right up their alley with what they want, but they'd never know if they followed Count's advice.

Even at that small number - 80 games ... come on... a person doesn't have to play all 80. This is the point of my argument.

Again, the point of my argument is ---- Not everything is made for everyone.
Firstly, avoid it.
Secondly, if a person absolutely thinks their life will be less well off because they couldn't play every single futa protag romance game

1. Perhaps that person should reevaluate their life's choices that they think they cannot go through life without playing every single futa protag romance game
2. If they must continue - they probably don't need to ask because either
   1. it is said right up front in OP whether certain content is optional/avoidable
   2. someone has already asked in the thread and they just need to search the thread

The level of entitlement and obsession and, yes, possible addiction should be a warning to someone not a motivation.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Even at that small number - 80 games ... come on... a person doesn't have to play all 80. This is the point of my argument.

That's assuming they like the look of the other games. That's assuming the rest of the game doesn't line up totally. That's assuming all games are made equal. I'm sorry man, but I don't think I've ever disagreed with you this much.

As a game dev, if you came into my game thread and told someone to not play my games because they asked whether a tag was avoidable, I'd be livid. If I, as a game dev, make something optional/avoidable and that fact is not listed in the OP for whatever reason, I'd want people to ask. I made it optional for a reason.

Any would be question askers, please ASK about tags. As a game dev, I wouldn't mind in the slightest. You WANT to play my game, the least that could be done is me clarifying what's in it.

 

[Count Morado]

That's assuming they like the look of the other games. That's assuming the rest of the game doesn't line up totally. That's assuming all games are made equal. I'm sorry man, but I don't think I've ever disagreed with you this much.

As a game dev, if you came into my game thread and told someone to not play my games because they asked whether a tag was avoidable, I'd be livid. If I, as a game dev, make something optional/avoidable and that fact is not listed in the OP for whatever reason, I'd want people to ask. I made it optional for a reason.

You don't have to agree with me. I'm not asking you to.

But you are missing the point of my argument and talking around it to make it the point of your argument.

This continues to be the problem with people who wish to argue with me on this - even after I plainly stated what my argument is -- several times, including the post you are replying to.

The argument isn't about the person actually asking.

This is my argument - Not everything is made for everyone.

And the primary reason why people go into threads of games that have tags which they are in opposition to say "if XYZ wasn't in the game, I'd play it" or "Is XYZ avoidable?" or "Is XYZ optional" or "Don't play this shitty game because there is XYZ in it" is because those people feel they are entitled to every single game on this site. Period. The end.

The primary reason. Is it everyone's reason? No. It is not. So I don't need to have someone explain to me that there may be people in a lost are of Botswana which may want to ask because of some tribal religious experience.

It is that entitlement that "everything should be made for me" that is the primary motivation for such actions.

And as I stated in the post you replied to:
The level of entitlement and obsession and, yes, possible addiction should be a warning to someone not a motivation.

I don't know how I can be more clear and handhold through the entire process.

If you don't get it
If you don't agree
Fine - but why are we beating this dead horse? (Don't answer that - it's rhetorical)

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

~Snip~

Edit out the condescending passive aggressiveness and I might respond. I'm far too exhausted to tolerate it.

 

[Count Morado]

Edit out the condescending passive aggressiveness and I might respond. I'm far too exhausted to tolerate it.

I don't want your response as I stated at the end of my post:
If you don't get it
If you don't agree
Fine - but why are we beating this dead horse? (Don't answer that - it's rhetorical)

And the tone was 100% intended because this is ridiculous because I have stated my argument and you want to argue something completely different - something I understand your view from your perspective as a developer.

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And, again, the tone is 100% intentional.

If you don't get it. If you don't agree. That's fine. But instead of continuing to argue a tangent or parallel argument - how about letting the horse rest in peace.

 

[Quiet Monkey]

They got cucked so many times in real life that now they project it into the game.

It's the only logical answer to this question, I don't understand how a person can be so offended by a game genre.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

It's the only logical answer to this question, I don't understand how a person can be so offended by a game genre.

Is it better or worse than that one guy who tried to tell me futas should never be takers?

 

[NTR unavoidable!]

They got cucked so many times in real life that now they project it into the game.

Luckily, unlike being cheated on irl, playing ntr games is avoidable. I'll be blunt tho, I have no empathy for people who expose themself to things that hurt them for no good reason.

 

[Kamishirov]

People who hate NTR are cuckolds in denial, this is why they're so particularly and peculiarly militant against NTR, they need to learn to relax and sit in the cuck chair without the need for Ritalin to calm their boners.

 

[obibobi]

I think some of you need a reality check on the haters thing and staying within your own bubble, this applies to a lot of fetishes in general. Incest seems so vanilla on this site, but a lot of people would look at you in disgust if you said you play a game where you bang your hot mom.

Imagine telling someone you like NTR, then they ask what it is, then saying you like playing games where your cucked.