Atlas

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Just termed abandoned according the rules used at F95. No updates within a set period of time. Still under active development. Though the Wife Trainer community manager threw a bit of a snit fit over the status being assigned and flounced off.
I can see their point. They've been porting the game for three years and releasing bug fix and new art updates. 3 years ago they were on 0.7c and now we are on 0.7o2 with the same client list we have had for more than 3 years. Their game gets marked abandoned while Female Agent continues to milk the patreons. I'd be a bit salty too.
 

stabrepete

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Just termed abandoned according the rules used at F95. No updates within a set period of time. Still under active development. Though the Wife Trainer community manager threw a bit of a snit fit over the status being assigned and flounced off.
which is funny its not like its not going to get posted here anyway if/when a actual update comes. they were just saving someone else the trouble of doing it.
 
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biglazydog

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I mean in the years since the renpy version came out they have essentially added no new content beyond what was in the SCAGS version... so I kinda get it. Also, a couple years ago even the hypnopics forum (their main forum) declared the project abandoned after an absurd 2-year(?) period to port the initial content into renpy (while they all pretended like they were making a "custom engine").

They keep acting like the game is super complex but, it's no more complex than plenty of renpy games - so it's a weak ass excuse.

Don't blame the forum mods for reacting to some of the slowest dev times.
 

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Let's look at the changelogs:
From a year ago we have on May 30, 2021 0.7n:
Added:
• Lee the Psycho can now become your Domme (cheat code to open up this content: $ lee.domme_you_status = 2)
• a few new scenes for Chelsea as your girlfriend
Changed:
• Chelsea’s training has been cleaned up, improving consistency of stat changes. Many of her training scenes have been expanded and improved.
• Anne’s third session should now be properly shut off (prior content was buggy and contemplated additional scenes that aren’t yet implemented)

From November 13, 2021 0.7o:
Added:
• Post-training content for Alexis the Personal Assistant; this was the main focus of this update
• New client selection system giving players three choices: 1. default system, 2. random allocation of clients to waves without reference to your reputation, and 3. full player choice of which clients become available in each wave.
• Notification when examining or reviewing files for a character if a hypnotic trigger has been implanted
Changed:
• New prospects no longer become available while you have an existing client • Training period for Alexis extended by 2 weeks
• Training success thresholds for Alexis are also now easier, while getting the money bonus from her boss for training her is more difficult

From November 24, 2021:
Just Bug fixes

So let's summarize, in the previous year of development we have a bunch of bug fixes and art changes. In addition to that, we have a psycho that is unlocked via cheating, some new scenes with Chelsea, and post training Alexis content. I completely understand why people think it is abandoned.

The premise of the game is genius. You start with pictures of pornstars fully clothed looking normal, and then you play the game and you are shown their porn. Put some text around it to imply mind control and training and you can basically write a story around almost any pornstar with any scene. The client list is surprisingly short given how creative the structure allows one to be.

I find it confusing that a game with such infrequent releases has a community manager, lead writer, lead programmer, and several playtesters.
 

ubblesnop

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Let's look at the changelogs:
From a year ago we have on May 30, 2021 0.7n:
Added:
• Lee the Psycho can now become your Domme (cheat code to open up this content: $ lee.domme_you_status = 2)
• a few new scenes for Chelsea as your girlfriend
Changed:
• Chelsea’s training has been cleaned up, improving consistency of stat changes. Many of her training scenes have been expanded and improved.
• Anne’s third session should now be properly shut off (prior content was buggy and contemplated additional scenes that aren’t yet implemented)

From November 13, 2021 0.7o:
Added:
• Post-training content for Alexis the Personal Assistant; this was the main focus of this update
• New client selection system giving players three choices: 1. default system, 2. random allocation of clients to waves without reference to your reputation, and 3. full player choice of which clients become available in each wave.
• Notification when examining or reviewing files for a character if a hypnotic trigger has been implanted
Changed:
• New prospects no longer become available while you have an existing client • Training period for Alexis extended by 2 weeks
• Training success thresholds for Alexis are also now easier, while getting the money bonus from her boss for training her is more difficult

From November 24, 2021:
Just Bug fixes

So let's summarize, in the previous year of development we have a bunch of bug fixes and art changes. In addition to that, we have a psycho that is unlocked via cheating, some new scenes with Chelsea, and post training Alexis content. I completely understand why people think it is abandoned.

The premise of the game is genius. You start with pictures of pornstars fully clothed looking normal, and then you play the game and you are shown their porn. Put some text around it to imply mind control and training and you can basically write a story around almost any pornstar with any scene. The client list is surprisingly short given how creative the structure allows one to be.

I find it confusing that a game with such infrequent releases has a community manager, lead writer, lead programmer, and several playtesters.
I have to strongly disagree with most of this and the prior few posts.

It’s easy to write up a hyper-summary like “Alexis’ post-training content” as if the brevity of that phrase suggests a scene or two. In actuality, that content is maybe ten to twelve HOURS of gameplay, if you explore the branching paths. It’s NOT A SMALL UPDATE.

One of the previous posts suggested the game isn’t that complex. The programming may not deviate that far from standard Ren’py, but the number of meaningful player decisions is STAGGERING. There are literally hundreds of scenes you will never see unless you make specific choices. The game updates are *exponentially* larger and more complex than similar updates from similar games.

The branching paths and meaningful decisions give a sense of depth and reality to the characters that one seldom encounters in any adult game. The mind control and training feel real,, since each character has her own quirks, her own preexisting relationships, her own character traits that force you to adapt your mechanism.

Where most mind control and training games suffer from repetitive and unmeaningful approaches — “gee, I’ll just push my mind control button like I did for the last 55 women” “let me use the same potion and see the same progression” “I’ll speak my magic phrase and she’ll respond like all the rest of them do” — each character here has a personalized approach playing to the character’s personality. The *math* is different for each character, the *writing* is different for each character, the *psychology* is different for each character.
 

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The thing is, my hyper summary is taken directly from the published patch notes. The sparseness of description is not my creation. Also, if you look at their writing approach published on Hypnopics, most of the content should be fairly easy to unlock and shouldn't require esoteric conditions to unlock. To quote:
30% of the porn should be accessible as easily as falling out of bed. People are playing this for the porn; don’t make them wait too long or work too hard to get some.

60% of it should be achievable with a little thought and effort, and maybe one or two playthroughs to get an understanding of the client. This is the meat of the story and the stuff the players will truly enjoy because they earned it.

10% of the content should be very difficult to get or rely on an unusual sequence of events. This will provide substance for people who really get into the game and want to explore it thoroughly.
"There are literally hundreds of scenes you will never see unless you make specific choices." This would seem to go against the stated goal of the 30-60-10 rule.

The game is awesome and complex. Porting from one engine to another isn't easy. The worry is that they have been porting existing content for literal years. They already know what interactions between characters they want to include. To that extent, they are not having to recreate the wheel and write new stories or new scenes. Given that they already split duties between writing and programming, yeah, I kinda thought we would have seen more clients than what was included in RAGS.
 

Monstered

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someone correct me if Im wrong, but lead developer doesnt actually have a patreon, and is doing this as a hobby. Not everyone wants to develop porn games as their only job, and considering how great game they made I have no problem with them taking their time to produce it to their high standard
 

ubblesnop

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So I'll defend the game developer for making a great game, and I'll defend the updates as being substantially bigger than people are implying, but by f95's own policies, I think it was correct to mark it as abandoned. Them's the policies. The first post and the replies should clarify it's still in active development, but the site needs to follow a uniform rule.
 

PRONtick

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ehh. Sam the barista, should I go to the cops or the girl that gets her shoot?
anyone able to help?
Great game btw

*nevermind I did the girl again, and this time she survived*
 
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ubblesnop

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ehh. Sam the barista, should I go to the cops or the girl that gets her shoot?
anyone able to help?
Great game btw

*nevermind I did the girl again, and this time she survived*
Yeahhh, this is one of my least favorite moments in the game.

1. It’s over the top
2. It’s dumb
3. It’s irrevocable
4. It’s not the direct and meaningful consequence of any player action
5. It’s RANDOM. Whether she dies or survives is determined by RANDOMIZATION. Fuck that.
 
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Yeahhh, this is one of my least favorite moments in the game.

1. It’s over the top
2. It’s dumb
3. It’s irrevocable
4. It’s not the direct and meaningful consequence of any player action
5. It’s RANDOM. Whether she dies or survives is determined by RANDOMIZATION. Fuck that.
I didn't realise it was random. I've played it three or four times and always saved her. It is my least favourite bit, so I'm with you there.
 

PRONtick

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what do i have to do to progress with sam. she always just quits the coffee shop
I got to whore her out, untill she figured that wasnt for her, she was working in the coffeshop even when working for me, so
but after the mafia thing, she just kind of disappear out of the game

what got her to that, what asking her all kind of questions, even asking her out, after she got dumped by her girlfriend, some more options opened up, btw, you might need playboy for it, not sure
 

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I got to whore her out, untill she figured that wasnt for her, she was working in the coffeshop even when working for me, so
but after the mafia thing, she just kind of disappear out of the game
The slaver will contact you after several weeks (if you let him take her) you can get her back as a doll in exchange for another girl from your bedroom but she doesn't have that much content
 

Trasher2018

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Yeah this is one of the games that could really need more dev time, because the premise is great and the available content is really good.

I really hope that the .8 version will come this year and that it is more then just some fixes and minor stuff.
 
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what do i have to do to progress with sam. she always just quits the coffee shop
I think if you complete the escort or dom stuff with her she goes away but you can do a couple of scenes. I think the escort thing triggers the boat scene coming up later but I can't remember.
 

the slayer

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Yeah this is one of the games that could really need more dev time, because the premise is great and the available content is really good.

I really hope that the .8 version will come this year and that it is more then just some fixes and minor stuff.
so it is not dead?
 
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