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The_fallen_dragon

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Can only hope that they are so that devs who have no artistic talent, and are from countries where paying for an artist isn't feasible, are able to pursue their goal of making a game. That is what I see as the best thing to come from AI art - people who cannot afford to hire people being able to still have a creative outlet.
If you can't afford artist, what stopping you from picking up a pencil and drawing yourself? Pretending ai is magically giving a creative outlet is a downright lie when there is no barrier of entry to begin with. Anyone can pick up a number 2 pencil and some scratch paper and put lines down.

No what people want ai to do is replace the artist, they want the artist end result without having to spend the money or put in the time to get that result. It's a crutch not some great creativity equalizer
 

Paitryn

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If you can't afford artist, what stopping you from picking up a pencil and drawing yourself? Pretending ai is magically giving a creative outlet is a downright lie when there is no barrier of entry to begin with. Anyone can pick up a number 2 pencil and some scratch paper and put lines down.

No what people want ai to do is replace the artist, they want the artist end result without having to spend the money or put in the time to get that result. It's a crutch not some great creativity equalizer
just putting pen to paper wont make you an artist with any level of skill and if you think that way, be my guest you either have raw talent or worked at it for years. Not something that happens overnight, and if your a coder, why not work with what you know?

AI art isn't exactly like asking it to draw huge fuggin anime tiddies and poof out comes what you want. It takes a lot of work and some went back to using daz because it was easier than teaching an AI to draw. So If you think AI is a crutch, it goes right up there with daz, SFM, HS, or any other computer based art form. Deep down its all code unless your the one making the skeletons and textures and no one making games is doing that part.

AI is just one more medium. Back in the day everyone bitched CGI would replace traditional art styles yet here we are with just one more tool in the toolbox.
 

bluewitchgames

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Was kind of beat to it but still feel I have to address it
If you can't afford artist, what stopping you from picking up a pencil and drawing yourself? Pretending ai is magically giving a creative outlet is a downright lie when there is no barrier of entry to begin with. Anyone can pick up a number 2 pencil and some scratch paper and put lines down.

No what people want ai to do is replace the artist, they want the artist end result without having to spend the money or put in the time to get that result. It's a crutch not some great creativity equalizer
>No what people want ai to do is replace the artist
I don't see how this in any way disagrees with what he said. Unless you are implying that the people trying to "replace the artist" do so from a place of malice, which is obviously not true. Yes, people want to "replace the artist" in the sense that it's a really useful tool that enables people to create the semblance of a finished product even if they have no interest in drawing as a creative outlet, or don't have the financial means to commission artists, or whatever x reason. Just like daz is a really useful tool that replaced the tasks of some 3dmodellers. Just like any other tool in the history of tools. Yes, of course I feel bad for artists that feel that their lifeworks have been (partially) replaced by new tools, but if I had to fight that fight for everyone else who have seen their work transformed by technology too, I'd be able to do very little in my life. If it's any comfort, I've spent half of the Patreon proceeds so far to commission things from artists, so at least something goes back. Besides, with the direction things are headed, I'm next on the chopping block. We're not very far from tools that will enable artists to generate games at will, which they will be able to populate with their art. I've a feeling that these will sell better than the current situation of the other way around (until we're all replaced and there are just consumers and the overlord class)
 
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Zappyboi

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mã là gì
Xài tiếng Anh đi hoặc google dịch trước khi post lên đây và đừng có chấm không ai quan tâm đâu. Ở đây là cộng đồng nước ngoài chứ không phải VN mà chấm.
This bro is from my country, and he is new and clearly don' read the rules so I just warning him using our language.
 
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pr5130010

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This is fucking insane labyrinth to go without guide. I just stuck in the beginning twice, and now really dont know where to find this cellar.
 
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Does this game actually require a minimum line on the CPU, RAM and graphics card?
My laptop not only seems to load the game infinitely, but can barely handle more than the background graphics at the beginning of the game.
capture_001.jpg
only onboard grafic.

P.S.: Why is the full-screen mode not switchable to window or lower resolution?

BTW I like your avatar
@ bluewitchgames
 

Pajonk

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The question is - is the AI able to make good porn images with genitals in action. Haven't seen any good ones so far, it all looks odd to put it mildly. I guess there is no H scenes in this game and never will be? Just groping and fully clothed dames?
 

The_fallen_dragon

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just putting pen to paper wont make you an artist with any level of skill
I dont remember saying it did, in fact I'm quite sure i said you want to avoid doing the actual work to become one.

and if you think that way, be my guest you either have raw talent or worked at it for years.
Good thing i never said nor inferred that.

Not something that happens overnight, and if your a coder, why not work with what you know?
By all means go ahead, as long as you stick to using open source sampling pools and not just taking directly from google or worse directly from artist pages which majority if it does. And yes it does thus.


AI art isn't exactly like asking it to draw huge fuggin anime tiddies and poof out comes what you want.
I know exactly what it does, ive toyed with and tested it myself.

It takes a lot of work
And to get decent result it takes a lot of copyrighted works.


and some went back to using daz because it was easier than teaching an AI to draw.
Irrelevant to literally anything i said.

So If you think AI is a crutch, it goes right up there with daz, SFM, HS, or any other computer based art form. Deep down its all code unless your the one making the skeletons and textures and no one making games is doing that part.
False comparisons, daz/sfm/hs dont model for you, they dont rig it for you, they dont texture. And ontop of that THEY DONT complete and unfinished animation/scene/or model for you. You can put a sketch into dali etc it have it do everything for you, yes again ive done it before.
No thoufht of perspective, anatomy, and color theory was required so yes unlike the program you falsely compared them too you still require a human touch and knowledge. Yes ai is a crutch.


AI is just one more medium. Back in the day everyone bitched CGI would replace traditional art styles yet here we are with just one more tool in the toolbox.
Digital painting which is what im assuming you are specifically referencing required an understanding of traditional skills, so again another false equivalency. Ai isnt just one more medium, medium is tool you used as the basis for the creation.
 
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larrylaile1

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If you can't afford artist, what stopping you from picking up a pencil and drawing yourself? Pretending ai is magically giving a creative outlet is a downright lie when there is no barrier of entry to begin with. Anyone can pick up a number 2 pencil and some scratch paper and put lines down.

No what people want ai to do is replace the artist, they want the artist end result without having to spend the money or put in the time to get that result. It's a crutch not some great creativity equalizer
It's outright retarded to not use what tools you have that is convenient to you, if it so saves you time and effort. Much like how we rely on technologies to make things easier for ourselves. Should you stick with that silly ideology of yours, do not try to sick it on someone else; why don't you just toss out your PC and mobile devices and rely on primitive efforts for your life?

You understand that a lot of the technologies we use these days have essentially replaced the jobs/careers of many others (prior to the invention of something more convenient), and at the same time birthed many more different career opportunities that stemmed from said technologies as well. If something is so easily replicable by technology (or by other means), it is then naturally no longer necessary by the standards of our global growing society. In other words, you've become outdated and obsolete with that ego and thinking.
 
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The_fallen_dragon

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Just a note, there is a apology or two to you in here.


>No what people want ai to do is replace the artist


I don't see how this in any way disagrees with what he said.
Then you arent paying attention his literal first part of at he states that because one cant draw or pay for an artist there is some kind of barrier of entry to make a game. Which is already factually inaccurate, one of the biggest played games has some of the ugliest art ive ever seen... im looking at you minecraft. Hell this very site and rpg maker is a testiment to this.

Unless you are implying that the people trying to "replace the artist" do so from a place of malice,
which is obviously not true.
i didnt apply mental or emotional intent for a reason.


Yes, people want to "replace the artist" in the sense that it's a really useful tool that enables people to create the semblance of a finished product even if they have no interest in drawing as a creative outlet, or don't have the financial means to commission artists, or whatever x reason
Or dont want to spend funds on an individual to gain access to their skill set for various reasons. Nor have any care or concern for what actually goes into the creative process which is part of what makes the art, art.

Just like daz is a really useful tool that replaced the tasks of some 3dmodellers.
I love this false equivalency, daz doesnt (or didnt when i was back learning it) 3-d model or sculpt. You cannot stig a unrigged, un uv mapped square in daz, type a few prompts and have a fully rendered, rigged, and textures scene. Daz is a scene and rendering program. The fact you think they are equivalent is baffling. If this was a argument of say me being against digital painting was some bla bla to art then yes that comparison would be accurate.

Just like any other tool in the history of tools.
A tool doesnt steal to be a tool, ai is trained to be a replacement.

Yes, of course I feel bad for artists that feel that their lifeworks have been (partially) replaced
Stolen to train machines with little respect or concern or csre for the craft or the creator just the produc5 because that all those pretty pictures are to them, products, but continue.

by new tools, but if I had to fight that fight for everyone else who have seen their work transformed by technology too,
Having your work transformed and having it taken then watered its value down even more are two different things.

I'd be able to do very little in my life.
No one asked you to do anything or even told you to stop. While i can and will admit a part of my statement did go into "ai generate pictures bad", ill never call it art, ill put down my pencil and throw away the decade of study and threw decades of drawing before i ever do that. My point was, ai isnt some.hreat magical barrier destroyer into creativity. There is no barrier of entry, well outside the ohvious needing a computer but even then we as children created games long before computers were a thing and claiming otherwise is a lie. So i will apologize to you, because i didnt intend to go into the whole ai art argument but im too use to it ar this point.

If it's any comfort, I've spent half of the Patreon proceeds so far to commission things from artists, so at least something goes back.
I nees no comfort as i was neither attacking, coming at, or calling you out for using ai. As i cannot and will not control someone else's pencil. I will not nor cannot tell you qhat you can or cant do or pay some kind of artist reparations. I again thag was not my attentionbut i did let it happen ao i apologize.

Besides, with the direction things are headed, I'm next on the chopping block. We're not very far from tools that will enable artists to generate games at will, which they will be able to populate with their art. I've a feeling that these will sell better than the current situation of the other way around (until we're all replaced and there are just consumers and the overlord class)
This is a romanticized idea in actuality it will destroy any growth or even interest in these crafts. Because you remove the incentive or will to improve. I find it intriguing how humans have this constant urge to remove growth and improvement from ourselve. Why would one borher learning a skill or trade when it can be done faster with less effort from a machine?

And it doesnt stop with just art and you are right we are not the first. There are white collar jobs that got hit before us and we said nothing because we believe a machine could never do what we do. But it also wont stop with us. Why bother learning to code when an ai given its own code can code itself faster and more efficiently, or anyrhing of that matter.

But i guess this is how we reach that hreat filter.
 

The_fallen_dragon

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It's outright retarded to not use what tools you have that is convenient to you, if it so saves you time and effort.
Yep, all those retarded people who try to learn archery when a gun is more convient.

All those retarded people who still use paddle boats when a motor boat is more convient.

All us retarded traditionalist who still use oils, gauche, acrylics, and water colors when digital painting is more convient ans faster... we are all just retarded.


Much like how we rely on technologies to make things easier for ourselves.
Half true, most people realy on technologies because it is all they have every and never knew anything different. Just like how majority of people only know, "food comes from the grocery store" and dont know a single thing about farming hunting, or forging. The grocery store is not jusg more convient its all they have ever been introduced too. Hell samething is true about technology, when i learned how to desifn websites, before we ever even opened up dream weaver, we had to learn how to build one using only notepad. Dream weaver was more convient, but it was pointless if you didnt actually understand what you were doing and aweing underneath the hood.

But hey, we have already seen that the world is filled with people willing to even give up their own freedom for a manicure of convience.

Should you stick with that silly ideology of yours, do not try to sick it on someone else;
Didnt sick anything on anyone but please, continue with har har its better because easier... no wait, dont because out of respect for the op, i wont continue this here but feel free to dm me.


why don't you just toss out your PC and mobile devices and rely on primitive efforts for your life?
Dont ever remember saying beint against technology but please, dont let facts stop your logical fallacy.

You understand that a lot of the technologies we use these days have essentially replaced the jobs/careers of many others (prior to the invention of something more convenient), and at the same time birthed many more different career opportunities that stemmed from said technologies as well. If something is so easily replicable by technology (or by other means), it is then naturally no longer necessary by the standards of our global growing society. In other words, you've become outdated with that ego.
Little to nothing to do with what i actually said, just some argument against what you imagine i said or think.
 

PaulX

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While disregarding the hard efforts of the original artists and fucking over their labor. More people being able to express themselves is good but there has to be a more ethical way to do this. As a fellow artist recognizing my peers's art/artstyles being used without their consent is an unpleasant sight nonetheless.

I wish the best to the devs and the game looks promising but I can't stomach playing this game as it goes against my morals.
LMAO , morals ? Clueless kid
 
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