VN Ren'Py Zero End [v0.2.5c] [Stolen Rose]

[oidex]

*sigh*
Swansong, baby, can you just chill the fuck out for one episode? How are we supposed to invite these people to our wedding if you keep beating the holy snot out of them?

 

[MississippiQueen]

Soooo... I don't think, it's the mod.
I can't replicate the error and I didn't edit any lines, that could cause this.

https://f95zone.to/threads/zero-end-v0-2-5c-stolen-rose.137720/post-17399963

In this post the dev says, that reloading an older save seems to fix this bug.

To me it looks like the bug is cause by these files.
File "C:\Users\chris\Desktop\AVNs\ZeroEnd-0.2.5c-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 834, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "C:\Users\chris\Desktop\AVNs\ZeroEnd-0.2.5c-pc\renpy\python.py", line 1187, in py_exec_bytecode
exec(bytecode, globals, locals)

Maybe a fresh download might fix it aswell.
Sorry, but that's all I can do for you.

Reloading older save did not solve the problem. I think its the mod because I went through the free roam part without any problems in my modless save.

 

[NoobNoob-]

Reloading older save did not solve the problem. I think its the mod because I went through the free roam part without any problems in my modless save.

I think/hoped I fixed it. Just updated the mod and it should work with any save before the free roam.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Pls let me know, if it works now.

 

[DarkDemon]

I think/hoped I fixed it. Just updated the mod and it should work with any save before the free roam.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Pls let me know, if it works now.

i dont think you havent uploaded the updated mod because the post says last edit was saturday

 

[mahligl]

Spoiler: Арсенальное классическое?..

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Alright, now I'm confused. That's the first time I ever saw someone named Brandon drinking something by Балтика brewery. Game-dev moves in mysterious ways.

 

[NoobNoob-]

i dont think you havent uploaded the updated mod because the post says last edit was saturday

Nah... don't worry, I did. Just downloaded the mod to check and it's the right one.
Maybe it didn't "edit" the post, because I just swapped files and not write anything.

 

[_Sen _]

The two shots of Marie in the Ceremony of Sorrow ending were so well done. Stolen_rose, really loved the way you portrayed her shock, disbelief, and melancholy in that moment. And the accompanying soundtrack was beautiful!

Already have Chapter 1 on Steam, will get Chapter 2 whenever it drops. The best dark urban fantasy AVN on here.

 

[Monk3yHang3r86]

Nah... don't worry, I did. Just downloaded the mod to check and it's the right one.
Maybe it didn't "edit" the post, because I just swapped files and not write anything.

Its working for me now NoobNoob- Thanks

 

[Requah]

I have save files before the new Update but it's with Walkthrough mod. So when I Try safe start without mod, I still got this Error.

I think you need a save without the mod. But it looks like the walkthrough mod creator has updated the walkthrough mod so it should hopefully work now if you download the WT mod again and patch it thats what im gonna do anyway hope it works.

 

[xceratxx]

I think you need a save without the mod. But it looks like the walkthrough mod creator has updated the walkthrough mod so it should hopefully work now if you download the WT mod again and patch it thats what im gonna do anyway hope it works.

Thank you for your support. I just download again and it's working now

 

[mruggeri2]

Is Lillith going to be lewdable at some point? She is so hot and surprisingly "wholesome" that I just want to fuck all versions of her...

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

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You keep treating Caleb's earlier detachment as if it's rational and valid, but dismiss his later reflection as emotional instability. That's cherry-picking whatever version of him fits your argument in the moment.

If your argument ends with "Daniel death was a positive by any measure" then you're not just arguing with me, you're rejecting the entire emotional and moral framework of the story. Marie is shattered. Caleb is broken. Nobody "won". If that's your idea of a positive outcome, it's not Caleb's and it's not the game's.

You've said yourself your perspective is different from Caleb's. So stop pretending you're explaining his thinking. You're using him to justify your own. The character doesn't even believe what you're saying.

Unless I'm mistaken with the chronology, that event was the trigger for his self loathing that even led to his suicide attempt later.

The game makes it very clear that both of them are broken at present time, but also paints a very different picture in the flashbacks. I'm not throwing that version under the bus. I'm throwing the version we see now, he's obviously way more unstable at present.

Caleb didn't reflect on his actions before his suicide attempt, his emotional collapse happened because of what he did and how Marie responded.

You're conflating Caleb's self-loathing with his moral reflection, but those are not the same thing and they don't happen at the same time.

Killing Daniel and losing Marie broke him. That's where the suicide attempt and self-loathing come in.

The trial with the Dweller is something else entirely. That's when Caleb actually tries to understand what happened and what it means for him. That's not emotional instability - that's clarity and growth.

The flashback isn't just memories from the past. They're being re-examined by the Caleb who stands in front of the Dweller, in the present moment. Not the Caleb before or after his suicide attempt.

The trial isn't about punishing himself or adding another weight of guilt. It's a liberating act. He judges himself to understand, to accept, and to move forward.

And the Dweller doesn't expose universal truths. It reflects the inner world of the person standing before it. Otherwise it would be meaningless because different people carry different values, fears, and regrets.

Which means Caleb’s conclusions are his own and for him only.

Da "You can't break those chains, you can't escape them, they'll always grow right back. And you'll never be rid of me. I'm always there, and I will crush your will, break your mind."
C "I won't ever be rid of you, that much I know. And I won't move on until I face you either. But you're mistaken if you think you have power over me. I know who you are, Dweller on the Threshold. I know your name and I know when you were born. So walk with me, show me my greatest fear. Show me the evil inside me."
Da "You'll break."
C "No, you will. You will fold, you will break, and then you will serve. And I will bring us to victory."

...

C "This is your name, monster. This is the darkest side of me. Dweller on the Threshold, I name you. Dweller on the Threshold, you are not my enemy. You are my strength."
Da "Who are you? Who stands before me now?"
C "I am Caleb Watson. I am the King of Swords."

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And my issue isn't that he can't live with it normally like a complete psycho. Carrying it as a burden is expected. Condemning his decision and treating it like a mistake, when we haven't seen anything that indicates that, is what I have an issue with. It didn't kill his relationship (already dead and buried). It didn't cause her resentment that led to the soulcrafting (she was already resenting and ghosting him).

From your cause-and-effect view, Daniel's death didn't worsen anything that hadn't already been broken. But you're approaching this like it's a cost-benefit equation, when the story is about emotional and moral complexity, not just outcomes.

Caleb's breakdown and guilt don't just happen. They're a direct consequence of the murder. He later says it was a mistake not only because Marie changed her mind about him, but because he wasn't someone who could carry that weight. He tried to solve his pain with violence and it shattered him further.

"The sound when a body hits the ground... There's some things that stay with you, no matter how much time passes. And that sound has been with me in my nightmares since. And I think it was that sound that broke the spell. You ever had one of those dreams that are so horrible, you wake up and are like thank fuck it was just a dream? It was the opposite of that. Realization fell over me like a cold shower. I had just made Daniel kill himself. What happened after is a blur. I vaguely remember bits and pieces. But I do have one moment. I don't remember taking it, but I remember reaching into his pack of cigarettes and lighting one with shaky fingers."

A positive by any measure, huh?

I've played through this game four times and I've never seen any sign that Caleb from the flashbacks with Marie and Daniel is able to come to terms with the murder.

You're treating the relationship as this binary thing: either it's alive or dead, and if it's dead, anything that follows is irrelevant. But grief and guilt don't follow logic like that. Even if Caleb believed it was over (a big if, because you're projecting your conclusion onto him), the point is he eventually realized he was wrong, not about Marie's trauma or her behavior, but about assuming the relationship was dead, and thinking revenge would somehow give him closure.

You don't have to agree with the message, but it's clear the game does see his action as a mistake, not just because of Marie's response, but because of how Caleb carries it, how it distorts his sense of self, and how it poisons his potential relationships. He made a very destructive choice in a moment of pain and he's living with the consequences.

I mean he keeps trying to kill himself via suicide mission, it's no secret...

He wasn't trying to kill himself while infiltrating the mansion, he expected to die there. It wasn't a reckless act of self-destruction like his suicide attempt after Marie left him. It was a purposeful act of redemption, a fight to stop the cult and free Marie.

 

[Maevos]

I have 3 theories about the whole rape story.

1. Marie is not telling the entire truth.

2. Stolen Rose doesn't understand how painful and traumatic getting raped is. Imagine having a hard rod getting shoved up your anus. No lube, nothing. It's similar to a virgin girl getting raped. No arousal therefore no wetness and a tight vaginal canal. I can understand the initial shock but not making a peep or resisting during an ongoing rape? Either her tolerance for pain is off the charts or it's just bad writing.

3. Daniel had a micropenis and Marie didn't feel anything.

Pick your poison.

 

[Melody Is Dead]

I have 3 theories about the whole rape story.

1. Marie is not telling the entire truth.

2. Stolen Rose doesn't understand how painful and traumatic getting raped is. Imagine having a hard rod getting shoved up your anus. No lube, nothing. It's similar to a virgin girl getting raped. No arousal therefore no wetness and a tight vaginal canal. I can understand the initial shock but not making a peep or resisting during an ongoing rape? Either her tolerance for pain is off the charts or it's just bad writing.

3. Daniel had a micropenis and Marie didn't feel anything.

Pick your poison.

1.

2. Wtf mate?

3.

I think you missed a few possibilites. Given those choices... there is no choice.

 

[Crosaith.]

And that's exactly why my view is different from the one imposed on MC by the writer. Assuming MC knows no more than what we saw in those flashbacks, there was absolutely nothing wrong with declaring that relationship dead.

He was resented and pushed away like he was the one who raped her. That's a relationship killer right there. That being the result of trauma is irrelevant. Some people deal with trauma in way that doesn't royally fuck up their relationship with their loved ones. Others don't and end up doing just that. From everything we saw, she was the latter.

Unless we see why it was a mistake to think that dead relationship as dead, I can only take his admission as yet another indication this dude is a self-loathing weirdo with a martyr complex. Which absolutely checks out in terms of his overall characterization.

I really hope you're wrong about the "self-loathing weirdo with a martyr complex" thing. I remember bein fucking annoyed by a martyr protag in one Sanderson's series and ended dropping it.

Just lemme romance Swan or Silver and go full Durge once ina while.

 

[NoMansMind]

interesting game but, man! the women in this game really make it easy to say no.
the black lips miss (as in opposing to "hit". never!)
the bitch...
the blue haired bartender (of course!)

"just like you!"
would have been the correct answer. not interested! not in the slightest!
I said "yes" on the forth option (the fear of missing out)
but, yeah, sex (or feasible options) is not the strong point of this game (for me)
but I'm still playing, so something is working...

 

[AL.d]

You keep treating Caleb's earlier detachment as if it's rational and valid, but dismiss his later reflection as emotional instability. That's cherry-picking whatever version of him fits your argument in the moment.

If your argument ends with "Daniel death was a positive by any measure" then you're not just arguing with me, you're rejecting the entire emotional and moral framework of the story. Marie is shattered. Caleb is broken. Nobody "won". If that's your idea of a positive outcome, it's not Caleb's and it's not the game's.

You've said yourself your perspective is different from Caleb's. So stop pretending you're explaining his thinking. You're using him to justify your own. The character doesn't even believe what you're saying.



Caleb didn't reflect on his actions before his suicide attempt, his emotional collapse happened because of what he did and how Marie responded.

You're conflating Caleb's self-loathing with his moral reflection, but those are not the same thing and they don't happen at the same time.

Killing Daniel and losing Marie broke him. That's where the suicide attempt and self-loathing come in.

The trial with the Dweller is something else entirely. That's when Caleb actually tries to understand what happened and what it means for him. That's not emotional instability - that's clarity and growth.

The flashback isn't just memories from the past. They're being re-examined by the Caleb who stands in front of the Dweller, in the present moment. Not the Caleb before or after his suicide attempt.

The trial isn't about punishing himself or adding another weight of guilt. It's a liberating act. He judges himself to understand, to accept, and to move forward.

And the Dweller doesn't expose universal truths. It reflects the inner world of the person standing before it. Otherwise it would be meaningless because different people carry different values, fears, and regrets.

Which means Caleb’s conclusions are his own and for him only.

Da "You can't break those chains, you can't escape them, they'll always grow right back. And you'll never be rid of me. I'm always there, and I will crush your will, break your mind."
C "I won't ever be rid of you, that much I know. And I won't move on until I face you either. But you're mistaken if you think you have power over me. I know who you are, Dweller on the Threshold. I know your name and I know when you were born. So walk with me, show me my greatest fear. Show me the evil inside me."
Da "You'll break."
C "No, you will. You will fold, you will break, and then you will serve. And I will bring us to victory."

...

C "This is your name, monster. This is the darkest side of me. Dweller on the Threshold, I name you. Dweller on the Threshold, you are not my enemy. You are my strength."
Da "Who are you? Who stands before me now?"
C "I am Caleb Watson. I am the King of Swords."

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From your cause-and-effect view, Daniel's death didn't worsen anything that hadn't already been broken. But you're approaching this like it's a cost-benefit equation, when the story is about emotional and moral complexity, not just outcomes.

Caleb's breakdown and guilt don't just happen. They're a direct consequence of the murder. He later says it was a mistake not only because Marie changed her mind about him, but because he wasn't someone who could carry that weight. He tried to solve his pain with violence and it shattered him further.

"The sound when a body hits the ground... There's some things that stay with you, no matter how much time passes. And that sound has been with me in my nightmares since. And I think it was that sound that broke the spell. You ever had one of those dreams that are so horrible, you wake up and are like thank fuck it was just a dream? It was the opposite of that. Realization fell over me like a cold shower. I had just made Daniel kill himself. What happened after is a blur. I vaguely remember bits and pieces. But I do have one moment. I don't remember taking it, but I remember reaching into his pack of cigarettes and lighting one with shaky fingers."

A positive by any measure, huh?

I've played through this game four times and I've never seen any sign that Caleb from the flashbacks with Marie and Daniel is able to come to terms with the murder.

You're treating the relationship as this binary thing: either it's alive or dead, and if it's dead, anything that follows is irrelevant. But grief and guilt don't follow logic like that. Even if Caleb believed it was over (a big if, because you're projecting your conclusion onto him), the point is he eventually realized he was wrong, not about Marie's trauma or her behavior, but about assuming the relationship was dead, and thinking revenge would somehow give him closure.

You don't have to agree with the message, but it's clear the game does see his action as a mistake, not just because of Marie's response, but because of how Caleb carries it, how it distorts his sense of self, and how it poisons his potential relationships. He made a very destructive choice in a moment of pain and he's living with the consequences.

He wasn't trying to kill himself while infiltrating the mansion, he expected to die there. It wasn't a reckless act of self-destruction like his suicide attempt after Marie left him. It was a purposeful act of redemption, a fight to stop the cult and free Marie.

I'm pretty sure I've already expressed my disagreement with how dev views Daniel's death. I just make arguments about what the game has shown about the events that makes me disagree. You don't have to convince me of MC's in-game viewpoint. I know. I just don't like it and I expressed why, according to what the game has shown us.

It's not the first nor the last time a writer has completely different perspective about the story and the characters they write, from what the audience sees. And usually in games where you get to control a character's choices, it creates a disconnect when they think the exact opposite way from you.

I would bet that if you made a poll about Daniel's death, after seen all the flashbacks, the majority of players would still answer it was the right thing to do. Caleb is written to treat it like the most despicable act a man can ever commit. Even present Marie, who has been a bona fide tyrant destroying lives left and right, says something along the lines "I've never done anything as bad as what you did". That something being getting rid of her rapist. And that insane viewpoint seems to be accepted and propagated by the game. This is where the disconnect is and why me and quite a few others are pointing it out.

 

[Ikalkeki]

or Silver

Yes, hot ancient vampire lady FTW! Give me more of her and I'll die a happy man.

 

[xceratxx]

this update was crazy. holy sh!t dude. this is some f*cking inception level mind f*cking story. well done Stolen_rose

 

[Antherak]

Found this game not long ago and finished it. I think it was a nice change of pace from all those college setting games and the darker occult themes gave a good mood to the game. I don't know if im right, but the game gives the feeling that there is only 2 LI in the game (keira / rayne) and everyone else is treated like side content. I first tried Keira, but she started annoying me a bunch after a while with her single track mindset so i restarted with raYNE and i liked it. I would have tried an alice route also as i liked her, but now with how this chapter ends, im not so sure if im just gonna waste my time doing that.

I was dissapointed that there is so much content exclusivity in the way that for example you choose 1 out of 3 scenes and thats it. You miss on a lot of the content as well exp and stats gains. You pretty much have to choose from the start one and only one girl and stick with her everytime or you even miss on her content not having accumulated enough points. Which brings me to stats and deities. It is an awful system, or its awfully implemented. There is way too many god choices to pick and they are almost inconsequantial choices included to make you feel good having picked the right one for a situation, and i have rarely seen more than a single changed choice/action until now with any choices ive picked in now 2 full chapters. As for the stats, either just have like 3 of them (str, int, end) that you can actually build or choose which one on level up instead of a whole ton of them that, unless you use a WT to min-max, you mostly fail all the stat checks due to not having the right stat or not high enough. Its very un-satisfying to fail almost all the time. I remember my first fight with swallowsong, it was a miserable experience. Speaking of which, just go away swallow, im tired of you. One time for nostalgia's sake was nice seeing the classic voerman malkavian, but it's become a running gag now.

Also from the writing style and tought process, im inclined to say a women wrote that story. Revenge seems to be considered the utmost and vile action in this game, even higher than murder, rape, torture and betrayal. I cant wait to see how the keira situation will be handled. She basically spits on everything she believed, betray her family and discards her lover depending on who you picked, all for the sake of revenge. She should become the biggest monster of them all now and have all the hate. She will become exactly what she hates. For her revenge, she is giving her free will and will now be cursed to kill tons of people for blood instead of just, for example, asking for one of the lets say multitude of mages on school grounds to help bind or incapacitates swallowsong to allow her the kill. Also, that hunter cult is kinda scammy. Either you are picked as a low level cannon fodder grunt that is basically a stronger faster and regenerating but regular human, or you can be OP as fuck, depends on the luck of the draw. Cant wait now for her hunter god to be pissed and to send her brother to be the one to hunt her.

As for the marie situation, i absolutely believe she's not saying the true story of what happened. I think either the endless was already involved in the background with her back then, like lilith and the mc, and she probably had a vision or knew it would happen to her. External influences are high on my theories. Like lilith said, it is an extremely rare occurence that adams and eves get separated once they find each other, hence my suspicions about external foul play. We are still missing on when and how marie moved on from her rape episode and got in he cult and why. We also have no details from the contract between the endless and vindictus. Usually for marie to be sold, she would have had to agree to the pact, the same as she needs caleb to agree to pass it on him, and i dont think vindictus used the word of the emperor, as i think that its what he gained from said contract. And usually, contracts can be broken. As for her state of mind. In the past, did she really love the mc? no sex, no nudity, no kisses, nothing but her getting close and extracting all the magical training and knowledge she could from caleb. As for the present it is obvious some event happened at some point that changed her. Now she is calculation, evil and very cruel and as no pity or remorse. She absolutely stages the mc coming to the school to pass the eye on him. She uses poor alice for fuckery and schemes to manipulate the mc towards a precise direction. The sight was ripped from odette and put in alice forcefully. By whom? and when? Then she tongue lock her to make sure she doesnt tell. She tried to stealthily compel him to be her slave. She uses all his friends as sacrifices. She kills innocents without remorse. And she destroys alice, almost with joy, just to get petty revenge againt the mc for outsmarting her, instead of just being honest about what calebs request would entail and work toward another agreeable solution.

Seeing as its 2 of 4, i assume its gonna be geared towards the endless will posses marie and the gang gonna have to find a way to kill it, while the mc will probably be stubborn and still waste his time trying to save her hurting everyone else in the process. Still a very enjoyable experience. Also, who's the last sex scene in the ch2 gallery with? I can make the other ones i dont have but i dont recognize the girl as the image is difficult to see with the blackish colors.