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Can't Kenko just rename the Balrog to its original inspiration in case there'll ever be legal trouble regarding copyright? It's not like Tolkien owns norse mythology. This is nothing to worry over.
He'll need to be made aware it's a problem first, which he might not know. KC also ignores all messages sent to him in english so... it might be difficult to make him aware.
 

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Dungeons and Dragons actually got sued by Tolkien's estate for this exact reason. They had used 'Balrogs' in their early books, and had to change the name of their fiery creatures to 'Balor' instead. So yes, if Kenko isn't careful, he could face legal action, especially if he intends to sell his Balrog commercially in some way.

Interesting case that, the Tolkien estate actually tried to sue DnD for the use of dragon, elf, dwarf, ent, goblin, orc, hobbit, warg, and balrog. As a result, all except ent, hobbit, and balrog officially became public domain.
 
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hexkitty01

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Really?

Well damn... then you might actually be seeing a problem from Kenkou in the future ngl.

The other girls are all public domain like why Shin Megami Tensei can include them as demons.
Including a hyper specific monster like Balrog might get him in trouble though.

He probably doesn't realize it. When doing Krampus and Bogey he was just thinking of "Monsters from other countries." USA addition.
In fact, his Chinese series monsters were a big hit after all. They're very popular.

I feel like extending from that mindset and including Balrog makes logical sense w/o him perceiving how recent that is.
Bear in mind, intellectual property law is a complex field, but it generally centers around recognizable archetype/characters, and their uniqueness. The dev would likely run afoul of DC's legal department if he tried to make a "Superman" or "Batman" monster girl, even if they looked nothing like the DC characters, but common monster names like "werewolf" or "mummy" or even "kaiju" are fair game. I doubt anyone "owns" Krampus or the Boogeyman, although some dips**ts might try to make those claims (based on movies with these characters in them, for example), and most of Kenkou's monster girls are general types (succubi, imps, nekomata, etc). He should be fine as long as he watches out for specific names / images.

I used to write fiction, so I had to learn the basics of IP law to keep my own @$$ out of trouble. Some companies/IP holders are OK with some adaptations (fanfics, for instance), some have limitations (esp. of fanfics), and some are downright dickheads (looking your way DC, Disney, et al).
 

hexkitty01

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Dungeons and Dragons actually got sued by Tolkien's estate for this exact reason. They had used 'Balrogs' in their early books, and had to change the name of their fiery creatures to 'Balor' instead. So yes, if Kenko isn't careful, he could face legal action, especially if he intends to sell his Balrog commercially in some way.

Interesting case that, the Tolkien estate actually tried to sue DnD for the use of dragon, elf, dwarf, ent, goblin, orc, hobbit, warg, and balrog. As a result, all except ent, hobbit, and balrog officially became public domain.
Ha ha, yeah, I remember that s**t. Tolkein's people somehow thought he owned all mythological creatures. But hobbit at least WAS a name he invented, and therefore they had a good argument on that one.
 
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Dungeons and Dragons actually got sued by Tolkien's estate for this exact reason.
That's great to hear, fuck Wizards of the Coast.
Though will they really immediately sue a freelance artist? I get it with DnD, it's an actual corporation with money to be made, but I doubt they wouldn't first try and make Kenko aware of his copyright infringement. Still, that might change once you bring Japanese law into this. No idea if they're more or less stringent, considering that, on one hand, Nintendo exists and keeps raiding fan creators' homes with SWAT teams, yet on the other, we have a giant doujin artist scene that is known for earning money off of already established franchises with no license to do so.
 

hexkitty01

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That's great to hear, fuck Wizards of the Coast.
Though will they really immediately sue a freelance artist? I get it with DnD, it's an actual corporation with money to be made, but I doubt they wouldn't first try and make Kenko aware of his copyright infringement. Still, that might change once you bring Japanese law into this. No idea if they're more or less stringent, considering that, on one hand, Nintendo exists and keeps raiding fan creators' homes with SWAT teams, yet on the other, we have a giant doujin artist scene that is known for earning money off of already established franchises with no license to do so.
Sadly, this was long before Hasbro / WotC, 'cuz yeah, screw them. As for an IP owner suing... well, some of them are notorious for that. But again, probably not an issue for Kenkou unless he wants to delve into things that ARE owned (I heard someone say "balrog" earlier, that would be a mistake).
 
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When you finish the demo, you hear from the succubus that you have friends that were looking for you. That means that you have a history in that world.
They're only implied to be your friends. Or rather, possibly know you. Nothing concrete.

Questions like, "who owns that house and why is the MC just... using it so casually?"
"why didn't the shopkeeper try and help MC reconnect with his friends earlier?"
etc etc...
Basically all the guys in the starting area somehow woke up in that area and don't know how they got that there. None of the locals know them. I think it's also implied that all the men woke up in that house too.

That being said though, it's a KC story. Seriously don't think about it too much or your brain's gonna hurt.

All his stories break down if you actually think about them.
You're shitting on him, but all the things you point to as examples of bad writing are things that have definitive answers to them in-game. You either just didn't remember them or didn't pay attention.

And even putting that aside, acting like the writing's bad because you don't get all the answers in a very brief demo is ridiculous.

Or more simply, he already has the scent of 3 girls on him by that point in the story.
White Succubus, Werecat, and Imp.
No. The reason it's significant and they address it is because the mc has the scents of other girls on him, even before he hooks up with the Imp and Werecat. Of course he has those two on him since they hooked up, the reason they point it out is because they still felt it was okay to claim him themselves despite him already being marked, which isn't how it works in this setting. It's the game pointing out that somehow you're going to be able to form a harem despite the MGE-verse basically being monogamy-exclusive.

god dammit why did this have to be abandoned :(
It's not abandoned, f95 just has a dumb system that automatically decided it is. KC's been working on this game for years and I doubt he'll ever really drop it since it's his passion project.
 

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...able to form a harem despite the MGE-verse basically being monogamy-exclusive.
I'm gonna stop you right there, first off; Bicorn who is said to be "it’s in their nature to prefer a polygamous harem arrangement where their husband has many monsters as wives" secondly, Kenko himself said in a Q&A when asked how someone can have multiple monsters he answered "Make a bicorn your wife, or do your best to be liked by multiple monster girls at the same time! In the latter case, you need a certain amount of guts, grit, effort, and mental strength. However, it is better to tell them that you have a desire for a harem. If you go around saying "You're the only one" to monster girls, they'll be able to tell by smell and mana, and they will get angry too lol"

That said, yes. the unique thing about our MC in this game is that he has the smell of someone who is claimed by a monster, yet hasn't had sex with any monster at the start of the game, only a bit of fondling from the Lillim. i mean, just walk up to the succubus thats looking around at the town square, if you take her offer, she says she'd love to, but you seem to be claimed already.
 
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They're only implied to be your friends. Or rather, possibly know you. Nothing concrete.
They're actively asking people about you, but I agree.

Since the protagonist is a silent protagonist, we can't clearly feel the distance between them.
I'm gonna go off the strong assumption they're your friends though, since it's hinted that you're gonna go try to find them as your first goal.

Basically all the guys in the starting area somehow woke up in that area and don't know how they got that there. None of the locals know them. I think it's also implied that all the men woke up in that house too.
Then they would all be living there together, and yet only the MC uses it as his base. In fact when you buy the mana equipment, it's said it's for your home which the MC just casually claims then?

It's more implied that they just woke up in that part of the demon world. Not specifically that house, which is why most of them live in the Inn.

No. The reason it's significant and they address it is because the mc has the scents of other girls on him, even before he hooks up with the Imp and Werecat. Of course he has those two on him since they hooked up, the reason they point it out is because they still felt it was okay to claim him themselves despite him already being marked, which isn't how it works in this setting. It's the game pointing out that somehow you're going to be able to form a harem despite the MGE-verse basically being monogamy-exclusive.
I wasn't responding to any statements about significance, but just clarifying on the direct fact of him having multiple monster girl scents on him by that point in the story.
You're shitting on him, but all the things you point to as examples of bad writing are things that have definitive answers to them in-game. You either just didn't remember them or didn't pay attention.

And even putting that aside, acting like the writing's bad because you don't get all the answers in a very brief demo is ridiculous.
Yes, this is my experience with anything he writes.

Everything exists in a nebulous state so that it could be pleasing to anyone's fantasies, but because of that there are no definitive answers when it comes to anything.

Like... what happens if an evil man decides to rape one of the weaker monster girls. It's said that "most" humans can't be "most" monster girls, but Dragon's mating ritual is predicated on her getting her ass beat by a powerful man. With the existence of Heroes we know full well that powerful individuals exist in that world too. If you had like a bandit king go rape a werebat or something, would the werebat fall in love. Could he then create an army of loyal monster girls to then take down stronger monster girls.

Questions like that can't really get answered by the setting because it hyper relies on the men being decent, or if not that, monstergirls being able to turn their men decent.

Or if you read Fallen Maidens, you'd see how crazy some of the developments in that setting are.

If you think about his writing too deeply it breaks down.
The nebulous aura around the monster girl descriptions meaning any girl can have any personality and any disposition if you want means it's kinda moot to talk about favorites in terms of personality affinities too.

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I'm saying all this as a fan of the series btw, cause I see the appeal in the concept. It's kind of a way I try to help newbies trying to enjoy the media more accurately step back from delving too deep into it. Because I don't think it's meant to be consumed on that level.
 

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I'm saying all this as a fan of the series btw, cause I see the appeal in the concept. It's kind of a way I try to help newbies trying to enjoy the media more accurately step back from delving too deep into it. Because I don't think it's meant to be consumed on that level.
I've said this before in this thread I think but the best way I can describe it is that I think he kinda does wants you to take the work seriously as a setting. But at the same time most of the stuff he writes is written in a way were if you don't read it with the expectation that it's a fetish work meant to appeal to those specific fetishes then you'll run into issues with how the world is described to us. Like for example if a monster has the ability to mind control you aren't really meant to think about how she could abuse that, as it's just meant to be a monster girl to appeal to people with a mind control fetish and you have to assume it's always consensual.
 

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my understanding is that its writen that way so its more of a framework the reader would fill in with their own head canon which both elevates and increases enjoyment of the world. though since its one guy writing this its probs just didn't get there and or it doesn't really matter, either way it works out in the setting as the unknown is great for engagement and what people think it works like
 

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It's the game pointing out that somehow you're going to be able to form a harem despite the MGE-verse basically being monogamy-exclusive.
Besides the Bicorn who will actively look to make it so her husband gets a harem (btw, Bicorns can be born from other Bicorns, so not all are the result of having sex with a man who had had sex with another monster girl), there's also special cases, like in the fallen maidens, where the guy had multiple human girls interested in him, and when the girls were monsterized, they all became his wives. There's also that text in the houri entry, about a saint having over 70 houri wives. Khepri monster girls tend to form harems around their husband, as Khepri work better in groups, to serve him, and create a plane for him. Werewolves also tend to work in packs, and can get a husband integrated into their pack. Husbands of Nurarihyons who become incubi can also gain a certain "charm" which will seduce other yokai-type monster girls. Harems could maybe even reach the triple digits, for special enough individuals.
 
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i've never really had the opportunity to ask anyone in the community this kinda thing, but how does KC get away with putting stuff like this in the MGE books? they're fairly well-known books being published for profit, and the balrog is just a creature from LotR. it's not the first monster girl like this by any means, so are they just flying under the radar or what? i can't imagine they're getting the copyright holders to sign off on it.
The name Balrog is not copyrighted, simply put. There's multiple games that use it as a name for characters or bosses without any issue. Even a region on Pluto is named Balrog.
 

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Also to be honest I would just consider two options:

1. MGERPG is not canon to the main MGE timeline / universe.
2. The encyclopedia is not completely correct about details.

There's some monsters such as the sandworm or even the alraune, since the MC would get captured and trapped, causing a game over, causing the story to get stuck. So I just suspend disbelief and assume MGERPG doesn't completely play by the rules, and also that a lot of the MGE pages contain hyperbolic information.
 
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Also to be honest I would just consider two options:

1. MGERPG is not canon to the main MGE timeline / universe.
2. The encyclopedia is not completely correct about details.

There's some monsters such as the sandworm or even the alraune, since the MC would get captured and trapped, causing a game over, causing the story to get stuck. So I just suspend disbelief and assume MGERPG doesn't completely play by the rules, and also that a lot of the MGE pages contain hyperbolic information.
That's why I say not to think too much about it, or else it'll break down. I don't think KC wants his fans to think that deeply on his work.
 

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There's some monsters such as the sandworm or even the alraune, since the MC would get captured and trapped, causing a game over, causing the story to get stuck.
There are ways in the setting to deal with those (apart from actual fate-manipulation/reality-manipulation from our future lilim waifu). For example, if our MC gets their hands on some raging mushrooms, his mana will temporarily weaken those monster girls while they fuck, and lets him dominate them. Those MGs are able to walk normally by using magic, if they have enough mana, which as they're getting a supply from an incubus who has multiple wives (so, he'd be pretty overloaded), they would be easily able to walk on land just fine.
Even abyssal MGs could be covered in setting, with everything we've read now about the setting.
 
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