VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

[dan_roger69]

And eventually SG too

But yeah I'm 99% done with this one. It's not 100% yet because we're a year out from the next release and something can still change but considering it's Ocean...I doubt it

You should become an AVN developer as you'll always find some issues with all AVN games.

 

[RNasc4444]

Oh I was forgetting

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You should become an AVN developer as you'll always find some issues with all AVN games.

Not enough time. Not enough skill. Not enough creativity.

I don't think I'm that bad even. The only 2 games that were crushing disappointments and actually bothered me quite a bit are SG and Chasing Sunsets. These 2 really hurt. Everything else I've played/am playing is mostly fine.

 

[Turret]

Since it seems to be Tierlists time:
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SG

 

[dan_roger69]

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Not enough time. Not enough skill. Not enough creativity.

I don't think I'm that bad even. The only 2 games that were crushing disappointments and actually bothered me quite a bit are SG and Chasing Sunsets. These 2 really hurt. Everything else I've played/am playing is mostly fine.

Please list the ones you like so that I can bitch about what is wrong with them .

 

[alain8891]

The only 2 games that were crushing disappointments and actually bothered me quite a bit are SG and Chasing Sunsets. These 2 really hurt. Everything else I've played/am playing is mostly fine.

Wait...Chasing Sunsets is a crushing disappointment to you?
Damn, your standards are really high then.
I consider CS to be one of the best out there, currently beta-testing for the Epilogue coming out in a few days, maybe you should give it one final try when it's out...

 

[RNasc4444]

Please list the ones you like so that I can bitch about what is wrong with them .

No! Maybe I'll list a couple in the offtopic thread so you cna have some fun haha

Wait...Chasing Sunsets is a crushing disappointment to you?
Damn, your standards are really high then.
I consider CS to be one of the best out there, currently beta-testing for the Epilogue coming out in a few days, maybe you should give it one final try when it's out...

Mostly because of how rushed it was. Everything after getting to Tonalu just felt like the devs only wanted to be done with it.

 

[ImSundeX]

I created this card for both games, and it was originally intended for a Spanish-language news website about these games that I am creating with a friend. It's not spam because I'm not going to say what it's called, but I felt the need to share it here. What do you think? I think someone who wants to put it on their F95 profile might like it.

 

[jadepaladin]

No! Maybe I'll list a couple in the offtopic thread so you cna have some fun haha

Mostly because of how rushed it was. Everything after getting to Tonalu just felt like the devs only wanted to be done with it.

Soapbox time...*checks thread*
Never mind this isn't the CS thread.
Is there a AA style club for the people let down by CS?

 

[alain8891]

Mostly because of how rushed it was. Everything after getting to Tonalu just felt like the devs only wanted to be done with it.

Knowing a bit how the devs worked on this game, even though it may feel rushed to you, it certainly wasn't effectively rushed at all. There's enough branching and variations in the dialogue and scenes for my own taste, not to mention the story itself, the humor, render quality, etc... and there's Jaye !
But hey, enough talking about CS here. Let's take it there instead...

 

[dan_roger69]

Mostly because of how rushed it was. Everything after getting to Tonalu just felt like the devs only wanted to be done with it.

Is that the only reason? Based on your profile picture I thought you are disappointed that Tara (is it her name? I guess) didn't get a threesome with MC & Jaye . I'm disappointed for that reason however .

 

[idontdreamwhenisleep69]

 

[twotonepatrone]

I linked the mentioned picture a little higher in spoiler. In the NTR route, when Miru and Will are talking on the phone, Miru literally says: "I let him play with my tits for a bit". But you can see in the picture that it's not just tits, and that Miru is not completely honest. If this picture had been included in this dialogue, then everyone would have immediately known that Miru was lying. But Ocean doesn't want to immediately reveal Miru's cheating to the players, not even in the NTR route. When they talk, Miru is naked, and in my opinion, by this time she has already fucked the krayt guy, who is still in the apartment. Look at her eyes and body language in every picture, it gives it away. But maybe no one notices this, because everyone only reads Miru's body and the dialogue. This is mainly due to Ocean's visuals, since in almost every picture in the game the characters get a sharp and clear image, but the background is always blurry and not clear. This is what happens in these pictures, it's a bit dark, Miru's body is sharp and clear, but the background is usually blurry. However, if you give the picture a little brightness and sharpen the image a little, I think the answer is there. Miru is not alone in the apartment, and someone is sitting on the couch. And if this is true, then it's understandable why Miru says at the end of the scene: "I'm tired"...
And now don't judge me, because this is just my theory...

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Holy shit you might be right. I forgot that were playing an Ocean game and not the average ntr AVN.

 

[Simon248]

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[John972]

Completely disagree here. The plot changes made characters act differently to what we have seen from them before. As a direct consequence of the plot changes. I lost all interest in Katie and Miru after this update because I felt like they were no longer quite the same characters that chapter 3 had presented.

Take Miru at the bar for example. Without any input from the player she went further than her character had gone before. She didn't just assist in the shakedown of the bar owner. She went above and beyond what Emilio and his goons would have done by threatening him the way she did. I don't think I need to provide any Katie example. Basically any conversation with her in chapter 4 shows the shift her character suffered.

Yeah, the update showed a different side of Miru - someone who could kill you in a heartbeat without emotion, then casually go back to happily slurping a smoothie as if nothing had happened.

I am wondering if Miru hooking up with William after he was released from prison is as simple/harmless as it seems. What if she was originally asked/tasked/hired to keep an eye on William, but later fell in love with him? Of course, we don't have the full back story yet (perhaps she repeatedly visited him in prison), but Miru waiting for Willi two years after meeting him for all of five minutes seems rather suspicious.

What about Katie do you think has changed? I think she has been very consistent. Willi constantly alluded to how Katie is in the original Chs 1 - 3. I think the difference in Ch 4 is that we she how she is through her actions, not just based on Willi's opinion.

What I look forward to with the whole Katie thing is the fork-in-the-road Ocean has set up with her character if Willi chooses to trust Katie and allow her to create blackmail material on him. Did Katie create that blackmail material as the ultimate test to prove that William has changed and can be trusted, or did she create it to screw him over when the opportunity arises?

 

[Maccabbee]

Completely disagree here. The plot changes made characters act differently to what we have seen from them before. As a direct consequence of the plot changes. I lost all interest in Katie and Miru after this update because I felt like they were no longer quite the same characters that chapter 3 had presented.

Take Miru at the bar for example. Without any input from the player she went further than her character had gone before. She didn't just assist in the shakedown of the bar owner. She went above and beyond what Emilio and his goons would have done by threatening him the way she did. I don't think I need to provide any Katie example. Basically any conversation with her in chapter 4 shows the shift her character suffered.

Yeah, the update showed a different side of Miru - someone who could kill you in a heartbeat without emotion, then casually go back to happily slurping a smoothie as if nothing had happened.

I am wondering if Miru hooking up with William after he was released from prison is as simple/harmless as it seems. What if she was originally asked/tasked/hired to keep an eye on William, but later fell in love with him? Of course, we don't have the full back story yet (perhaps she repeatedly visited him in prison), but Miru waiting for Willi two years after meeting him for all of five minutes seems rather suspicious.

What about Katie do you think has changed? I think she has been very consistent. Willi constantly alluded to how Katie is in the original Chs 1 - 3. I think the difference in Ch 4 is that we she how she is through her actions, not just based on Willi's opinion.

What I look forward to with the whole Katie thing is the fork-in-the-road Ocean has set up with her character if Willi chooses to trust Katie and allow her to create blackmail material on him. Did Katie create that blackmail material as the ultimate test to prove that William has changed and can be trusted, or did she create it to screw him over when the opportunity arises?

If you didn't realize that Miru was some kind of serious criminal yakuza or ninja boss, you weren't paying attention, and not just to this new version of the story. She was always a criminal. The new chapter showed that they met in jail, and they got together later. She talks about building a network, and how her family settled things violently and permanently in the "old country" in the earlier chapters, even pre-new version. Yes, she is hot, and loving, and fun. Yes is extremely dangerous and amoral. To me, that makes her hotter.

I agree, she could be playing William, or could have been in the past, and it turned real along the way. I don't think so, but it's possible. MDS is enough of an explanation to me for them getting together.

I do think that she's helped toughen him up and schooled him a little in having a criminal mind. Prison also does that. He was in there for two years. That's going to seriously change a person, if they weren't a hardened criminal before that.

 

[John972]

I linked the mentioned picture a little higher in spoiler. In the NTR route, when Miru and Will are talking on the phone, Miru literally says: "I let him play with my tits for a bit". But you can see in the picture that it's not just tits, and that Miru is not completely honest. If this picture had been included in this dialogue, then everyone would have immediately known that Miru was lying. But Ocean doesn't want to immediately reveal Miru's cheating to the players, not even in the NTR route. When they talk, Miru is naked, and in my opinion, by this time she has already fucked the krayt guy, who is still in the apartment. Look at her eyes and body language in every picture, it gives it away. But maybe no one notices this, because everyone only reads Miru's body and the dialogue. This is mainly due to Ocean's visuals, since in almost every picture in the game the characters get a sharp and clear image, but the background is always blurry and not clear. This is what happens in these pictures, it's a bit dark, Miru's body is sharp and clear, but the background is usually blurry. However, if you give the picture a little brightness and sharpen the image a little, I think the answer is there. Miru is not alone in the apartment, and someone is sitting on the couch. And if this is true, then it's understandable why Miru says at the end of the scene: "I'm tired"...
And now don't judge me, because this is just my theory...

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You could be right but, equally, you could be completely wrong.

Because those renders never made the cut, no one other than Ocean knows what dialogue he planned to go with them. For all we know, Ocean planned to have Miru tell William over the phone exactly what happened with the Krayt guy as shown in the deleted renders, but he toned the conversation down and deleted the renders instead.

The whole Ch 4 scene with Miru telling William she had sexy time with the Krayt guy is conditional upon Miru and William agreeing earlier (in the Ch 3 bathroom NTR scene) that Miru can fool around with other guys in their open relationship. That condition is hard-coded in the script.

There are also a couple of (so-far) unused variables Ocean created in the Ch 3 bathroom NTR scene - one variable for Willi/Miru agreeing to always ask each other for permission whenever they want to fool around with someone else, and another variable for Willi/Miru agreeing to only ask each other for permission if the fooling around were to involve sexual intercourse.

 

[John972]

If you didn't realize that Miru was some kind of serious criminal yakuza or ninja boss, you weren't paying attention, and not just to this new version of the story. She was always a criminal. The new chapter showed that they met in jail, and they got together later. She talks about building a network, and how her family settled things violently and permanently in the "old country" in the earlier chapters, even pre-new version. Yes, she is hot, and loving, and fun. Yes is extremely dangerous and amoral. To me, that makes her hotter.

I agree, she could be playing William, or could have been in the past, and it turned real along the way. I don't think so, but it's possible. MDS is enough of an explanation to me for them getting together.

I do think that she's helped toughen him up and schooled him a little in having a criminal mind. Prison also does that. He was in there for two years. That's going to seriously change a person, if they weren't a hardened criminal before that.

Yes, she has an acknowledged criminal background and a seriously dangerous skillset, but (other than her beating up Daphne) we were only shown Miru using her charm and diplomatic skills to manipulate people or gain information by the end of Ch 3. Even her fight against Leia was measured and only taken to its conclusion with permission from Willi.

Then, there is the unanswered question on why Miru chose to turn her back on her family - the ones that settle things violently and permanently in the "old country."

There is a big difference between having such a dangerous skillset and actually using those skills to harm/kill people. Ch 4 confirmed that Miru will use them.

 

[LHDLLB]

Yes, she has an acknowledged criminal background and a seriously dangerous skillset, but (other than her beating up Daphne) we were only shown Miru using her charm and diplomatic skills to manipulate people or gain information by the end of Ch 3. Even her fight against Leia was measured and only taken to its conclusion with permission from Willi.

Then, there is the unanswered question on why Miru chose to turn her back on her family - the ones that settle things violently and permanently in the "old country."

There is a big difference between having such a dangerous skillset and actually using those skills to harm/kill people. Ch 4 confirmed that Miru will use them.

Are we completly sure she has turn her back to her family? She has communication with her sister at least and had semilegal or ilegal bunisess in the city she lived with William, who is to say that it was not related in some form to her family? We simply don't know. We have some speculation but all of that can be dissmissed in the next update, as solid facts we have very little.

Yeah, the update showed a different side of Miru - someone who could kill you in a heartbeat without emotion, then casually go back to happily slurping a smoothie as if nothing had happened.

I am wondering if Miru hooking up with William after he was released from prison is as simple/harmless as it seems. What if she was originally asked/tasked/hired to keep an eye on William, but later fell in love with him? Of course, we don't have the full back story yet (perhaps she repeatedly visited him in prison), but Miru waiting for Willi two years after meeting him for all of five minutes seems rather suspicious.

What about Katie do you think has changed? I think she has been very consistent. Willi constantly alluded to how Katie is in the original Chs 1 - 3. I think the difference in Ch 4 is that we she how she is through her actions, not just based on Willi's opinion.

What I look forward to with the whole Katie thing is the fork-in-the-road Ocean has set up with her character if Willi chooses to trust Katie and allow her to create blackmail material on him. Did Katie create that blackmail material as the ultimate test to prove that William has changed and can be trusted, or did she create it to screw him over when the opportunity arises?

I think that Katie feeling of being left out is a bit dismissed, better said, as William would have a good reason to avoid Katie, as Dr.TSoni pointed out. I also think the bullying dosen't work as well but that is beside the point. I agree that Katie this update showed a more manipulative side of Katie that was only allued to by William but not agaist know information.

About the repercursions of the photos, I don't think it will ever get used.

 

[Turret]

Then, there is the unanswered question on why Miru chose to turn her back on her family - the ones that settle things violently and permanently in the "old country."
There is a big difference between having such a dangerous skillset and actually using those skills to harm/kill people. Ch 4 confirmed that Miru will use them.

Who says Miru has turned her back on her family? She might live outside Japan, but that does not mean that she has cut the ties to her Gumi. I think it highly likely that Miru was sent away after a especially violent "cleaning up" to protect her and wait until grass grows over it.
I think a lot of players are not aware what a weird place the Yakuza takes in japanese society. The various Gumis(families) are dangerous criminals, but try to keep to some honour codex and civil outside exterior. The Yakuza has public offices(!) and a magazine they publish. They are not as much in the shadows as comparable criminal organisations are in other countries.
Due to this, the Yakuza is very interested to keep their image as businessmen in "special" enterprises intact. As such, openly visible violence, even more deadly violence when settling scores or family feuds, is very rare.

I theorise Miru was once part of such a rare event and the winning Gumi was certaintly interested to calm the waters again and quickly. So Miru and others were spread out over Japan and foreign lands to protect them and keep them out of police focus.

 

[longdong4005]

Technically, it shouldn't be possible anymore.
Could Ayua be descended from Dylan's brothers?

Ayua said her family has their own martial arts and the only way for outsiders to learn it is by marrying into the family.