- Dec 11, 2017
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I think this stopped being a scam a while ago. And there's nothing sad about those people.
It's like if you receive a collect call from someone telling you they want to sell you a scam, and you go right ahead and accept it.
Where's the scam in that? It's just plain stupidity.
Sure the game might still come out, but there's no excuse for such a ridiculous delay.
People are stupid.
- Feb 22, 2018
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so is the game abandoned or not? is the dev just dilly dallying or has he really dropped the game and moved on? or has the dev just run away (though his patreon has posts from December 2019)?
He is doing nothing other than lying to cover up the scam, the project is abandoned (2+ years of no release, missed "deadlines" and multiple proven lies told, which are too many to list here, read old posts).
He posts some generic posts every now and then so his current patrons keep thinking the project is alive. We call it a scam (not just "milking") for a reason. You wouldn't expect a scammer and proven liar to stop writing posts, to basically admit he abandoned the project, would you? it takes literally a few seconds to write those posts and it costs nothing.
You need to look at the evidence (or utter lack of it) to understand why this is a scam: https://f95zone.to/threads/dual-family-v0-98-ce-gumdrop-games.1870/page-467#post-2398851
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- Jan 3, 2019
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well he had 900 patreons now its down to 822 patreons so lets hope this trend continue and he start losing more if he suddenly releases an update we know it was about the money..
I think a significant number of them are dormant, from people who don't notice they are still giving money to this dude. See the recent post where someone shows how low the comment/patrons ratio is on his patreon (projects that aren't abandoned have higher ratios). Then you have to consider newer people who don't know any better and are unaware that this scammer has done nothing for over 2 years, and is currently doing no work at all.
For what is worth, a while ago a known shill here got obviously upset when someone brought up the possibility of his patreon being a front for some other, possibly illegal, business (he set up an alternative payment method on his site before he abandoned the project, don't know how much he is making there). To judge its validity, it would be helpful to know if there are any similar cases on patreon (dead project for more than 2 years still receiving thousands with a drop of only about 10/15%, with low comments/patrons ratio, with virtually no proof of work, etc.). If there aren't any similar cases, and this case is exceptional, then this idea doesn't sound so crazy.
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- Feb 22, 2018
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8 grand a month is a lot of free money. What has he written in his latest post anyway? Anyway we should be warning people to stay away from his patreon. I still don't understand how he has the gall to keep posting as if nothing has happened.
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His posts are mostly gibberish and also to set-up his next excuses. People here have consistently predicted his future excuses based on these posts. Like scammers and manipulative people usually do, he is never honest upfront, he waits a few months before giving the excuse, setting it up with previous posts. Browse older pages here to see examples. His current excuse is that he is looking for an animator after the previous one had to do military service. He has been commissioning some animations for almost a year (they are taking over a year to do now, how crazy is that?) to give himself a new excuse for not doing any work: https://f95zone.to/threads/dual-family-v0-98-ce-gumdrop-games.1870/post-2958018 . To sustain the scam he is using a tiny fraction of the money he took from the people he scammed to keep fooling them.
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Anyone know how the "Act 1 Part IX/X" is supposed to translate to the F95 versioning of 0.98? Curious how he's working this scam, has he been telling on his patreon 2 years straight that he's working on Part X/Act 2 Part I? Smart gimmick to fool people tho for sure
A few months ago, he claimed to be working on some "open world" act 2 (as usual, no evidence is ever shown). At the same time, he is unable to show any evidence of the last part of act 1, which he claimed to be working on for 2 years (he literally claims to have 3k images rendered sitting there, yet somehow he can't show any evidence). Currently he is using the animator as an excuse to keep the scam going. Next excuse will surely be the "complexity" and "bugs" of the "open world". In reality, he has done nothing for the last 2 years and is currently doing nothing, they are just more embarrassing lies by a chronic liar, don't even bother with them.
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Maybe he's really smart and has finished the game completely, but will release it piece by piece over the next ten years? I know I would do that if I could get away with it.
Funny though how the budget (i.e., total income) for this game now exceeds the budget of some A games (and is certainly one of the highest funded indie games).
Funny though how the budget (i.e., total income) for this game now exceeds the budget of some A games (and is certainly one of the highest funded indie games).
Dual family[Abandoned] but the memes will never cease to be!
(A message from our Captain lostraven)
I've missed a lot of people sorry I know I did it on my phone so it's pretty
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(A message from our Captain lostraven)
I've missed a lot of people sorry I know I did it on my phone so it's pretty
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Nope. Take a look at the "All" chart. His highest earnings were $10,835 with 1,039 patron, and that was less than a year ago. His highest patron count was 1,073 in March 2018. He's not that far off the maximum.
Then take a look at the last 3 month. He's actually gained patrons since November.
You'll also notice that there's always a dip towards the end of the month.
One possibility is that payments are processed sequentially, but it doesn't make sense that they would take upwards of 20 days to process
It figures that patrons cancel subscriptions before the end of the month before deciding whether to continue. And then they DO SUBSCRIBE AGAIN. WHY!?!?!?
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Dual family[Abandoned] but the memes will never cease to be!
(A message from our Captain lostraven)
I've missed a lot of people sorry I know I did it on my phone so it's pretty
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You still did more work on your phone (and I'm guessing in less than 2 hours) than Scamdrop in 2 years at 8k/month
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To see 1 picture for $ 20 or read how bad things are going with the developer.
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Have not heard of that site before, but assuming all the numbers are correct, that's a very interesting graph. Most of it makes sense in a frustrating way but one thing strikes me as odd: There is a 30% increase in his number of patreons between the first week of May '19 and 3rd week of September '19. There are two reasons I'm curious about this increase: 1) This is over a year after the last game update so I fail to see what is causing renewed interest in the game (to be fair I have not looked through his patreon posts so it's possible he was particularly convincing during this period). 2) The period of increase follows a 8.5 month period of consistent decrease during which he lost 40% of his patreons.
I'm very familiar with statistics, but since my background is laboratory research, it's entirely possible I'm missing some obvious business thing. Can anyone else explain this oddity?
Edit: It occurs to me he could have put his game up on Steam or some other site during this period which would introduce his game to a new audience and thus cause the spike.
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I'm no expert on statistics, But the only reasonable explanation to me is that it's some kind of money laundering operation.