VN Ren'Py Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

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You guys saying to not close this thread... but what is truly a waste of time is sending the same thing over and over again and negative opinions that will won't change nothing in the dev progress (or not)...or his life if this became something personal.
 
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fotogaik said:
What would you sue him for? Deceit? He had no legal obligation to provide anything
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Then read the guidelines on patreon. And I wrote if he turns out truly to be a scammer. He HAS legal obligation to provide us with that what he has wrote/promised. If he fails to deliver that while earning a significant amount of money it goes illegal. I already sued 2 guys on patreon and have enough experience to deal with it once the time comes. Just because most people don't care or even try doesn't mean it's something impossible. I don't have a problem being outed either... heck even my mom and my current gf know that I'm playing porn games (no joke).
 
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RenegadeRedemption said:
You guys saying to not close this thread... but what is truly a waste of time is sending the same thing over and over again and negative opinions that will won't change nothing in the dev progress (or not)...or his life if this became something personal.
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It's about warning potential new patrons who first encounter this game on this site or come here for discussion about it, like you can literally see someone do on this very same page.

Without people describing/exposing the scam, shills like Tree (suddenly missing now) and the ones from his discord would be freely doing marketing for what is a blatant scam, aiding the scammer. That shills from his discord keep coming here means that the influence of this site is not negligible. The mods being pressured to put an abandoned tag would have likely never happened if the thread was closed.

That aside, I don't understand why Steam allows incomplete pseudo-games like this, with no "development" to speak of for two years, and which will never be continued, on their store. Are there no minimum standards at all? you would expect Steam to have better standards than fucking Patreon.
 
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Then read the guidelines on patreon. And I wrote if he turns out truly to be a scammer. He HAS legal obligation to provide us with that what he has wrote/promised.
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No. He could just as well cobble together an update with twenty lines of text, say they lived happily ever after, The End, and wrap up if he has two, but there's no legal obligation whatsoever.

If he fails to deliver that while earning a significant amount of money it goes illegal.
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No. Not unless you prove that he was deliberately scamming people and not simply delaying updates because of incompetence. Besides, rewards include pinups and previews and even though their quality is astonishingly bad, gumdrop still provided them, so you can't prove you didn't get anything for your pledges.

I already sued 2 guys on patreon and have enough experience to deal with it once the time comes. Just because most people don't care or even try doesn't mean it's something impossible. I don't have a problem being outed either... heck even my mom and my current gf know that I'm playing porn games (no joke).
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Sure, you sued those two guys. Did you actually win? What did you win? Which two developers did you sue so we can see that you're not just falsely boasting?
If you sued and gumdrop proved that he was incompetent, not deceitful, you'd lose the case. At best, you could win back credit for the current month. You wouldn't even get a full refund. You wouldn't get back processing fees. Oh, and Patreon would definitely stand behind a creator because they take a cut and would need to refund you that, too.
If creators are faced with losing money they earned through patreon because some patrons feels they weren't satisfied, it becomes an uncertain source of income because creators stand to lose it and be required to pay damages in a frivolous lawsuit.
 
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TommyEsclow said:
Then read the guidelines on patreon. And I wrote if he turns out truly to be a scammer. He HAS legal obligation to provide us with that what he has wrote/promised. If he fails to deliver that while earning a significant amount of money it goes illegal. I already sued 2 guys on patreon and have enough experience to deal with it once the time comes. Just because most people don't care or even try doesn't mean it's something impossible. I don't have a problem being outed either... heck even my mom and my current gf know that I'm playing porn games (no joke).
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lol. Are you trolling? "I'll just sue if he turns out to be a scammer"... It's been almost 2 years without an update, why not just unpledge and wait and see if he ever releases again, rather than keep giving money to a guy you're not sure is a scammer. Normally when people think something could possibly be a scam they stay away, not take part in it because they'll just sue if it turns out to be a scam.

Besides, it's not like gumdrop needs more money to finish this update, he's literally made hundreds of thousands of dollars in the time since his last release. Not to mention, he's missed like 5 release dates over 2 years, and supposedly most of them were missed because of other people not finishing their work, not him since he finished all of his. So you're not even paying gumdrop to work on this update anymore, you're literally paying him to wait for other people to finish their work. You people literally paid Gumdrop over 100 thousand dollars to wait for fatcat to make animations for a year and a half, and they weren't even finished lol.

The worst part is, since gumdrop is probably a scammer, you're not even paying him to wait, you're just straight up being scammed. You make no sense. Seems like deep down even you know gumdrop is taking advantage of you guys, you know he's not being honest, you don't even deny it's a strong possibility he's scamming you. It's like you come to this thread, you have people telling you that gumdrop is full of shit and supporting him makes no sense, yet for whatever reason you just can't bring yourself to unsubscribe and you just cope by acting like you'll sue him. Well, in that case you better contact your lawyer because you're gonna need him.
 
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Patreon is very clear in their policy that they do not give refunds to dissatisfied customers. You can't sue them, it is a platform for supporting artists, it is not a marketplace where you give money in exchange for a product. Any loss of money due to failure to live up to promises made by a creator to supporters is a risk you accept when you agree to give them money. Per patreon's own "guidelines":

"Creators are entirely responsible for benefits and content distribution. It is not a violation of our terms if a creator doesn't deliver benefits or they're not as expected. "

Emphasis Patreon's.

Also:

"As an artist, you deserve all the support you get from your patrons! Your community deserves all the wonderful work you put into your Patreon page. They deserve your honest fulfillment of all the work you promised them as rewards. Failing that, they deserve an honest statement about why a given reward is late along with appropriate apologies. Patreon will not issue refunds to dissatisfied patrons, but it’s important to note that they do contact us. They do, also, take to social media to share their grievances. "


TL/DR: If you are unhappy, your only recourse is to pull your money and complain on social media. You can't sue anybody, because you agreed to these terms when you agreed to send them your money.
 
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So, did mods cave in or did Gumdrop actually abandon his game?
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Mods caved in. Gumdrop is not going to announce that he abandoned the game as long as money's flowing in.

It apparently forced Gumdrop's hand in that he frantically started to put an update together just to prove he's doing something, but I hope it'll take more than an apology and a sorry excuse to turn the tag around.
 
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How long does it have an abandoned tag? I thought it was abandoned years ago. xD Now that I look at the patreon, he is still active there, that's why it didn't recieve the tag earlier. And gets so much money for just updating his Patreon page and making a render from time to time. Damn, that's a total gravy train. xD Getting thousands a month for doing nothing. xD I am so envious. xD I want to be payed by thirsty men for being lazy and manipulative too, selling them a promise of sex. xD Damn, I thought Twitch THOTs were the only ones doing this. xD

I haven't been on this thread for 2 years, but today I accidentally stepped in here and got overwhelmed by all the memes. Really funny, guys. I would like to say that more threads need memes like this, but I don't want any of the other games to end up like this one, so no. xD I read through it and am amazed somebody would still pay him to encourage this behavior. I wish people would pull their support sooner so he would realize he can't keep going like this and step up, but he can still do this, because he seems to be good at manipulating his supporters.
 
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luizodia said:
This game had so much potential...
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No.
It had a good backstory. It focused on vanilla content. It promised a steady and relaxed pace.
I imagine everyone who supported gumdrop expected that he would finish the game, all three acts, in three years.
As it turns out, it promised a lot and delivered nothing.

A lot of games have even more potential. If some developers got even just a fraction of what gumdrop had been pledged, they would probably turn out more and better games that we could get from gumdrop.

stg1945 said:
I don't understand how great games that have frequent updates make 1000 or even less a month but somehow Gumdrop stays at over 8000 even though no update in almost 1 and a half year or has it even been more time than that? sometime I think it must be fake right?
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It's a tricky question, and honestly, it's hard to tell. I found out something when my card expired and I didn't get around to updating payment details, but that was several years ago.
Namely, my pledge was still visible and counted towards the total, even though I wasn't charged for that given month and I couldn't see patron-only content. That was before patreon introduced up-front payments. You could literally open up fifty accounts with fake payment details, pledge $100 to a creator, and voila, you have 50 supporters pledging $5,000 to a creator. Even if their payments bounced, they were still counted towards the total.
When up-front payments were introduced, it was trickier, your payment needed to be successfully processed, but then even if it expired, you were still counted.
It's entirely possible that, out of those 900 supporters, a number of them is deceased, quit patreon or lapsed by not updating their payment details, but it's impossible to tell.

However, we might infer something from response activity. Recent posts:
Jan 21 | $5 tier | 2 comments | 8 likes | POLL
Jan 20 | $20 tier | 0 comments | 4 likes | POLL
Jan 20 | $1 tier | 11 comments | 10 likes | NEWS
Jan 10 | $1 tier | 13 comments | 13 likes | NEWS
Jan 4 | $20 tier | 0 comments | 3 likes | IMAGE PREVIEW
Jan 1 | $12 tier | 0 comments | 5 likes | IMAGE PREVIEW
Dec 31 | $5 tier | 10 comments | 8 likes | IMAGE PREVIEW
Dec 26 | $1 tier | 4 comments | 17 likes | IMAGE&ANIM PREVIEW
Dec 25 | $20 tier | 0 comments | 7 likes | SPECIAL
Dec 25 | $5 tier | 0 comments | 11 likes | SPECIAL
Dec 25 | $1 tier | 0 comments | 14 likes | SPECIAL
Dec 24 | $1 tier | 1 comment | 10 likes | NEWS
Dec 22 | $1 tier | 9 comments | 6 likes | NEWS
Dec 18 | $20 tier | 0 comments | 5 likes | PINUPS

Before releasing Act 1 Part 9 in March 2018, a developer update just prior to the release would get 53 comments and 26 likes. Final previews in February would get 44 comments and 27 likes.

The trick is, it's hard to find an equivalent or similar period because the updates were fairly regular (like every 2-3 months), so there was no time to get impatient. What's funny is that there were hardly any pinup posts or polls. It's fairly easy to find the moment in time when gumdrop switched from active development and engaging with his followers (including public posts) to milking: no more public posts, a lot of polls, many pinups and supposed previews -- around April 2018 when patreon suspended gumdrop's page (then and several times thereafter).
 
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