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So, I kinda ran into a bug, attempting to sex up a virgin at my pad resulted in the position freezing up. I was free to change her clothes, when I moved the camera around her head followed and I could change the lighting options. However, for some reason the game didn't recognize me touching her(the mouse never changed to a hand) or change positions(both moving her around the room and having her in different positions) and since she was a virgin, I wasn't able to exit out beyond exiting to the title screen.

Image shows how only the move her and change position buttons are greyed out which was the only thing I couldn't interact with(also the text never disappeared).

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EDIT: Update, tried it again, same girl, different location, and got the same problem, it must have something to do with her in particular, this play-through, or the "lazy" personality.

EDIT 2: Tried it in the extra or free mode, got the same problem, which means the problem is most likely her.
 
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My bad, i put more focus on the "is there a plugin for it"
A workaround is to push [O] (or other keys, see pic) on the keyboard during the H scene, and the 3 XYZ arrows will appear at the partner's feet. Then you can move them around to link the two people into a more agreeable looking H pose that makes sense for your tall/short characters (aka > 100 or < 0 on the height slider value). It's useful when you use the male height slider override plugin.

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The male is basically "attached" to her and they get a "ragdoll" move style when moving them with the arrows. Weird stuff happens though like his dick might double in size with some positions. Anyway when you try for yourself you will see what i mean.

So yea, to answer the question is yes there is sort of a plugin for it. :)


 
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Hi y'all :wave:
Back on the job for a bit, prepping for HS2 and doing some general maintenance, so going down my todo list, and would you look at that... A lot of people want more Koikatsu translation :-O
For my PlayHome pack I commissioned the ADV part of the game re-translated, so have a vague grasp of what I'm looking at in terms of cost, but it's a tall order with all the frikkin text going here. (Also known as the reason the translation for this game never seems to get done)
So, first order of business is trying to get a translator to quote a price, and if reasonable, translate one character type that is as of now untranslated.
I mean, it's not like it makes sense to wait for Illusion to release the expansion at this point...
This is not a promise that I'll be able to do it, but a statement of intent kinda, so don't get all your hopes up, but I'm hoping this will go fine and we'll finally get the rest of that game translated in due time.
So before even starting to look into it, I'll need to know what character type I'm going to present to the translator for the first quote, and for that, I should ask all of you.
In the poll are the character types not in Koikatsu Party, and that have not been fully translated in the fantranslation, I'll go with the winner of the poll when I follow up on this after HS2 has calmed down after initial release. :)

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Hi y'all :wave:
Back on the job for a bit, prepping for HS2 and doing some general maintenance, so going down my todo list, and would you look at that... A lot of people want more Koikatsu translation :-O
For my PlayHome pack I commissioned the ADV part of the game re-translated, so have a vague grasp of what I'm looking at in terms of cost, but it's a tall order with all the frikkin text going here. (Also known as the reason the translation for this game never seems to get done)
So, first order of business is trying to get a translator to quote a price, and if reasonable, translate one character type that is as of now untranslated.
I mean, it's not like it makes sense to wait for Illusion to release the expansion at this point...
This is not a promise that I'll be able to do it, but a statement of intent kinda, so don't get all your hopes up, but I'm hoping this will go fine and we'll finally get the rest of that game translated in due time.
So before even starting to look into it, I'll need to know what character type I'm going to present to the translator for the first quote, and for that, I should ask all of you.
In the poll are the character types not in Koikatsu Party, and that have not been fully translated in the fantranslation, I'll go with the winner of the poll when I follow up on this after HS2 has calmed down after initial release. :)

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Honestly, I don't think it's impossible to get a huge group to simply edit machine translations. While it may not be the quality one-to-one translations you'd see from a native Japanese speaker, you can get native English speakers turning machine translations into something that can get across the general idea of what the character is saying by simply fixing the pronouns and it would be pretty good. The only example in which you would NEED someone fluent in both Japanese and English would be translating the returnee, which is completely illegible with machine translations.
 

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A workaround is to push [O] (or other keys, see pic) on the keyboard during the H scene, and the 3 XYZ arrows will appear at the partner's feet. Then you can move them around to link the two people into a more agreeable looking H pose that makes sense for tall/short aka > 100 or < 0 on the height slider value. It's useful when you use the male height slider override plugin.
This is cool and super helpful because I really love super short girls. I should really become acquanted with all the shit I can do with the plugins included in the modded torrent. I think I opened up the options once but that's all I really paid attention to.

Is there a mod/plugin or whatever that can automate the sex scenes a bit? I like the idea of just sitting back and watching while the girl takes control and changes positions/does other stuff at her own pace.
 

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Honestly, I don't think it's impossible to get a huge group to simply edit machine translations. While it may not be the quality one-to-one translations you'd see from a native Japanese speaker, you can get native English speakers turning machine translations into something that can get across the general idea of what the character is saying by simply fixing the pronouns and it would be pretty good. The only example in which you would NEED someone fluent in both Japanese and English would be translating the returnee, which is completely illegible with machine translations.
Y'know? I thought of machine-translation to normal english at some point. Now i wonder why it hasn't been done.
 
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I want this mod :p Not interested in watching them take a bath or WC :cautious:
Optional mods folder in RX4.1.

Honestly, I don't think it's impossible to get a huge group to simply edit machine translations. While it may not be the quality one-to-one translations you'd see from a native Japanese speaker, you can get native English speakers turning machine translations into something that can get across the general idea of what the character is saying by simply fixing the pronouns and it would be pretty good. The only example in which you would NEED someone fluent in both Japanese and English would be translating the returnee, which is completely illegible with machine translations.
That's exactly the kind of thing I've been looking to do, but I don't want it to be internet based, I want my translation to be native capable so those with crap internet like I used to have, sometimes crappy enough for the auto translator to spend half an hour per line, don't have to play at a turtle's pace to see it all.
 

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That's exactly the kind of thing I've been looking to do, but I don't want it to be internet based, I want my translation to be native capable so those with crap internet like I used to have, sometimes crappy enough for the auto translator to spend half an hour per line, don't have to play at a turtle's pace to see it all.
Let me explain how autotranslators work so that I can tell you my idea. In all visual novels and especially Koikatsu the text is not hard coded to a scene or a piece of dialogue. The dialogue, character animations, and voice lines are all kept in separate places and when a scene comes up it sends out a message to grab that piece of information so it can display it on the screen. It is an optimization feature so the game doesn't need to load every audio bite, character animation, and text file on RAM but can grab it as needed. An auto-translator intercepts the signal for the text in what is called a hook code and looks into the text document, reads and translates the next line, then sends it to the game to tell it to display the translated line instead.

This means, with a bit of coding, you can create a program that slowly builds a new text file as the user edits the current line as they play. So, they could have not only context but also the machine translation and original text that can be copy and pasted into any search engine, then they just retype the line and the program edits the game's dll file so as far as the game knows the english edited line is the original text. Something with a user interface that looks akin to this. It's rather simple but it would be quite powerful in getting the game translated. You can have it online or let each person edit their own game, with the amount of time spent in this game hearing the same conversations I probably could have translated the whole game by now.

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Let me explain how autotranslators work so that I can tell you my idea. In all visual novels and especially Koikatsu the text is not hard coded to a scene or a piece of dialogue. The dialogue, character animations, and voice lines are all kept in separate places and when a scene comes up it sends out a message to grab that piece of information so it can display it on the screen. It is an optimization feature so the game doesn't need to load every audio bite, character animation, and text file on RAM but can grab it as needed. An auto-translator intercepts the signal for the text in what is called a hook code and looks into the text document, reads and translates the next line, then sends it to the game to tell it to display the translated line instead.

This means, with a bit of coding, you can create a program that slowly builds a new text file as the user edits the current line as they play. So, they could have not only context but also the machine translation and original text that can be copy and pasted into any search engine, then they just retype the line and the program edits the game's dll file so as far as the game knows the english edited line is the original text. Something with a user interface that looks akin to this. It's rather simple but it would be quite powerful in getting the game translated. You can have it online or let each person edit their own game, with the amount of time spent in this game hearing the same conversations I probably could have translated the whole game by now.

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I'm aware of all that, I just don't know what I need in this particular case to make a native translation, in other words how exactly I get to the data. Last I checked, the files are encrypted, so text editors won't read the data. I could be wrong, but I might need to look for a decryptor that works with this game, but then I also need to figure out what files contain the dialogue that isn't already translated, the DLC content dialogue, in other words. Once I have the files and the programs needed to edit them, I'm good. It's just figuring out what works and what doesn't that is taking me so long.
 

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I'm aware of all that, I just don't know what I need in this particular case to make a native translation, in other words how exactly I get to the data. Last I checked, the files are encrypted, so text editors won't read the data. I could be wrong, but I might need to look for a decryptor that works with this game, but then I also need to figure out what files contain the dialogue that isn't already translated, the DLC content dialogue, in other words. Once I have the files and the programs needed to edit them, I'm good. It's just figuring out what works and what doesn't that is taking me so long.
I'm not trying to treat you like an idiot, I simply explained it in case you didn't know, I dislike it when people speak over my head, so I try to avoid doing the same under a premise of "better to have the explanation and not need it than need it and not have it." That being said, the conversation has exceeded what I would be able to actually help with. I'd like to see something like that one day and if it comes out I'd be more than willing to jump on the editor train, but actually creating the program is beyond my means.
 
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I'm not trying to treat you like an idiot, I simply explained it in case you didn't know, I dislike it when people speak over my head, so I try to avoid doing the same under a premise of "better to have the explanation and not need it than need it and not have it."

That being said, the conversation has exceeded what I would be able to actually help with. I'd like to see something like that one day and if it comes out I'd be more than willing to jump on the editor train, but actually creating the program is beyond my means.
I didn't mean to make it sound like I thought you were, I actually tried to make it not sound like I was offended or anything because I'm not. It is good to put that info out there for those that don't know and want to try. I don't think we have to create a program for it, I think we just need to find an existing third party program that let's us decrypt the files. If you don't, they come out as complete gibberish even to a trained programmer. I'm sure there is one out there, how else would mods be possible since you have to know what you are working with to mod the game. Maybe one of the modders can chime in if someone asks them directly, I could ask Katarsys on his patreon and see what he uses to get access to feature and information code from the actual game for Kplug's journal feature to track sex stats.
 

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Kplug sounds like a cool mod from reading it's manual, there are a number of neat features I'd like to have. However in the readme it states that the mod isn't really compatible with the torrent download version and that I might have problems running it.

Has anybody experiemented with it? Maybe got it to work well or whatever? Maybe it works just fine out of the box and the readme is being dramatic?
 

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I didn't mean to make it sound like I thought you were, I actually tried to make it not sound like I was offended or anything because I'm not. It is good to put that info out there for those that don't know and want to try. I don't think we have to create a program for it, I think we just need to find an existing third party program that let's us decrypt the files. If you don't, they come out as complete gibberish even to a trained programmer. I'm sure there is one out there, how else would mods be possible since you have to know what you are working with to mod the game. Maybe one of the modders can chime in if someone asks them directly, I could ask Katarsys on his patreon and see what he uses to get access to feature and information code from the actual game for Kplug's journal feature to track sex stats.
I got the idea from when I worked at a fansub group and it was from how they do things. They have everyone lined up together in a production line, the translator gives a rough translation (he's just trying to translate the words as quickly as possible and not worrying about context or grammar). Then the editor fixes the translation to make it read fluently, then the timer attaches time stamps to the dialogue so that when he goes to mux it he can time the subtitles into the actual episode.

FYI I worked as an editor, and mostly it's an issue of making one sentence follow the next based on the situation. I think it is since personal pronouns are sometimes skipped when not needed in Japanese, and verbs follow the predicate, since the translator is trying to work as quickly as possible and simply translating words rather than sentences, someone describing his day may say to " to the store went" and would need to be edited to "I went to the store"

I was just thinking of something similar since that tends to really be the only problem because to be honest machine translations aren't terrible, they get the general point across. If someone was there to edit them for context it would look like a person who spoke both English and Japanese(a rarity) translated it. Only problem with machine translations get worse the longer the phrase is, so wall-of-text.jpg would become nonsence very quickly, but sentence by sentence translations as the characters say them would be pretty accurate.

That would narrow things down, as I think the H-scenes don't include dialogue, so someone would actually need to type and translate that.(don't quote me on that though)
 
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Ric I could assist with translations. While I'm not a native speaker, I have experience translating and have pretty good level of understanding (again not a pro just a hobbyist). Before HF died I was actually a UI and dialogue translator. I worked with Inquisitor and ManlyMarco for a couple mods. Also was a translator for a couple games on ULMF a few years ago also. Not sure how much I'd do, but I'm interested and if I see it gets active I will participate. I like the mysterious, trendy, and stubborn personalities.

I was working on the HSubs Google sheet for Koikatsu a while back, but that project kinda died since mostly no one cared about subs.
 
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Is there a better way to sneak up on masturbating/leasbian animations? I use ctrl to crouch but they still see me before the button prompt comes up, maybe I'm doing something wrong.
 

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Is there a better way to sneak up on masturbating/leasbian animations? I use ctrl to crouch but they still see me before the button prompt comes up, maybe I'm doing something wrong.
For starters, make sure you hold ctrl to squat down and sneak, otherwise they will see you 90% of the time. If you're in front of them or at less than a 90* and on either side(their peripheral vision) or they can see you come in they will see you. So trying to come in and sneaking around them won't work. It's all luck being able to walk in behind them then sneak up. As you get closer start hammering on the right trigger button because the line between "close enough" and "too close" is pretty thin.
 

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Kplug sounds like a cool mod from reading it's manual, there are a number of neat features I'd like to have. However in the readme it states that the mod isn't really compatible with the torrent download version and that I might have problems running it.

Has anybody experiemented with it? Maybe got it to work well or whatever? Maybe it works just fine out of the box and the readme is being dramatic?
He says that, but I use the torrent version and have yet to have any problem that can't be fixed by reassigning key binds ever since Jannie Replacer was removed.

Is there a better way to sneak up on masturbating/leasbian animations? I use ctrl to crouch but they still see me before the button prompt comes up, maybe I'm doing something wrong.
Just don't sneak through their line of sight, which is in a relatively narrow cone with the center of said cone being where they are facing, and don't get too close or they will be interrupted. Lesbian is a bit tougher since you have multiple line of sight cones to avoid.
 
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