- Jun 29, 2019
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I agree, It seems to me that he is complaining about the games complaints in this thread a bit too much to be just a concerned member.
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i paid to see all the animations of this game last year, they were garbage.
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Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy didn't even play the game, if he just saw all the negative feedback and jumped to the dev's defense without looking into our complaints.
The dev for this game is almost literally doing everything he can to ruin himself. The lack of free updates vs paid updates, the worst DRM on this site, PERIOD! And, as mentioned, the fact that he went back on promise one: he would listen to feedback. Me and many others gave him advice for success, numerous times, and the dev has gone counter to them every time, so either he is just pumping out updates without reading feedback, or he reads it and doesn't give a damn.
I had HOPE that the dev could make this work, as did others, but he showed no interest in accepting help when we were nice, so we started being nasty. Nothing worked, so all that will get through his skull is people not paying him. Maybe then he'll check here to see why he's working for 'free.'
Hello everyone, I haven’t talked for a long time and would like to highlight the main points that are constantly discussed here.
1. I add a scene every month for free access, and I do an update here only when a free scene comes out.
2. I give constant access to people who are patrons for a while (even when they are no longer patrons of the project). If something happens and the project closes, I will build it with all the scenes available and distribute it to my subscribers.
3. On the whole, I understand the aggression in my direction regarding the ideas of the project, everyone has different tastes and there’s no reason to discuss it.
4.Quality, I work on it, study. I already have good detail, physics, and so on.
Have a nice day everyone!
1. I add a scene every month for free access, and I do an update here only when a free scene comes out.
2. I give constant access to people who are patrons for a while (even when they are no longer patrons of the project). If something happens and the project closes, I will build it with all the scenes available and distribute it to my subscribers.
3. On the whole, I understand the aggression in my direction regarding the ideas of the project, everyone has different tastes and there’s no reason to discuss it.
4.Quality, I work on it, study. I already have good detail, physics, and so on.
Have a nice day everyone!
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This reminds me of how Sam's Club has recently started to require their exclusive membership just to walk through the door into the store, you don't know what's in there, but you're still charged even if you bought nothing at all, and they expect a monthly fee after the fact. . .
Since when did outlet malls become VIP Clubs? Nevermind the fact you're still paying them for something if you don't even go there anymore.
1: Doesn't seem to be true. We free users have gotten three scenes from you since I first learned of this project more than three months ago. By your statement, there shouldn't be much patreon locked content anymore
2: Until the 'server' shuts down, then everyone, free and patreon, is fucked in a bad way (and it will shut down one day)
3: You're right, there is no reason to discuss it, because it is, by parsecs, the WORST DRM anyone has encountered. Even worse, instead of unlocking past patreon content for free players, you instead make new scenes every once in a while, not every month, for freebies. I can't think of anyone else who does this. Worse, some of the content you specifically stated was for free users was locked behind patreon.
4: Debatable, since your quality work is forever hidden in patreon
I create paid scenes every month, as seen on the creator’s page. And one scene goes into free access. Everything is right in three months - three free scenes, this is the same as patrons get.
Horrible because you can’t get something for free? There are tons of online games, why can't an adult game be connected to a server? I already answered your question, if something happens to the project, the game is completely open without the server part going to patrons.
At the moment, not counting scenes with empty models, 13-paid 7-free. This is a normal ratio, I also make free new scenes with better quality.
And if you are so persistently following the project, then you would already see this pattern, when I post the update here it is always a free scene.
Of course I understand that this is a forum, everyone expresses their thoughts, but it’s not quite decent to call me a liar
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I think you missed the point here my friend.
DRM is fine on some things but if it locks out those who payed after the server is cut off then they will get upset.
Let me put it this way. WildLife does not have a DRM and they know people will pirate the game anyway so they said why not let them have it and advertise it that way? You see DRM rubs the whole world the wrong way. Want proof? EA did it and they recieved so much hate that they had to GO TO COURT to settle it.
Activision did it and the media backlash was so bad they had to REMAKE AN ENTIRE GAME.
Ubisoft did it and fans STOPPED BUYING THE GAME and started HACKING INTO IT.
See a pattern?
DRM can be good if USED RIGHT. Right now it seems as if you are going the way of EA. If they can't pay they are wanting everything for free. Hate to say it but I can quote the CEO of EA by saying this, "If customers do not want to pay then they are just pirates anyway and we will not support them in anyway."
I am not saying you should not make money for the things you are making, but making a DRM so ridiculous that if patreon shuts you down (trust me it WILL happen) or you stop making the game your fans will lose all access. The only person will hurt in the long run will not be them but YOU. Word of mouth can make or break any business and as a man who owns 3 body shops and a store I can tell you the public can either make you rich or destroy you.
There I said my piece and gave you a bit of insight. Now it is up to you if you listen or continue acting like the victim and repeating history.
DRM is fine on some things but if it locks out those who payed after the server is cut off then they will get upset.
Let me put it this way. WildLife does not have a DRM and they know people will pirate the game anyway so they said why not let them have it and advertise it that way? You see DRM rubs the whole world the wrong way. Want proof? EA did it and they recieved so much hate that they had to GO TO COURT to settle it.
Activision did it and the media backlash was so bad they had to REMAKE AN ENTIRE GAME.
Ubisoft did it and fans STOPPED BUYING THE GAME and started HACKING INTO IT.
See a pattern?
DRM can be good if USED RIGHT. Right now it seems as if you are going the way of EA. If they can't pay they are wanting everything for free. Hate to say it but I can quote the CEO of EA by saying this, "If customers do not want to pay then they are just pirates anyway and we will not support them in anyway."
I am not saying you should not make money for the things you are making, but making a DRM so ridiculous that if patreon shuts you down (trust me it WILL happen) or you stop making the game your fans will lose all access. The only person will hurt in the long run will not be them but YOU. Word of mouth can make or break any business and as a man who owns 3 body shops and a store I can tell you the public can either make you rich or destroy you.
There I said my piece and gave you a bit of insight. Now it is up to you if you listen or continue acting like the victim and repeating history.
And that is why game studios use expensive denuvo) Many companies protect their games in various ways, someone does nothing at all. I release for free users as many scenes as for patrons, as I wrote earlier. Isn't that fair?
It is fair but once again the DRM does make people hostile. They see all the content but have to login to access it thus requiring them to be online to do so. Many people do not like to be online when they are playing or watching anything "taboo" because it can be traced and even show their info. This is why I said what I did.
You see the way it is perceived at the current moment is that they can see everything but have to pay to see it.
1 dollar only gets you so much and 10 is not worth it to them. The best way to make everyone happy is to make a tier for the in between. 1 to get the bare minimum and say animations after x amount of days.
5 to get more animations after a shorter period of time they get newer things. And finally 10 for those who want it all now.
It is up to you in the end but like I said before about locking out everyone try to find a better solution is all I am saying.
I would be a bit pissed if I paid lets say for 6 months and Patreon says shut it down then I am down 60 dollars AND I do not get to access what I paid for at all. It would be a different story if you went to SubscribeStar though. You see SubStar DOES NOT CARE what content you put on it. Case in point ANIMO makes horse bestiality videos and Bloodhawk makes cub based NSFW animations.
You see Patreon is known to randomly change rules due to them being in a 50/50 partnership with Paypal. Thus the company must abide by not only laws BUT Paypal's NO ADULT CONTENT rules. It is only a matter of time before Patreon shuts all adult stuff down. Hell just recently they said no to anime. Let that sink in. ANIME to them is sexualizing minors in every aspect. Like I said they keep changing the rules.
Sorry about long rant but I do speak the truth though.
You see the way it is perceived at the current moment is that they can see everything but have to pay to see it.
1 dollar only gets you so much and 10 is not worth it to them. The best way to make everyone happy is to make a tier for the in between. 1 to get the bare minimum and say animations after x amount of days.
5 to get more animations after a shorter period of time they get newer things. And finally 10 for those who want it all now.
It is up to you in the end but like I said before about locking out everyone try to find a better solution is all I am saying.
I would be a bit pissed if I paid lets say for 6 months and Patreon says shut it down then I am down 60 dollars AND I do not get to access what I paid for at all. It would be a different story if you went to SubscribeStar though. You see SubStar DOES NOT CARE what content you put on it. Case in point ANIMO makes horse bestiality videos and Bloodhawk makes cub based NSFW animations.
You see Patreon is known to randomly change rules due to them being in a 50/50 partnership with Paypal. Thus the company must abide by not only laws BUT Paypal's NO ADULT CONTENT rules. It is only a matter of time before Patreon shuts all adult stuff down. Hell just recently they said no to anime. Let that sink in. ANIME to them is sexualizing minors in every aspect. Like I said they keep changing the rules.
Sorry about long rant but I do speak the truth though.
- Jan 16, 2019
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Ohhhh boy I told myself I was so done with this thread but... I been lurking and lurkers gonna lurk.
Look i'm not going to go too much into this because I don't want to sound more stupid than I already know I am, but you are speaking truth. The Game here doesn't even need to go down this Path of DRM but I suppose it's, again like you said, all fair to use it, it's just heavily looked down upon. Plenty of Devs who make H-Games of all kinds use other means of sharing their games without DRM such as: Releasing what is currently done, Releasing 2 different kinds of builds for Public and Patron, Giving earlier access to the newer builds of the game, the list goes on and probably those are some of the most common ways. Look Dev, we are not here to hate on you, just feedback and discussion. My last messages STILL stand, I can't really commit myself to a Project if our suggestions are ignored, you will certainly get Patrons, but EA still also gets their pieces in too now don't they? My wishes remain true and good luck to you on your Project.
I do not think that patreon will refuse adult content, they will lose too much money. And they never block the project abruptly, usually a notification comes that something does not suit them and you either correct your content or leave. I understand the concern about this, I talked with support and everything is fine. It seemed to me that getting content over time confused people. And so you get everything right away, starting with one dollar. Perhaps this annoys those who were not going to pay the creator initially. In general, patreon has a specific system, you can promise, download the content and then just cancel your payment
1. Great kudos to you
2. That's just talk you have no way of proving you will distribute it to your subscribers so it still doesn't change that if anyone is paying they might lose access.
3. No need to answer people that are insulting you but not answering the valuable criticism from many here is just like saying : Sorry but I don't really care about what you think
4. Great, there is no way for us to find out if it's true since we can't see the content for all we know you could release the best scenes for free but once we pay the rest of the scenes are garbage, that's just an assumption of course your game might be very well done but there is no way for us to know that.
naww... listen to me chickens !!
its dev decision to do whatever he want... if you not agree on fact he put some stuff behind paywall (even everything if he want) , you can just move away without being rude.
i aint protect anybody, i just give simple warning . if the thread goes too much into "paywall shit" chat, moderators will come here and tell you straigth tha the thread is supposed to be for people who give opinion about the game, not about dev decision to "hide" stuff.
you play the game, test it, and give opinion of what it is. they are no need to shit chat long about paywall and such. that's dev decision and this have nothing to dowith the game istelf ( it didnt lock you to play the game simply, you can always play the game with what's NOT locked)
soo, simple warning, avoid going too much into paywall shit chat, thread aint here for that. keep it cool and give opinion of the game itself, not dev decisions.
my only warning... who know... maybe next warning will come from a true moderator and some people may get a warning.
stay cool, and give up the paywall shit chat. give opinion about the game itself or what you can play with it. dev decision shouldnt be discuss, its his game, his choice, his consequences...
chickens ! free time...
its dev decision to do whatever he want... if you not agree on fact he put some stuff behind paywall (even everything if he want) , you can just move away without being rude.
i aint protect anybody, i just give simple warning . if the thread goes too much into "paywall shit" chat, moderators will come here and tell you straigth tha the thread is supposed to be for people who give opinion about the game, not about dev decision to "hide" stuff.
you play the game, test it, and give opinion of what it is. they are no need to shit chat long about paywall and such. that's dev decision and this have nothing to dowith the game istelf ( it didnt lock you to play the game simply, you can always play the game with what's NOT locked)
soo, simple warning, avoid going too much into paywall shit chat, thread aint here for that. keep it cool and give opinion of the game itself, not dev decisions.
my only warning... who know... maybe next warning will come from a true moderator and some people may get a warning.
stay cool, and give up the paywall shit chat. give opinion about the game itself or what you can play with it. dev decision shouldnt be discuss, its his game, his choice, his consequences...
chickens ! free time...
You're right it's the dev decision to do what he wants with the game, it's his creation he's free to do as he pleases and we're free to criticize his choices. This site isn't to give opinions on games it's a forum to share pirated games, mods, pictures, etc... It's also a forum where you can start a discussion which is exactly what we are doing.
The dev doesn't have to listen to what we have to say but it won't change our opinion on the subject neither will trying to shut us down because we voice our discontent on the matter, if you're looking to censor people and not listen to what the community has to say he can always release his game on the Epic store.
like i say, thread are here for discuss about the game. not dev decision.
i justsay that to avoid eventually thread to go beserk...
better safe than sorry.
The paywall is inherently a part of the game. So discussing it is discussing the "game".