VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.200] [Lust & Passion]

[john_jones21]

These long explanations can be perceived as excuses. What L&P should do is hire someone to help him with the game, like all developers do when the VN gets too big.

If I was to guess he's more likely to make another attempt at getting patrons to accept quarter day releases.

Corruption games all have the same problem, how do you maintain interest once the corruption has happened? It just becomes an endless series of sex scenes. See Elena's Life for example.

At some point this developer will be trying to get people interested in his next project - who's going to sign up for something that takes many years to get anywhere? Slow burn, tease and gradual corruption are all totally fine with me but this is a few months short of 3 years since it started and we can suppose the developer started some time before that again.

 

[Lederzar]

If I was to guess he's more likely to make another attempt at getting patrons to accept quarter day releases.

Corruption games all have the same problem, how do you maintain interest once the corruption has happened? It just becomes an endless series of sex scenes. See Elena's Life for example.

At some point this developer will be trying to get people interested in his next project - who's going to sign up for something that takes many years to get anywhere? Slow burn, tease and gradual corruption are all totally fine with me but this is a few months short of 3 years since it started and we can suppose the developer started some time before that again.

In my opinion, that is the main problem that L&P has, the time it takes to give new updates, it is 30 playable days and we are going for day 11, let's add to this that this year we will only have 2 updates that make only one playable day,it's too much,the VN is great and I don't think people will lose interest even after Sophia is totally corrupted and she has fucked Dylan and Ellie(to quote someone)beacuse the story is solid, what is really killing AwAm is the delay IMO

 

[RChandler]

There's a way to write a game like this, attempting to portray a real development of the main character, and still deliver some action gradually without it just turning into another VN where everyone f@*&#s everyone at the drop of a hat. For example, the main character could have a discussion with one of the women and the other woman ask if she's ever kissed a woman? She then surprises all of us by saying, well, yes, in high school my best friend and I had never kissed a boy and we practiced with each other. The friend says, and how did you like it? Sophia blushes, and says, well, to be honest, it did turn me on, but I always felt like that was "wrong." The conversation can continue, the friend can say if you ever want to explore that side of you, safely, and as slow as you want to go, I would be happy to help you with that. The Sophia has that in the back of her mind, burning her, she thinks about the way she knows a part of her has always known she's been attracted to women, but she's been raised to think that's wrong. But what could it hurt to just dip my toe in the water, just once or twice, just to see? Etc. Then one path is that she does slowly explore this with the friend, in a slow and sensual path, maybe just starting with a kiss on a sofa leading to making out. Then a choice, do I take this further? If not, maybe later. If so, then a very sensual scene between the two of them.

There are a lot of ways to have a thoughtful mature story that actually includes action scenes.

 

[armion82]

Well, L&P says that this update is around 1300 renders, and we know that with this game each line of dialogue usually has a render because for each line a dialogue a facial expression might change, or the camera angle might change to focus on another character, or the character might shift the position of their body, arm, head, etc.

If L&P were to write just 800 lines of dialogue, then it would only require around 800 renders, so there's the reduction right there.

However, the main issue is how does L&P take a full day like Day 11 which, when combined with the 1st half will be around 1800 renders (the first half of Day 11 is just 515 renders), and make the next full days less than that in order to produce full day updates instead of half-days? This is what L&P needs to solve and they conceivably could do this when you consider that the first part of this day was around half the number of renders of the 2nd part, so it's entirely possible that L&P could do a full day in around 1000 renders.

In order to do this, of course, they need to not go overboard with the writing, because if they can produce 1300 renders for a half-day update in 5 months, then they can presumably produce 1000 renders for a full day update in 4 months. This would quite literally cut development time in half because 19 full day updates every 4 months would take around 6 years, as opposed to the half-day updates every 4-5 months which would take 12-15 years.

Only the 3 events yoga,Ellie/Julia and Sophia/Alyssa are almost 1100 renders.Pretty sure that the whole update will be more than 1300 renders.Maybe even something like 1500.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Only the 3 events yoga,Ellie/Julia and Sophia/Alyssa are almost 1100 renders.Pretty sure that the whole update will be more than 1300 renders.Maybe even something like 1500.

But that still seems like too many renders for this few events. It will still look good I'm sure, but it could also have surely been done with far less renders and still been just as good.

 

[RChandler]

I think the key is that some amateur writers don't understand that 1500 words is not better than 500 very well chosen words. I was a professional writer for about 20 years and learned from some great editors that great writers are very selective and thoughtful in their writing. Articles in top magazines are typically more professional (not always, of course) than those on web sites, because there's no word count limit on a web site. L&P and most writers need a good editor, or need to learn some of the basics that professional writers are taught early in their career. You can express the thoughts, the concept, the idea, the drama, in a couple of lines of well chosen dialog, and sometimes trying to do the same in 100 lines waters it down and makes it less effective.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

But that still seems like too many renders for this few events. It will still look good I'm sure, but it could also have surely been done with far less renders and still been just as good.

Every time I read one of L&P's updates, and he talks about the number of Renders and CS he's creating, One thought that comes to my mind is Quality vs Quantity? Does he believe these actually go hand and hand? Because it seems to me that he believes in order to achieve Quality you need Quantity.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Every time I read one of L&P's updates, and he talks about the number of Renders and CS he's creating, One thought that comes to my mind is Quality vs Quantity? Does he believe these actually go hand and hand? Because it seems to me that he believes in order to achieve Quality you need Quantity.

Exactly. Quality over quantity every time. It's like when Lamborghini produce a new supercar and they only make 50 of them because it's about producing a quality vehicle in a lesser quantity, not a lesser quality vehicle in a higher quantity. That's not to say that this is a lesser qualty game because it most certainly isn't, but that it can be just as if not more high quality with far fewer renders.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Exactly. Quality over quantity every time. It's like when Lamborghini produce a new supercar and they only make 50 of them because it's about producing a quality vehicle in a lesser quantity, not a lesser quality vehicle in a higher quantity. That's not to say that this is lesser qualty game because it most certainly isn't, but that it can be just as if not more high quality with far fewer renders.

I agree. But when you read some of Patreon members' comments, They keep saying quality, quality, quality. It seems they think it goes hand to hand as well, but I don't think they fully grasp the concept that Quality is not achieved through Quantity either.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I agree. But when you read some of Patreon members' comments, They keep saying quality, quality, quality. It seems they think it goes hand to hand as well, but I don't think they fully grasp the concept that Quality is not achieved through Quantity either.

I wonder how many of them are actually aware of just how long this game will take to produce at its current pace and if they would change their tune to know that, as of what we know right now, it could take 12-15 years before we get to the end of Day 30 if each day continues to have as many events and renders as they have at the moment.

 

[Old Dog]

I wonder how many of them are actually aware of just how long this game will take to produce at its current pace and if they would change their tune to know that, as of what we know right now, it could take 12-15 years before we get to the end of Day 30 if each day continues to have as many events and renders as they have at the moment.

On the comments I don't think that the Patrons will go for 1080p.
then again has L&P already made up his mind what he is going to do and is just curious to find out what his Patrons think.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

On the comments I don't think that the Patrons will go for 1080p.

But would they go for full day updates if it means less renders? Sometimes it seems like they wouldn't and if L&P listens to that then those patrons are also part of the problem.

 

[Old Dog]

But would they go for full day updates if it means less renders? Sometimes it seems like they wouldn't and if L&P listens to that then those patrons are also part of the problem.

They had a vote for this a while back and the Patrons decided to stick to a half day update

 

[arbin]

who dislike this has no idea!

 

[arbin]

this hold and tease is even the best part it makes it even more interesting i cant wait for the next update!!

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I wonder how many of them are actually aware of just how long this game will take to produce at its current pace and if they would change their tune to know that, as of what we know right now, it could take 12-15 years before we get to the end of Day 30 if each day continues to have as many events and renders as they have at the moment.

Hell, just take a look at his open post to all right now, it's pretty much the same with a members-only post. The reoccurring theme is "I'll support you no matter how long it takes." When you see a post like that from his members then it defeats the purpose of trying to point out how long this is going to take.

Not to mention, He's going to take breaks in between for Family, Holiday or Vacation, and other life events. Plus if he decides to take the updates to 1/4 days, then you're looking production time exceeding 12-15 years. Hell, his comment about how it wasn't going to take 10 years and that he would only need 3 to 4 years went out the window already. I strongly think he will burn out or grow tired of the novel due to how many tasks he currently is shouldering which he continues to keep adding and adding.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

They had a vote for this a while back and the Patrons decided to stick to a half day update

Yes, I remember that, but I also remember that that was in the context of whether or not they'd prefer content to be drip-fed as and when it's completed, or to have the update delivered as one complete package.

A better poll for L&P to run would be to ask the patrons if they would rather have half-day updates with 1000+ renders in each, or full day updates with 1000+ renders. They should also give patrons the context that this game has 30 planned playable days and that updates can take 4+ months. Knowing that we're only just now finishing Day 11, I would hope most patrons would see sense and vote for the 2nd option.

 

[Old Dog]

Yes, I remember that, but I also remember that that was in the context of whether or not they'd prefer content to be drip-fed as and when it's completed, or to have the update delivered as one complete package.

A better poll for L&P to run would be to ask the patrons if they would rather have half-day updates with 1000+ renders in each, or full day updates with 1000+ renders. They should also give patrons the context that this game has 30 planned playable days and that updates can take 4+ months. Knowing that we're only just now finishing Day 11, I would hope most patrons would see sense and vote for the 2nd option.

I would like to see a full update every 3 months and if he did reduce the dialog/renders i think that he could do this.
I don't want to see smaller updates as in 1 update= morning and 2 update= noon and so on.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

On the comments I don't think that the Patrons will go for 1080p.
then again has L&P already made up his mind what he is going to do and is just curious to find out what his Patrons thiml.

I wonder how much animation is in this update if there is any at all. I would figure there would be some considering the size. If there is animation, I hope it exceeds the Kissing Club scene and shower scene.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I would like to see a full update every 3 months and if he did reduce the dialog/renders i think that he could do this.
I don't want to see smaller updates as in 1 update= morning and 2 update= noon and so on.

And I'm sure you along with myself and Dr.Fapalot would all vote for the 2nd option if L&P did that poll. The question is, would enough patrons vote for that and if it won, would L&P actually listen?