Ren'Py The Headmaster [v0.15.3.1 Public] [Altos and Herdone]

[thetrenchcoat169]

I just noticed another detail.

In the bad ending of discipline reaching to zero,
Paul Mykock says he was playing golf with a Russian ambassador before hearing the students' riot while
Sally mentioned that Susan Chang once did a horrible experiment on captured soilders from enemy country.

So here is the question, if Paul Mykock is in good terms with Russian ambassador,
who could possibly be the enemy country against UK here?

Wait, this game is set in the UK? I always thought that devs wanted to just sorta keep where the game was set ambiguous (though I also felt like it was some sort of first world country that was a former British colony like Canada or Australia, but much less important). I feel like this makes sense, because of the inclusion of the Indian girl and because the government has a sort of 'nanny state' mentality.

As for the war, it was definitely not with some major power due to how nuclear weapons have effected war. If I had to guess I would say that they probably got wrapped up in the war on terror, though given how Chang's age is left ambiguous (if I remember correctly) it could have been something from longer ago, like Vietnam or even Korea or Malaysia. Maybe they just intervened in one of the smaller wars in the pacific that people never talked about (keep in mind I say this while taking the position that the country that the game is set in is most likely supposed to be similar to Australia or New Zealand).

Then again, this is all just a silly porn game that I probably shouldn't be wasting time ranting about.

Edit: Also, I don't think Mycock being in bed with the Russian ambassador was supposed to be a message that the country the game is set in is allies with Russia. I think that line's just in there to show how powerful and connected Mycock is.

 

[F22232425]

Wait, this game is set in the UK? I always thought that devs wanted to just sorta keep where the game was set ambiguous (though I also felt like it was some sort of first world country that was a former British colony like Canada or Australia, but much less important). I feel like this makes sense, because of the inclusion of the Indian girl and because the government has a sort of 'nanny state' mentality.

As for the war, it was definitely not with some major power due to how nuclear weapons have effected war. If I had to guess I would say that they probably got wrapped up in the war on terror, though given how Chang's age is left ambiguous (if I remember correctly) it could have been something from longer ago, like Vietnam or even Korea or Malaysia. Maybe they just intervened in one of the smaller wars in the pacific that people never talked about (keep in mind I say this while taking the position that the country that the game is set in is most likely supposed to be similar to Australia or New Zealand).

Then again, this is all just a silly porn game that I probably shouldn't be wasting time ranting about.

Edit: Also, I don't think Mycock being in bed with the Russian ambassador was supposed to be a message that the country the game is set in is allies with Russia. I think that line's just in there to show how powerful and connected Mycock is.

I actually think the enemy here maybe terrorist, like from ISIS or example.
Since Chang is Asian, it's unlikely she wanted to do experiments on Asian soilders, and Asian is actually far away from UK's conflict of interest.

And it's definitely not America or Europe, because Charolotte is American while Emily is claimed to be a nudist from East Europe, and UK has just quitted the sort of "Human Right Act" according to Maxine's story arc.

What surprised me is that Mycock(Mykock) is actually connected to Russian agents because Russian is often sterotyped as the antangonist after the cold war, but I think it makes more sense if Russia is behind all the conspiracy part here.

 

[TheDevian]

I actually think the enemy here maybe terrorist, like from ISIS or example.
Since Chang is Asian, it's unlikely she wanted to do experiments on Asian soilders, and Asian is actually far away from UK's conflict of interest.

And it's definitely not America or Europe, because Charolotte is American while Emily is claimed to be a nudist from East Europe, and UK has just quitted the sort of "Human Right Act" according to Maxine's story arc.

What surprised me is that Mycock(Mykock) is actually connected to Russian agents because Russian is often sterotyped as the antangonist after the cold war, but I think it makes more sense if Russia is behind all the conspiracy part here.

Well, those soldiers were ones that (IIRC) worked with Sally, that kind of narrows it down. Though it could have been captured troops.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

Wait, this game is set in the UK? I always thought that devs wanted to just sorta keep where the game was set ambiguous (though I also felt like it was some sort of first world country that was a former British colony like Canada or Australia, but much less important). I feel like this makes sense, because of the inclusion of the Indian girl and because the government has a sort of 'nanny state' mentality.

As for the war, it was definitely not with some major power due to how nuclear weapons have effected war. If I had to guess I would say that they probably got wrapped up in the war on terror, though given how Chang's age is left ambiguous (if I remember correctly) it could have been something from longer ago, like Vietnam or even Korea or Malaysia. Maybe they just intervened in one of the smaller wars in the pacific that people never talked about (keep in mind I say this while taking the position that the country that the game is set in is most likely supposed to be similar to Australia or New Zealand).

Then again, this is all just a silly porn game that I probably shouldn't be wasting time ranting about.

Edit: Also, I don't think Mycock being in bed with the Russian ambassador was supposed to be a message that the country the game is set in is allies with Russia. I think that line's just in there to show how powerful and connected Mycock is.

WHY U BRINGING CANADA INTO THIS?

No I firmly believe that the Island nation is the UK. For one I believe its a English speaking "Caucasian" dominant nation so it being an Asian Island nation is not possible. Not could it be Iceland let alone Greenland. Australia is considered an continental nation and not an island nation per say, as it has Tectonic independence from other continents. And yes, New Zealand is an island nation but needs international treaties that bind it with other counties to protect it's self from other larger world powers IE China. So I don't see it making bold policy move that would isolate it from it's allies. No the nation would have to be a fictional UK. It's show it's self willing to cripple it's self economically with Brexit so I can see it doing the same with personal liberty.

As for the war I greatly believe its some sort of cold war with Russia and/or China. Tensions between the UK and Russia have been rising steadily in the last decade. From assassinations on to cyber warfare and propaganda on British soil. And then there's China, The belt and road had greatly affected the EU and China's meddling and destabilizing of the EU in their bid to corner the shipping industry in Europe and Africa was also a contributing factor in rising tension between the two nations. I could go on but I think only ATLOS can answer the whole war debate.

As for MyKock, his employer is OBVIOUSLY A Billionaire so of course MyKock would be the perfect middle man to meet the Russia ambassador.

AND IT'S NOT JUST A SILLY GAME YOU JERK!

I actually think the enemy here maybe terrorist, like from ISIS or example.
Since Chang is Asian, it's unlikely she wanted to do experiments on Asian soilders, and Asian is actually far away from UK's conflict of interest.

And it's definitely not America or Europe, because Charolotte is American while Emily is claimed to be a nudist from East Europe, and UK has just quitted the sort of "Human Right Act" according to Maxine's story arc.

What surprised me is that Mycock(Mykock) is actually connected to Russian agents because Russian is often sterotyped as the antangonist after the cold war, but I think it makes more sense if Russia is behind all the conspiracy part here.

I don't think terrorist are the answer. I think it's more enemy soldier from proxy nations. There's no way they would ship back and hold enemy combatants to the country as their are some law that they would be breaking and could not. So the base would have to be "In Country" and I don't see any corporate or government entity conducting such valuable research in such an unsecured region. NO intelligence agency would allow that nor would an enemy one NOT use the opportunity to get priceless knowledge not to mention a golden opportunity to expose said experiments to international condemnation.

Well, those soldiers were ones that (IIRC) worked with Sally, that kind of narrows it down. Though it could have been captured troops.

No I specifically remember Sally saying experimenting on enemy soldiers... SOMEONE GET US A SCREEN SHIT STAT!

 

[Cartageno]

Since Chang is Asian, it's unlikely she wanted to do experiments on Asian soilders, and Asian is actually far away from UK's conflict of interest.

Well, gotta disagree here. First, Asia is huge, and Koreans have little to do with Tamil, Azeri, or Palestinians and vice versa. Second, by now there are enough United Kingdomians with Asian descent who feel United Kingdomian through and through and wouldn't hesitate to defend their nation against those of their ancestors. Most importantly though, there have been "traitors to their people" all over the place who worked with an enemy considering them even subhuman, from slaves taking the side of slave owners in the US all the way to Jews supporting Hitler.

As for areas of interest: The UK has fought/is fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and recent events in Hong Kong have also raised voices from the UK.

No I firmly believe that the Island nation is the UK. For one I believe its a English speaking "Caucasian" dominant nation so it being an Asian Island nation is not possible. Not could it be Iceland let alone Greenland. Australia is considered an continental nation and not an island nation per say, as it has Tectonic independence from other continents. And yes, New Zealand is an island nation but needs international treaties that bind it with other counties to protect it's self from other larger world powers IE China. So I don't see it making bold policy move that would isolate it from it's allies. No the nation would have to be a fictional UK. It's show it's self willing to cripple it's self economically with Brexit so I can see it doing the same with personal liberty.

Apart from the fact that dystopian nations never need a real life explanation why they chose to be dystopian, I think it is firmly established that we're in the UK. The population make up and the names are already a great hint (though could work for Kiwistan admittedly), but Chang's unfinished quest has a British military contractor in it (in the old headmaster's notes you'll find the name). Given the mountaineous area and remoteness I would tend to go Scotland here, but that is of secondary importance.

I may be mistaken but I even think I remember Altos publicly stating we're in the UK.

 

[yuserneim]

while Emily is claimed to be a nudist from East Europe

Emily is from Swindon iirc. (at least her parents are)

 

[F22232425]

Well, gotta disagree here.

Actually, there's a better example from the history.
During WW2, Offspring from German immigrants in U.S fight against Nazi German and Japanese American too.

I admit I was a bit rushed to draw the conclusion because we still haven't known much about Chang whether she is truly
heartless scientist now that we seen her join D&D game.

The sad part about terrorism is the fact that brainwashed fanatics that make UK as their home returned to their motherland infected by ISIS and trained as terrorists to come back to commit domestic terrorism, but I am afraid this is off topic here.

 

[F22232425]

Emily is from Swindon iirc. (at least her parents are)

My English is bad, I was trying to express the headmaster's knowledge and awarness by faking Emily as East European Nudist to support the statement that UK is not at war with Europe.

 

[thetrenchcoat169]

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WHY U BRINGING CANADA INTO THIS?

No I firmly believe that the Island nation is the UK. For one I believe its a English speaking "Caucasian" dominant nation so it being an Asian Island nation is not possible. Not could it be Iceland let alone Greenland. Australia is considered an continental nation and not an island nation per say, as it has Tectonic independence from other continents. And yes, New Zealand is an island nation but needs international treaties that bind it with other counties to protect it's self from other larger world powers IE China. So I don't see it making bold policy move that would isolate it from it's allies. No the nation would have to be a fictional UK. It's show it's self willing to cripple it's self economically with Brexit so I can see it doing the same with personal liberty.

As for the war I greatly believe its some sort of cold war with Russia and/or China. Tensions between the UK and Russia have been rising steadily in the last decade. From assassinations on to cyber warfare and propaganda on British soil. And then there's China, The belt and road had greatly affected the EU and China's meddling and destabilizing of the EU in their bid to corner the shipping industry in Europe and Africa was also a contributing factor in rising tension between the two nations. I could go on but I think only ATLOS can answer the whole war debate.

As for MyKock, his employer is OBVIOUSLY A Billionaire so of course MyKock would be the perfect middle man to meet the Russia ambassador.

AND IT'S NOT JUST A SILLY GAME YOU JERK!


I don't think terrorist are the answer. I think it's more enemy soldier from proxy nations. There's no way they would ship back and hold enemy combatants to the country as their are some law that they would be breaking and could not. So the base would have to be "In Country" and I don't see any corporate or government entity conducting such valuable research in such an unsecured region. NO intelligence agency would allow that nor would an enemy one NOT use the opportunity to get priceless knowledge not to mention a golden opportunity to expose said experiments to international condemnation.


No I specifically remember Sally saying experimenting on enemy soldiers... SOMEONE GET US A SCREEN SHIT STAT!

Well, Australia and New Zealand are actually both majority 'Caucasian' countries that were originally settled by British colonists (like the US and Canada), so I think that calling them 'Asian' isn't really correct. Also I think that the 'is Australia an island or a continent argument is kinda stupid'. It's a landmass that's surrounded by water and cut off from both Afro-Eurasia and the Americas, so I think regardless of what you classify it as, it functions like an island.

I also think that the island nation in the game wouldn't have it's ability to conduct it's domestic affairs restricted by international military alliances. Saudi Arabia is one of the US's biggest allies in the middle east and they do a lot of things that the average American doesn't like. To a lesser degree, America does a lot of things within it's own borders that European countries don't like, but they still rely on us for defense. Countries will often ignore disagreements on internal affairs if there is some external incentive that makes cooperation extremely beneficial.

My only disagreement with you on Britain is that I think they are already 100% down with curtailing individual liberties at this point. Still, I just can't picture this game as being set in Britain or set in a country that was based on Britain. I feel like it is more similar to one of the former colonies.

As for the stuff you said about the cold war with Russia and China, I think it would make some sense. The only thing that you are missing is the term 'proxy war' (Which is what I think you were trying to say).

Lastly, I think alot of people in this thread are over-thinking Chang's allegiance/motivations. I think she's just some person of Chinese descent that's just living in the west and doesn't really care about geo-politics. I kinda read her as a sort of mad scientist who just wants to fuck around.

Also, I guess it is at least a little more than 'just a silly game'. It's probably one of the best games on this site.

 

[Phil5k]

Bro why the guides are so messed up nothing is straight forward..

it is a sandbox game where you can have different events in different orders... a straight up walkthrough just isn't possible

Tangoman, if you - or anyone else - has any ideas about how to improve the guides, I'd be happy to hear them. After all, the guides are only worthwhile if people actually find them useful. But as Cartageno points out, there's a lot of different parts to this game, which can be done in different orders. I tried to find a logical way to organize the guides: the walkthrough is sorted by quest, the game guide is in the same order as the Event Log, and the punishment guide is by student. But please let me know if you've got any better ideas.

And while we're talking about the guides...

AltosandHerdone, I noticed that the version of the guides you've still got up on your discord is about to celebrate its first birthday! Can I suggest you might want to remove your copies or update them with the newest versions?

(Who knows, it might even help with the current rash of "how to I punish this girl and raise her to level X" queries that seem to be on your discord at the moment.)

And obviously, if you've got any comments about the guides I'd be happy to hear them as well - after all, it's your game

 

[Whirblewind]

Tangoman, if you - or anyone else - has any ideas about how to improve the guides, I'd be happy to hear them.

Your guides are amazing, dude. I struggle to find fault, but if I try really hard, the best I can suggest is moving to a pdf with internal links and making it all just one guide that people can move around in (and still keep multiple open if they wish). I'm fortunate to have been balls deep from the early days but the guides may overwhelm people just jumping in now, owing to it being a bunch of different text-only guides.

If I had to point out an example, look at the official Mythic Manor guide for a good example of toc/internal linking done well.

 

[Nakasan]

this thread is kinda getting out of hand with nonsense posts

 

[mordred93]

Well, Australia and New Zealand are actually both majority 'Caucasian' countries that were originally settled by British colonists (like the US and Canada), so I think that calling them 'Asian' isn't really correct. Also I think that the 'is Australia an island or a continent argument is kinda stupid'. It's a landmass that's surrounded by water and cut off from both Afro-Eurasia and the Americas, so I think regardless of what you classify it as, it functions like an island.

I also think that the island nation in the game wouldn't have it's ability to conduct it's domestic affairs restricted by international military alliances. Saudi Arabia is one of the US's biggest allies in the middle east and they do a lot of things that the average American doesn't like. To a lesser degree, America does a lot of things within it's own borders that European countries don't like, but they still rely on us for defense. Countries will often ignore disagreements on internal affairs if there is some external incentive that makes cooperation extremely beneficial.

My only disagreement with you on Britain is that I think they are already 100% down with curtailing individual liberties at this point. Still, I just can't picture this game as being set in Britain or set in a country that was based on Britain. I feel like it is more similar to one of the former colonies.

As for the stuff you said about the cold war with Russia and China, I think it would make some sense. The only thing that you are missing is the term 'proxy war' (Which is what I think you were trying to say).

Lastly, I think alot of people in this thread are over-thinking Chang's allegiance/motivations. I think she's just some person of Chinese descent that's just living in the west and doesn't really care about geo-politics. I kinda read her as a sort of mad scientist who just wants to fuck around.

Also, I guess it is at least a little more than 'just a silly game'. It's probably one of the best games on this site.

Could be Singapore. Multi-National melting pot, English Speaking, Hub of a ton of International headquarters, Government that is willing to push boundaries on "Civil Liberties", follows mostly British legal system.

Just a thought.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

Well, gotta disagree here. First, Asia is huge, and Koreans have little to do with Tamil, Azeri, or Palestinians and vice versa. Second, by now there are enough United Kingdomians with Asian descent who feel United Kingdomian through and through and wouldn't hesitate to defend their nation against those of their ancestors. Most importantly though, there have been "traitors to their people" all over the place who worked with an enemy considering them even subhuman, from slaves taking the side of slave owners in the US all the way to Jews supporting Hitler.

As for areas of interest: The UK has fought/is fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and recent events in Hong Kong have also raised voices from the UK.

Apart from the fact that dystopian nations never need a real life explanation why they chose to be dystopian, I think it is firmly established that we're in the UK. The population make up and the names are already a great hint (though could work for Kiwistan admittedly), but Chang's unfinished quest has a British military contractor in it (in the old headmaster's notes you'll find the name). Given the mountaineous area and remoteness I would tend to go Scotland here, but that is of secondary importance.

I may be mistaken but I even think I remember Altos publicly stating we're in the UK.

RIGHT?! Though I didn't include Humpty Dumpty Era issues as I don't think Altos was considering them at the creation of the game.

Personally I don't think Dystopian nations are fantasy anymore. I can think of a few right now that are Dystopian if not one step away... Can anyone guess who I'm talking about? Yes I'm talking about big old Belarus! lol you thought I was gonna say America eh? well it might as well be if Trump wins. Also Brazil, Russia. And Brexit it a step in that direction if you think about it.

Emily is from Swindon iirc. (at least her parents are)

Swindon as in the British Town or her parents are Swedish from Sweden?

The sad part about terrorism is the fact that brainwashed fanatics that make UK as their home returned to their motherland infected by ISIS and trained as terrorists to come back to commit domestic terrorism, but I am afraid this is off topic here.

I don't think the UK in the game has done away with enough law that It can imprison home grown terrorist and conduct the experiments that Sally described on Immigrant resident or citizens. So Terrorist is still out IMO.

My English is bad, I was trying to express the headmaster's knowledge and awarness by faking Emily as East European Nudist to support the statement that UK is not at war with Europe.

Did the HM say East Europeans? I could of sworn it was something else. But irregardless, I don't think there was any "War" in the traditional sense. Nations in a cold wars still trade and have open border crossings.

Well, Australia and New Zealand are actually both majority 'Caucasian' countries that were originally settled by British colonists (like the US and Canada), so I think that calling them 'Asian' isn't really correct. Also I think that the 'is Australia an island or a continent argument is kinda stupid'. It's a landmass that's surrounded by water and cut off from both Afro-Eurasia and the Americas, so I think regardless of what you classify it as, it functions like an island.

I also think that the island nation in the game wouldn't have it's ability to conduct it's domestic affairs restricted by international military alliances. Saudi Arabia is one of the US's biggest allies in the middle east and they do a lot of things that the average American doesn't like. To a lesser degree, America does a lot of things within it's own borders that European countries don't like, but they still rely on us for defense. Countries will often ignore disagreements on internal affairs if there is some external incentive that makes cooperation extremely beneficial.

My only disagreement with you on Britain is that I think they are already 100% down with curtailing individual liberties at this point. Still, I just can't picture this game as being set in Britain or set in a country that was based on Britain. I feel like it is more similar to one of the former colonies.

As for the stuff you said about the cold war with Russia and China, I think it would make some sense. The only thing that you are missing is the term 'proxy war' (Which is what I think you were trying to say).

Lastly, I think alot of people in this thread are over-thinking Chang's allegiance/motivations. I think she's just some person of Chinese descent that's just living in the west and doesn't really care about geo-politics. I kinda read her as a sort of mad scientist who just wants to fuck around.

Also, I guess it is at least a little more than 'just a silly game'. It's probably one of the best games on this site.

Oh Sorry I was not trying to say they where "Asian" countries. I just assumed that everyone considered the "Oceanic" countries like I do. Saying the continent of Australia is an island is like saying the continent of Antarctica is an island. BUT I will concede that Australia is an Island Nation as it has not land borders. But only to that point. Beside I HIGHLY doubt that Australia is the country in the game because there are no kangaroos, GIANT BUGS and GIANT SPIDERS.

That's My Point! The UK " wouldn't have it's ability to conduct it's domestic affairs restricted by international military alliances" Unlike other White Island nations like New Zealand.

I have to disagree. If the UK is willing to handicap itself economically by going through with Brexit then I can see it's islamophobic rural areas that got Brexit through voting away the rights mentioned in the game for the individual to "Combat" Islamic influence in the nation. And I can imagine what the backers of the bill that made the game possible did to make it appealing to the same votes a third time.

No I meant Proxy nations. "Proxy Wars" are fought by Proxy Nations. But you don't need a Proxy War to capture Soldiers of Proxy Nations. I can think of many reasons why you would want to capture such Soldiers.

this thread is kinda getting out of hand with nonsense posts

Then you don't know the nature of this Thread. WE LIVE FOR THIS SHIT! There's no better way to wallow away the time between updates then to prattle away at minutia ad nauseum. Read back... a few hundred pages and you'll see.

Could be Singapore. Multi-National melting pot, English Speaking, Hub of a ton of International headquarters, Government that is willing to push boundaries on "Civil Liberties", follows mostly British legal system.

Just a thought.

I think Blueee would disagree. There is no rural area that's hard to reach with in it's jurisdiction. If there was I feel you could walk back to the city within a day.

 

[mordred93]

I think Blueee would disagree. There is no rural area that's hard to reach with in it's jurisdiction. If there was I feel you could walk back to the city within a day.

North Shore in the 80's .. yes. Nowdays - no. Damn I'm old.

 

[Cartageno]

Could be Singapore. Multi-National melting pot, English Speaking, Hub of a ton of International headquarters, Government that is willing to push boundaries on "Civil Liberties", follows mostly British legal system.

Just a thought.

North Shore in the 80's .. yes. Nowdays - no. Damn I'm old.

Pretty certain even back then you didn't have a secluded place like this with one isolated town a multiple hour train ride away from the nearest large city. Although, if the trains are anything like here, Vatican City could do that ...

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

North Shore in the 80's .. yes. Nowdays - no. Damn I'm old.

Pretty certain even back then you didn't have a secluded place like this with one isolated town a multiple hour train ride away from the nearest large city. Although, if the trains are anything like here, Vatican City could do that ...

For a second I thought Mordred was talking about Vancouver.

 

[mordred93]

Pretty certain even back then you didn't have a secluded place like this with one isolated town a multiple hour train ride away from the nearest large city. Although, if the trains are anything like here, Vatican City could do that ...

Missed the whole train thing. Nope .. Not Singapore.

 

[mordred93]

For a second I thought Mordred was talking about Vancouver.

Washington State or Canada?

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

Washington State or Canada?

Canada, North Vancouver is considered the North shore.