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It's a text based game with around 10 hours of gameplay.
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1.0 "bugfix". What a fucking joke. Literally nothing you do matters because the game is coded so awful. You do nothing with George and your daughter still talks as if she did. You do nothing with Faye and then halfway through Faye is referring to how you fucked her ass.
There is literally zero point to playing from the perspective of Sarah or Victor. Why even bore us with the illusion of choice? Neither character contributes anything to the story. I get victor is the MC's friend but there are almost zero scenes between them except when it comes to hook him up with Sarah so why is Victor or Sarah included at all? They clearly don't have a close relationship at all.
Good god I know this intentional so I'll count it as a plus but I've never hated a character more than I hate Faye. What a piece of shit friend.
Author was good at writing scenarios and individual scenes were nice but the overarching story - if you can call it that - was just so awful. And if the author can't code in Ren'Py without this bugfest then just make it an html purely written novel.
And the MC won't have sex with Olivia because he has a girlfriend...while he is dating two girls...having sex with his daughters friend... and already got a blowjob from Olivia? Or did he not? I can't tell if the coding forgot they hooked up at the party Harper was fired at.
Just a mess. Needs a native English editor also . I doubt there were any witches in this story but the author mixed us which and witch probably a half dozen times so clearly he doesn't understand homophones (happened with many other words also).
There is literally zero point to playing from the perspective of Sarah or Victor. Why even bore us with the illusion of choice? Neither character contributes anything to the story. I get victor is the MC's friend but there are almost zero scenes between them except when it comes to hook him up with Sarah so why is Victor or Sarah included at all? They clearly don't have a close relationship at all.
Good god I know this intentional so I'll count it as a plus but I've never hated a character more than I hate Faye. What a piece of shit friend.
Author was good at writing scenarios and individual scenes were nice but the overarching story - if you can call it that - was just so awful. And if the author can't code in Ren'Py without this bugfest then just make it an html purely written novel.
And the MC won't have sex with Olivia because he has a girlfriend...while he is dating two girls...having sex with his daughters friend... and already got a blowjob from Olivia? Or did he not? I can't tell if the coding forgot they hooked up at the party Harper was fired at.
Just a mess. Needs a native English editor also . I doubt there were any witches in this story but the author mixed us which and witch probably a half dozen times so clearly he doesn't understand homophones (happened with many other words also).
Hey is most of the links down? ( I only really checked mega and nopy) cuz the android ones aren't working and so is the nopy win link
Thanks! Glad that you enjoyed the story. We did make a pilot for a version of the game with pictures, but unfortunately it looks like there is not enough interest for the game to continue the project.
Link to pilot: https://f95zone.to/threads/the-2nd-chance-v0-1-xxerikxx.85270/
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Link file for APK is not here. Help? I already have part 2 need source for part 1 Android version ASAP ಥ‿ಥ
Not sure if this is the latest version, but you can try this one:
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Just change the name of your game....I mean unless you are married to it or something
PS: So,is it just text or are there images?
There is so much potential to this story that it makes me quite angry that the developer was so cheap that he wouldn't hire actual animators to make this game so much better.
At the beginning, the developer tells us [the player] that -
'In this version of the game the rest of the story will be text-based with placeholder pictures. I hope to create a game with quality full-sized pictures and animation in a later version. Some of the scene descriptions are must meant to help the artist understand the scene.'
Yeah, that never, ever happened. The lead in to the game is just like any other game and then the dev releases the rest of the game as a text-based Secret Path, but for adults. The plot is mostly solid, and I began playing it with the mistaken idea that the placeholder pics would be replaced with full descriptive picture scenes.
THIS GAME IS VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTING. I don't know why the dev didn't start a Patreon page to raise capital to hire an artist, a proofreader [though the dev's page here in f95zone is littered with people requesting to help] and a better coder.
The game's ONLY saving grace is that the dev released it here, and never sought payment for his announced intended product which never materialized. I have read from the dev's since-created Patreon page that they were going to redo the game the right way.
That, too, has turned out to be 'alternative facts' -
- excerpt from the dev's Patreon page regarding the remake [entitled season 2] -
'The pilot is just a little more than 1 day of gameplay while the entire story is more than 50 days of gameplay. So, to finish this project I will need more artist to help me or have one artist that can work full-time. Hopefully this Patreon site will help me finance the project and I really appreciate any help you can give me.'
...except that the newer version of the game is STILL text-based. The only difference now is that the dev is charging players to play - essentially - a continuation of a game that even the dev admits is a dumpster fire.
'The story is about a man who moves to LA to help his best friend in a movie-project. He leaves his ex-wife and grown-up daughter and starts his new life in Hollywood. His life soon becomes more complicated and especially his love life. It doesn't get less complicated when his daughter and her best friends comes to live with him.'
...but that was the plot of the first installment of this game that you pinched off [without fixing your self-admitted mistakes].
'It's an erotic story, but also a romantic story with multiple options and several side stories.'
This is true. Its just that the execution of that story was promised to improve, and it never did. And now the dev wants Patreon money to continue a game that promises one thing and yet only delivers substandard graphic quality.
At the beginning, the developer tells us [the player] that -
'In this version of the game the rest of the story will be text-based with placeholder pictures. I hope to create a game with quality full-sized pictures and animation in a later version. Some of the scene descriptions are must meant to help the artist understand the scene.'
Yeah, that never, ever happened. The lead in to the game is just like any other game and then the dev releases the rest of the game as a text-based Secret Path, but for adults. The plot is mostly solid, and I began playing it with the mistaken idea that the placeholder pics would be replaced with full descriptive picture scenes.
THIS GAME IS VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTING. I don't know why the dev didn't start a Patreon page to raise capital to hire an artist, a proofreader [though the dev's page here in f95zone is littered with people requesting to help] and a better coder.
The game's ONLY saving grace is that the dev released it here, and never sought payment for his announced intended product which never materialized. I have read from the dev's since-created Patreon page that they were going to redo the game the right way.
That, too, has turned out to be 'alternative facts' -
- excerpt from the dev's Patreon page regarding the remake [entitled season 2] -
'The pilot is just a little more than 1 day of gameplay while the entire story is more than 50 days of gameplay. So, to finish this project I will need more artist to help me or have one artist that can work full-time. Hopefully this Patreon site will help me finance the project and I really appreciate any help you can give me.'
...except that the newer version of the game is STILL text-based. The only difference now is that the dev is charging players to play - essentially - a continuation of a game that even the dev admits is a dumpster fire.
'The story is about a man who moves to LA to help his best friend in a movie-project. He leaves his ex-wife and grown-up daughter and starts his new life in Hollywood. His life soon becomes more complicated and especially his love life. It doesn't get less complicated when his daughter and her best friends comes to live with him.'
...but that was the plot of the first installment of this game that you pinched off [without fixing your self-admitted mistakes].
'It's an erotic story, but also a romantic story with multiple options and several side stories.'
This is true. Its just that the execution of that story was promised to improve, and it never did. And now the dev wants Patreon money to continue a game that promises one thing and yet only delivers substandard graphic quality.
WTF? I has worked on this for 3-4 years now and I still hope to one day be able to afford to hire someone to do art work for my games. Last year I managed to produce a pilot for The 2nd Chance with great pictures. The pilot is 1 day of gameplay and had around 250 pictures. It took us around 6 month to make. Based on the pilot I made the assessment that I will need around 6000 pictures to produce the entire story. I heard with some artist and the best offer I got was 500 euro for 80 renders (37.500 euro for 6000 renders.) This was just renders so if I wanted someone to do animations as well it would probably be a project that would cost me around 50.000 euro . You may call me cheap, but the fact is that I don't have 50.000 to spend on this project. In an attempt to raise some money I have followed your advice and started a Patron. This gives me a income of 22 euros a month...
I'm really trying my best to provide you pictures to this game, but unless some artist want to be a part of this project then there really isn't anything that I can do.
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First, I have to say that I respect you for addressing my criticisms directly; not many developers would do that.
That having been said, I know that you didn't start a Patreon account just because I mentioned it; you created it for season 2. And the reason that you haven't garnered a lot of patronage is due to your game missing the key components that make a visual novel successful - a visual novel [especially one that you want to create more of] needs visuals. I know that you are utterly aware of this; you chose art renders to represent your characters. The problem is that you think placeholder images are going to carry your story sufficiently across the finish line. I think your Patreon account monthly donations is clearly demonstrating that this is not the case.
A lot of my disappointment in your game is because your story is quite well done and compelling, but the use of placeholder images absolutely tears the story down - the reader/player is constantly being reminded that the images being used are not indicative of the events taking place in the story. It looks cheap. And continuing to use the two images of the redhead [seen above as well as in the description for Season 2] when they don't even appear in the game seems totally dishonest.
And I am sorry, but the fact that you have not been able to find a budding artist who is interested in rendering is not an adequate excuse for releasing what is seen as a half-cooked game. I get that some of the artists here in F95 [and judging from some of the fan art pages of games, there is a lot of talent out there], there is artistic talent to be found outside F95 as well. As i m just a writer and not a game developer, I have no real idea as to how to go about finding an artist. DeviantArt.com, Behance, Dribbble, CGSociety, and ArtStation spring to mind. There are artists everywhere. And in the unlikely event that none of them meet your criteria, you should do what virtually every other developer here has done in similar situations; they rolled up their sleeves and they learned how to do the renders themselves. I am not saying that you have to do the same; I am simply saying that arguing that the artists are asking too much rings pretty hollow.
And I know this is all harsh, X. If I thought your game was utter shite, I'd simply shake my head and walk away. But the truth of the matter is that you have something really good here, and you are not giving it the attention or output it deserves.
I understand why many developers ignore you. You are clearly a troll or retarded but I'll try to treat you with respect, nevertheless. First of all, this is a TEXT BASED story. There's NO picture and most likely there will NEVER be any pictures because unlike you I'm not a millionaire and can't just throw thousands of dollars out the window. Some people suggested that I should create a Patron account to try to get some money that I could spend on artist. I did that but did not get any subscribers because after the pilot ended, I didn't have any content to give them. So now I'm investing hundreds of hours into creating a new story exclusively for my Patrons and then you are managing to complain about that as well!!!! And then you manage to say stupid things like that I should spend thousands of dollars on renders so I can get more patrons! If I had money, then I wouldn't need that Patron site!
And I have never said that artist are asking too much. I worked with some great artist when we created the pilot for The 2nd Chance. I know that 500 dollar for 80 renders is not an unfair prize because they put in a lot of time and effort to make it great.
So, unless you are planning to create renders for me or invest 50.000 dollar into this project then please find someone else to harass!
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Wow. So many assumptions in such a small space...where to begin?
- 'I understand why many developers ignore you.'
I believe that this entire discussion arose out of you responding to a comment I made to someone else about the game. It wasn't actually directed towards you, but I decided to treat you with respect with my reply. I am sorry that you are unable to accept criticism of your game. To date, I've only spoken to one other game developer, and had a pretty good conversation with them. SO, i am not sure where that sophomoric attempt to reframe the question comes from.
- 'You are clearly a troll or retarded but I'll try to treat you with respect'
Yes, of course. Nothing quite says respect like calling someone 'retarded' or a 'troll'. And again, you have used semantic terms incorrectly. I cannot speak to how retarded I am; I did try to reach out to you, so perhaps I am in fact a bit too optimistic. Secondly, a troll doesn't contribute; I offered at least three different ways for you to find work-hungry artists looking for someone with which to tell a story.
Maybe because I didn't sugar-coat the criticism is why you think I was trollish. I did in fact tell you that the writing of your game was good, on at least two occasions. But of course I am a troll, because I had the audacity to point out what was wrong with your game and needed correcting. You might want to look that word up in the dictionary, X; it means something more than mere criticism and course correction, which is what you got from me.
- 'First of all, this is a TEXT BASED story. There's NO picture and most likely there will NEVER be any pictures'
I am glad that you FINALLY admitted it. Throughout the entirety of the 'season 1' part of your game, you kept making comments within the game, from start to finish, how you were going to add scene pictures, animations, etc. and I get that you ran out of money/couldn't find artists/whatever, but you kept the text throughout every single iteration of the 'first season' of the game. By leaving that info in the game, you were leading players on, hopeful that the visual content would improve. And lets be perfectly candid here - your lack of Patreon donations suggests that your players felt led on, too.
And this seemingly dishonest behavior continued in 'season 2' of the game. You used [and still use] images that appear NOWHERE in the game. To someone who played the first version of the game - seeing those images - it looked like you had finally put together both halves of the game [the story and the art]. But that was not the case. The images were fake, and not part of the game. Surely you can see how the average player might think that using images to advertise a game that never appear in the game is dishonest, right?
- 'I...did not get any subscribers because after the pilot ended, I didn't have any content to give them.'
I would suggest that the above statement is a failure of imagination. There are several examples of games being redone, using Patreon. I have continuously said that your story is good [at least three times per post]; I would suggest that if you were to begin a drive to properly illustrate the game you've already written, people would pay to see the resulting illustration, even if it were only Ren'Py. I totally would understand that you were not interested in doing that and only wanted to focus on new content, but that is not the same as 'not having any content.' It was more of a failure to see an opportunity to remake the game better than it was.
As for what you spent on the 'second season,' I cannot address your expenditure of 500 usd for additional stock illustrations of new characters, 2 illo's of a red-headed naked woman, a web-grab of a threesome and a picture of a puppy. Judging from the final product, I would suggest that you should have shopped elsewhere.
So, my first post was to address [to another player] how you had promised illustrations and then never delivered on them.
My second post was to you was a straight-forward evaluation of your game to you [spoiler alert - story good, graphics bad].
This third post is simply to clarify what you got wrong in your reading of the second post.
You can create games however you want, X. You seem to like the text-with-placeholder-image games; more power to you. I played both 'seasons' of the 2nd Chance games because the story was good, but for me, the lack of promised graphics left me wanting a whole lot more than I got. I found the promises of improvement to be pretty dishonest, and I told you so.
Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message.
It's impressive that you can write so much and not get one single thing correct!
1) You have not come up with a solution for anything.
2) I have NEVER said that I could afford to hire an artist for my games. From day 1 I have said that I've written a text based game i Renpy so it would be easy for an artist to add picture if he wanted to make this into a visual novel.
3) Ran out of money? I have NEVER had any money to spend. I know that I can never afford to build your dream game with renders and animations.
4) The thing you pointed out about my TEXT BASED game was that you think it should have picture!
5) I have never tried to and have no interest in leading players on. Why would I do that? I have written a story and published it for free on F95 because I believed that someone would find the story enjoyable. Everyone else that don't like it or who needs pictures to find it enjoyable should not waste their time on this!
6) I did not have Patrons before this year (3 years after you said I was leading them on) and I only created it because some people said that they wanted to give their support and help me hire an artist for the game. I have NEVER tried to make money from this game and I NEVER will.
7) None of my Patrons have ever said that they have felt led on, because unlike you they're smart enough to understand what I'm doing and appreciate my work.
8) I focus on new content because that's the only thing I can do, and because my Patrons appreciate the new content that I'm producing for them.
9) I want to created content for those who enjoy my stories. I don't understand why the rest of you waste time on this. I have no interest in pleasing your wishes.
10) There has been no failure of opportunities.
11) There's no images in the game! But because this is a big games with many characters I have put in some preview pictures from SASE to help you remember who is who.
12) I have not spent 500 usd on anything
13) I have never used fake images to advertise the game. All pictures that are in the first post in a thread is put their by F95 after they have gone through the game so it's clearly pictures that they have found in the game!
14) I have never promised anyone anything! All I have done is write some stories and published them for free on F95.
15) It's not a failure of imagination when I'm actually giving my Patrons what they want. I don't give a crap about the people that you want to be my Patron!
16) I did have the Patrons last year when i did the redo of season 1 with pictures. I have more patrons now that I'm giving them a new story.
17) I don't care if you like my story or not! Probably not a good sign that someone like you like the story!
18) I do not like the text-with-placeholder-image games more than you, but I do not have the money or talent to do anything else.
19) I have never promised improvement and I've never been dishonest!
20) I will not shoot the messenger, but I think my Patrons would love to pay for the bullet!
Get some help and get away from my games!
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Clearly, either there is a significant language barrier [and Google Translate is doing you an incredible disservice], or you are having more trouble than the average person at understanding what I am saying.
And to be blunt, if I wanted to repeat myself, I'd prefer to hang with my toddler nephews; they are more amusing.
However, in the interest of addressing your numbered responses, allow me to address them quite simply.
You claim to have rendered several different images. Approximately two of them appear in the first game [apart from the placeholder images]. After starting the first game, you state -
'In this version of the game, the rest of the story will be text based with placeholder images.
I hope to create to create a game with quality full-sized pictures and animation in a later version.
Some of the scene descriptions are just meant to help the artist understand the scene.
Especially the sex scenes are difficult to write without pictures. I apologize for referring to position,
position 2 and so on.'
If you decided at some point afterwards to just make a text-based game, you should have simply replaced this text, as it promised an adaptation from cheap, text-based presentation to a more suitable framework. You chose not to do that. So please, stop arguing that this was always going to be a text-based game. You clearly intended it to be something bigger and either ran out of money or skills after rendering the first two [and only] images in the game.
For your second season, you offered these two images as being in the game -
These images appear nowhere in the game, in either 'season. If I pick up a book or a game with Darth Vader or Natalie Portman depicted on the cover, it is expected that one of those two will appear in the media within. When they don't it is referred to as a deceptive marketing technique called
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.The problem here - imo - is that you aren't really good at receiving constructive criticism, which was offered in my very first post to you, and which you seem to have completely forgotten by the time you posted your response here. Indeed, your very first point was that I hadn't proposed any solutions. That tells me you are not reading my posts, but are instead using them as ammo for your responses, which have all been of an attacking nature.
I am quite finished with trying to reinvent the wheel with you every time we talk. I posted what was wrong with the game. You chose to ignore those points, and instead attack me as being 'retarded' and/or a 'troll'. Despite that, I still tried to help you see what others saw when they saw your games - good writing with substandard [yet correctable] execution.
Your response? 19 excuses and a death threat. Welp, that's me out. First part of addressing a problem is admitting you have one, and you just haven't reached that step yet.
This is proof that no honest evaluation ever goes unpunished. We're done here, X.
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