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hencuka

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Hi guys, this is probably easy to fix but I'm clueless atm, I opened up Daz and got this. I have absolutely no idea how to fix this.


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Feels like layout failed to load for whatever reasons. :unsure:
If you can't reopen panes, overwriting your Daz Studio install should restore it.
Go to the c:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\DAZ 3D\Studio4\ directory and delete the layout.dse and layout.dsx files, or the whole directory. That should do the trick.
 

hencuka

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Oh well.... I have serious issues with pussies. I went through that visibility settings, what no__name mentioned. And it went cool, there was no grey surface, everything looked fine. Until I started rendering.
First, I tought I left some kind of cum layer on the scene, altough I used only the character, character mats and GP. This is the result:
wtf.jpg

Deleted the whole scene, and create character again: figure + mats and new gens this time. The result was better, but there is still some patch:

wtfng.jpg wtfng2.jpg

And finaly discovered this weird patches are not limited to genitals:

wtf2.jpg

So, my question is: this is normal, and I should deal with it and use PS for afterwork? Or is is the mat, the character, some settings or who knows what?
I know, I should start reading manuals and tutorials and leave this autodidact method. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I will appreciate any help, where should I start looking for a nice, clean render.
 

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Oh well.... I have serious issues with pussies. I went through that visibility settings, what no__name mentioned. And it went cool, there was no grey surface, everything looked fine. Until I started rendering.
First, I tought I left some kind of cum layer on the scene, altough I used only the character, character mats and GP. This is the result:
View attachment 557396

Deleted the whole scene, and create character again: figure + mats and new gens this time. The result was better, but there is still some patch:

View attachment 557398 View attachment 557399

And finaly discovered this weird patches are not limited to genitals:

View attachment 557397

So, my question is: this is normal, and I should deal with it and use PS for afterwork? Or is is the mat, the character, some settings or who knows what?
I know, I should start reading manuals and tutorials and leave this autodidact method. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I will appreciate any help, where should I start looking for a nice, clean render.
Culprit could be the geoshell offset distance or you're too far away from the center (0,0,0). Try to see if the appear on every pose not just the A/T one.

How can I make my characters completely pitch black like this within daz studios?
Fill every surfaces of your model with black color instead of a texture map. Remove any gloss, SSS, transluency etc...
 

wolfgangmami

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Hi I'm new in daz there is a problem I can't deal with it as in the title hair and lashes not following in unity (or staying at same position in daz) after merging the body I found a similar thing in this link ( ) but it didn't help or I am too stupid to I can't to do it how can I solve this ? (I tried "Autofollow" thing but same problem occurs) There is a video of my model on unity ( )
 

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This might be a weird question but I am wondering if someone knows how to have an option to include the intro (I have created a header file which I can ensure that it only shows up the first time playing or have it always playing which I wouldn't want to do since it's an intro) one created with say a message and disclaimer type of stuff as an option in the menu. I have seen this done in the game Being a DIK, I think I am going to analyze the code carefully but it's a big download so asking here in the meantime before I get on my main computer later. :)
 

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This might be a weird question but I am wondering if someone knows how to have an option to include the intro (I have created a header file which I can ensure that it only shows up the first time playing or have it always playing which I wouldn't want to do since it's an intro) one created with say a message and disclaimer type of stuff as an option in the menu. I have seen this done in the game Being a DIK, I think I am going to analyze the code carefully but it's a big download so asking here in the meantime before I get on my main computer later. :)
if you mean in ren py You can simply create a standard menu choice to watch intro or skip intro, honestly when I play through a game again if it has been a while I rewatch the intro unless it really sucked, so that's the route I would go. if they choose watch jump to intro start, if they choose skip jump to the same point the end of the intro would jump to. I notice a lot of times people make things harder than they have to be, maybe you are just overthinking it?
just make it the first choice in the game after your opening credits or whatever comes first.
 
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Hamfist

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question for renpy modders, My game is going to be for the PC is there anything I should make sure I do to make it easier for modders who want to mod my game later on?

also anything specific I should make sure of so I can offer it on android as well as PC? I have not looked into official or unofficial android port yet it was just something that popped into my head after my 3rd cup of coffee and 4th bug of the day in my coding. (yes four bugs before 6:30 am don't judge me)
 

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if you mean in ren py You can simply create a standard menu choice to watch intro or skip intro, honestly when I play through a game again if it has been a while I rewatch the intro unless it really sucked, so that's the route I would go. if they choose watch jump to intro start, if they choose skip jump to the same point the end of the intro would jump to. I notice a lot of times people make things harder than they have to be, maybe you are just overthinking it?
just make it the first choice in the game after your opening credits or whatever comes first.
I thought of this but my first thought was that I wanted to ensure the first time they play that they get an 18+ disclaimer to ensure legal compliance (my boyfriend is an attorney so I am dealing with this level of scrutiny heh) instead of being able to skip the intro without seeing it at least once. But, now I am leaning towards taking the part of my intro images/text with the disclaimer and putting it out right away (cutting it from my intro) and perhaps then using the remainder of my intro instead or trying to have a menu option to see the intro again after the first forced time. (the latter option is how Pinkcake did it in Being a DIK)
 

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I thought of this but my first thought was that I wanted to ensure the first time they play that they get an 18+ disclaimer to ensure legal compliance (my boyfriend is an attorney so I am dealing with this level of scrutiny heh) instead of being able to skip the intro without seeing it at least once. But, now I am leaning towards taking the part of my intro images/text with the disclaimer and putting it out right away (cutting it from my intro) and perhaps then using the remainder of my intro instead or trying to have a menu option to see the intro again after the first forced time. (the latter option is how Pinkcake did it in Being a DIK)
I would ensure that the disclaimer is seen on start up everytime, just because it's on the same device doesn't mean the same person is opening the file. I thought you meant intro storyline.
 

hencuka

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Culprit could be the geoshell offset distance or you're too far away from the center (0,0,0). Try to see if the appear on every pose not just the A/T one.
I couldn't find any geoshell settings... or even geoshell itself.
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But I tried another pose and the stains are there... and some weird gleam like a wet skin.
wtf01.jpg wtf02.jpg
 

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I couldn't find any geoshell settings... or even geoshell itself.
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But I tried another pose and the stains are there... and some weird gleam like a wet skin.
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Definitely, you shouldn't have those stains.

Forget about offset distance, and try to find the culprit by removing tatoo and gens one by one, or just redo your model step by step to see where you're doing something wrong.
 

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How can I associate an asset (like a material) to another asset "1" (like a shirt) if asset "1" has not been declared (under Compatibility) as anything and I can't find it in the Database when trying to "declare it as.."? Also is there a Database folder where I can go and browse?
 

hencuka

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Definitely, you shouldn't have those stains.

Forget about offset distance, and try to find the culprit by removing tatoo and gens one by one, or just redo your model step by step to see where you're doing something wrong.
I've got the culprit. It was the tattoo.
The base model:
m_base.jpg
The base model with materials, gen mats, makeup and golden palace:
m_base+allmats+makeup+gp.jpg
And finally, with tattoo:
m_base+allmats+makeup+gp+tattoo.jpg

If I play with the geoshell visibility I can remove most of the stains, but there are some on the chest area where are no left and right side.. so I should try to find another tattoo, or forget it.
Thanks for your help, I owe you one!

Another question: where the heck can I edit the materials?
 

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I've got the culprit. It was the tattoo.
The base model:
View attachment 563970
The base model with materials, gen mats, makeup and golden palace:
View attachment 563971
And finally, with tattoo:
View attachment 563972

If I play with the geoshell visibility I can remove most of the stains, but there are some on the chest area where are no left and right side.. so I should try to find another tattoo, or forget it.
Thanks for your help, I owe you one!

Another question: where the heck can I edit the materials?
Whilst you can use geoshells or decals to apply tatoos, you are far better off modifying the skin itself, either by manually editing in imaging software (GIMP / Photoshop) or via using LIE tattoos (basically same process but using Daz instead of external image editor). The tutorials linked in my signature describes various methods of applying tattoos.
 
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hencuka

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Whilst you can use geoshells or decals to apply tatoos, you are far better off modifying the skin itself, either by manually editing in imaging software (GIMP / Photoshop) or via using LIE tattoos (basically same process but using Daz instead of external image editor). The tutorials linked in my signature describes various methods of applying tattoos.
Thank you for the tip, I will try both method (y):)
 

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Thank you for the tip, I will try both method (y):)
Keep in mind if using LIE though, the more LIE layers you add, the larger the file gets. You'll want to use LIE Baker, to merge all of them into a single layer. I had a heavily tattooed Character that was 143 meg with all the LIE tat's added. Once LIE Baker was used it dropped the file size down to it's original size.
 
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ddeadbeat

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I have a question regarding Daz3D. Do you have any advice on how to improve rendering speed when making animations? For example, I tried to render an animated scene in library with 2 figures. I used 30fps, animation had 240 frames, lightning was Dome and Scene, 1920x1080, 3000 samples. Just kind of random settings to see, what would happen - I just started to learn daz. So I left PC working for a night and after 7 hours I had rendered... 6 frames of 240 lol. More than 1 hour per frame.
I have GTX 1070, not much, but it is what it is.
3DLight did everything in like 15 minutes...
So, maybe there are some kind of general tips for animations? I might try to reduce the amount of samples to say 300, but I believe the quality would be totally unacceptable.

And a few more questions: does it matter if stuff that is not in a frame (what part of the scene will be rendered) is visible or not? Does it influence the render time?
And kind of the same question that was about animation render time, but about just pictures - what render settings do you use for exaple for indoor scene with 1-2 figures? How much render time is okay for you (this question is more towards actual devs)? 10 minutes? 30 minutes? 1-2 hours is also fine for one render?
 

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I have a question regarding Daz3D. Do you have any advice on how to improve rendering speed when making animations? For example, I tried to render an animated scene in library with 2 figures. I used 30fps, animation had 240 frames, lightning was Dome and Scene, 1920x1080, 3000 samples. Just kind of random settings to see, what would happen - I just started to learn daz. So I left PC working for a night and after 7 hours I had rendered... 6 frames of 240 lol. More than 1 hour per frame.
I have GTX 1070, not much, but it is what it is.
3DLight did everything in like 15 minutes...
So, maybe there are some kind of general tips for animations? I might try to reduce the amount of samples to say 300, but I believe the quality would be totally unacceptable.

And a few more questions: does it matter if stuff that is not in a frame (what part of the scene will be rendered) is visible or not? Does it influence the render time?
And kind of the same question that was about animation render time, but about just pictures - what render settings do you use for exaple for indoor scene with 1-2 figures? How much render time is okay for you (this question is more towards actual devs)? 10 minutes? 30 minutes? 1-2 hours is also fine for one render?
For starters, most professional animations didn't use gaming FPS like 30 or even 60. Part of this is the render time. The best time saver would be, go down to 24 or 25 FPS. Depending on the render engine, non-visible objects affect your lighting by their reflections and ray bounces. So it is your own decision if you need those lighting effects, or not.
Time savings comes always down to calculations for your lights as well as the number of polygons. So use low poly items for background items instead of high poly items all over the scene. And decide how long you need your light rays to be. Iray is always set to infinite by default. You wanna maybe reduce that. And the last big time saver are your used textures. Less resolution results often in faster render times.
Professional studios have render times between 30 and 60 minutes per frame on far stronger machines, that are specialized for this kind of rendering. So expect much higher times for us hobbyists. (The movie NextGen had an average render time of 45 minutes per frame.)
 

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When rendering animations you want to ensure that convergence is as quick as possible. Hence if you are rendering at native resolution you want to get a suitable image in no more than 400 samples. If you are down-sampling (rendering at 4k and then reducing to 1080p) you want to get samples down to no more than 100. There are exceptions, however this is usually when you have a lot of emissive sources. One of my characters is based on Zelara8 which has emissive skin, hence I had to increase iterations to 200 when sampling at 4k.

Most of this comes down to lighting setup. When rendering animations, I try to ensure that lighting is provided by dome only. Whilst this sounds highly restrictive, it really isn't. By utilising and iRadiance Light Probes you can render a really nice animation, however with a highly convergent lighting setup. If you want a little more lighting complexity you can always add an emissive light or 2. Removing everything that isn't in field of view helps as you don't have any light rays bouncing off these items, which increases calculation time per iteration.

A secondary alternative to improve rendering time is to render the characters and the background separately. This will however create additional time to recombine each animation frame with the background, prior to conversion to a video file. There is however another alternative where you can create a transparent animation, by using the RenPy animation mask capability. Have done this within my game for the salvaging portion within ver 0.3. Not the easiest thing to explain, so if you want to know the method for your game, probably better to PM me.

Whilst I now have a RTX2060, the 0.2 version of my game was done with a GTX1060. The RTX 2060 allows me to be a bit lazier now, however good results can still be produced on the old hardware.

Typically I like to keep rendering times down to no more that 5 minutes per frame. Note that you are not seeking the same quality on an animation frame as you are on still image. Old TV used to run on 320 x 240, however it didn't look completely awful. Maybe a little poor for ice hockey and cricket, however fairly function for everything else. You also have the option of using Denoizer on you image series. I used to use this all the time, however it can be detremental if you have detailed textures, so these days I sometimes take the option of cranking up the samples.
 
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