VN Ren'Py A Life Worth Living [Ch. 5 P1] [FiTB_Games]

[Dessolos]

You know all this talk about her cheating or whatever even tho the cheating path is my least favorite. I think I might look forward to the cheating ending where you repair the relationship the most. As how I see it in my mind is that it's gonna be emotional and bittersweet.

 

[SlapE]

Many people write that Mary is a very bad person cause she decided to humilate Fred and cheats with other guys in front of husband. And that's why her cheating is worse than Fred's one. That's a rather controversial statement. First of all, any cheating is bad. Men have no more right to cheat than women do. But you should understand the only way cheating is possible is if Fred couldn't keep his dick in his pants and cheated on his wife. So blame yourself for what's happening. What's the justification for him cheating in the first place? You've got a good wife at home who's there for you in every way. She gives Fred the opportunity to fulfill his dream. And how did he thank her for that?
Now put yourself in Mary's shoes. Isn't she being humilated by Fred when he cheats on her with her best friend under his wife's nose? He does it at their house with his wife next to him behind the wall or when she's lying next to them by the pool. Or in a cafe while she's waiting like a fool for her hubby.
May be she wasn't humilated when he was cheating with Kelly, cause Fred could lose his head and make a baby with another woman.
Or maybe it's nice for a wife to hear on the phone what a good man her husband is. Because he like a real bull cuckolded his fiancee's coworker? Or may be it's very pleasant when another woman is grabbing your man's privates in front of you?
Anyway, before you'll continue to attack Mary, remember who betrayed whose trust. When you cheat you completely breakdown her trust in you.
Now remember, this is a game. And the logical divorce that would follow in such case, when Mary finds out about Fred's cheating, is postponed to the end of game. It's a so called logic of the porn game. If you don't repent to your wife for your cheating and don't let her blow off some steam, get ready for divorce in the end of the game.

I agree with your overall sentiment, but there's a difference between intentionally and unintentionally humiliating/hurting someone. Like I said in my last post, both are in the wrong, but the wife is only doing it out of spite and anger, looking for revenge. Which in my opinion, does make her worse, it doesn't make the MC look any better, but it does put Mary in a bad light, when she could have chosen to be the better person. Like I said though, I'm not even playing that path, not my thing.

I want to add, revenge cheating is just as bad, it isn't any better or worse than "regular" cheating. Choosing not to fix the problem and reconcile, and going straight to humiliating and hurting your partner intentionally, is a bad look. If she tried to fix the problem, and he keeps cheating, then that's a different story. She could have went about it better regardless though.

 

[Skep-tiker]

I think this depends on the player personal point of view. For me this is only cheating on a path where Mary has low trust as on that path she wont stop if you ask her too. While the other paths it's clearly a drunken mistake with no ill intention behind it. How I see it she wasnt looking to cheat so it wasnt cheating. For me I only consider something cheating if there is romantics feeling or attachment towards another person with or without out sex since there is also emotional cheating tho this depends heavily on the context . Or if a GF or wife has sex with someone else on purpose or there is ill intentions behind it and is done by going behind your back.

But the gloryhole scene doesn't fit that bill for me at all expect on a low trust Mary path. Sure you can argue she went behind Fred's back technically however with the context it's clear as day that it was a drunken mistake and there was no ill intentions so that is why I cant consider this as cheating for me personally.

I know you view things different than me that is clear but to tell another person to edit their post because you consider it cheating is wrong because of how everyone views things differently and that would be forcing your personal opinion onto them if they did edit it because of you. As it isn't black and white that it is or isnt cheating everything comes down to our own personal point of view.

However I do agree with you with how their conversation was swept under the rug and handled very poorly even if I dont consider the scene as cheating. I felt like it needed a proper conversation cause of how she was drunk and they were still at the early stage of their relationship when it comes to doing hotwife / sharing in the game. Especially because it was at the early stage or before they started to have an open relationship communication is more important here then if Mary would of done something like this on her own after being in a hotwife for like 5 years.

I do agree that it is controversial if this is cheating or not. It's the lack of players choice that bugs me here.
Lack of options is the same point that bugs me about Mary's humiliations. Before this, you could play Fred as a real asshole if you lie, and must have done this to get to this point, but suddenly, Fred is this obedient little puppy without any choice again, like in the blow job scene....
Aka, being railroaded into accepting Mary's behavior is the issue, not her cheating.

 

[simarimas]

I do agree that it is controversial if this is cheating or not. It's the lack of players choice that bugs me here.
Lack of options is the same point that bugs me about Mary's humiliations. Before this, you could play Fred as a real asshole if you lie, and must have done this to get to this point, but suddenly, Fred is this obedient little puppy without any choice again, like in the blow job scene....
Aka, being railroaded into accepting Mary's behavior is the issue, not her cheating.

Give it time, you will have a chance to make that decision.

 

[ZairusV]

I agree with your overall sentiment, but there's a difference between intentionally and unintentionally humiliating/hurting someone. Like I said in my last post, both are in the wrong, but the wife is only doing it out of spite and anger, looking for revenge. Which in my opinion, does make her worse, it doesn't make the MC look any better, but it does put Mary in a bad light, when she could have chosen to be the better person. Like I said though, I'm not even playing that path, not my thing.

I want to add, revenge cheating is just as bad, it isn't any better or worse than "regular" cheating. Choosing not to fix the problem and reconcile, and going straight to humiliating and hurting your partner intentionally, is a bad look. If she tried to fix the problem, and he keeps cheating, then that's a different story. She could have went about it better regardless though.

As I already wrote, this is the revenge of a deeply offended woman who loved her husband very much, and in gratitude he thrust a knife into her heart.

 

[Skep-tiker]

Give it time, you will have a chance to make that decision.

I will, let's see if Mary really loves Fred like she claimed, or if she, like I expect, just shrugs it off and it much worse for Fred then for her...

 

[simarimas]

I agree with your overall sentiment, but there's a difference between intentionally and unintentionally humiliating/hurting someone. Like I said in my last post, both are in the wrong, but the wife is only doing it out of spite and anger, looking for revenge. Which in my opinion, does make her worse, it doesn't make the MC look any better, but it does put Mary in a bad light, when she could have chosen to be the better person. Like I said though, I'm not even playing that path, not my thing.

I want to add, revenge cheating is just as bad, it isn't any better or worse than "regular" cheating. Choosing not to fix the problem and reconcile, and going straight to humiliating and hurting your partner intentionally, is a bad look. If she tried to fix the problem, and he keeps cheating, then that's a different story. She could have went about it better regardless though.

I can agree with this. They did go to therapy, and perhaps in Mary's mind, this was her trying to fix the problem. And yet Fred cheated more. It wasn't a direct confrontation, but there were signs that Fred should have picked up on.

Not saying Mary is any better than Fred in going about this how she is, but in her mind, she has tried, and failed, to get Fred to stop. So at that point, she goes 'crazy bitch' on him.

 

[simarimas]

I will, let's see if Mary really loves Fred like she claimed, or if she, like I expect, just shrugs it off and it much worse for Fred then for her...

That will all depend on the choices Fred has, and will, make.

 

[simarimas]

As I already wrote, this is the revenge of a deeply offended woman who loved her husband very much, and in gratitude he thrust a knife into her heart.

Yep, pretty much.

 

[SlapE]

As I already wrote, this is the revenge of a deeply offended woman who loved her husband very much, and in gratitude he thrust a knife into her heart.

Sure, still doesn't make it right though, and no one will ever convince me otherwise. Cheating is cheating in my book.

 

[Skep-tiker]

Give it time, you will have a chance to make that decision.

The thing is, the damage is already done by being forced to react that way...

 

[Sod!]

Can someone tell me what's the meaning of 'YOUR bad choices have consequences' ?

Or is there a better way of writing or understanding it?

This is a choice-based Visual Novel, so the choices you make affect the behavior of other characters in the game, especially your wife. So be careful about the choices you make.

 

[Sod!]

And yes, due to 'high demands', we will introduce game over screen in C6 for all those who want to react to Mary's revenge for 'your' wrong choices.

 

[Skep-tiker]

Can someone tell me what's the meaning of 'YOUR bad choices have consequences' ?

Or is there a better way of writing or understanding it?

Then why don't let the player make more bad choices in those scenes?
Let them have more argumemts, get angry at each other, reduce the trusting give out asshole points like candy... all better then no choice...

 

[Sod!]

Then why don't let the player make more bad choices in those scenes?

Like?

 

[simarimas]

Then why don't let the player make more bad choices in those scenes?

Partly because we don't want a 'Game Over' this early in the story. Also, we have enough paths we have to write and render as it is, and adding an entire new path for this scenario isn't something we are interested in doing. If you don't like how your choices turn out, then make other choices.

 

[Skep-tiker]

Like?

Let them have more argumemts, get angry at each other, reduce the trusting give out asshole points like candy... all better then no choice...

Give Fred the possibility to go on a revenge-revenge cheating rampage, to humiliate Mary, so that she cannot try to top that one again, idk... escalate things further... this would at least be a lot more fun.

 

[Skep-tiker]

If you don't like how your choices turn out, then make other choices.

I'd like to have a choice of being angry after the gloryhole scene. What choice should I make different?

 

[Sod!]

Let them have more argumemts, get angry at each other, reduce the trusting give out asshole points like candy... all better then no choice...

Give Fred the possibility to go on a revenge-revenge cheating rampage, to humiliate Mary, so that she cannot try to top that one, idk... escalate things further... this would at least be a lot more fun.

Okay. Noted. We already have the scenes written for C5 & C6. We will keep this in mind for next game.

 

[simarimas]

I'd like to have a choice of being angry after the gloryhole scene. What choice should I make different?

You could get angry at the glory hole scene. And if you didn't cheat on her, then she apologized to you. but you want to keep banging that drum and pissing her off more during the picnic scene?