VN Ren'Py Abandoned A Long Summer [v0.04] [Ardanos]

[cyanryu]

2 creator
Manda = C.u.n.t on russian

 

[kzdah12]

add sexual harassment and from old man hobos but keep it real dont cross that line the main character have a good design and dont add something weird from this just keep it real i dont know is you can understand about what i try to say

 

[Ardanos]

2 creator
Manda = C.u.n.t on russian

Oh thank you for telling me I did not know that. I googled nicknames for Amanda and that one was on the list. I will consider to change it to something else.

 

[Deleted member 1932742]

Surely the whole point of female protag games, or at least one of the biggest selling points, is the lesbian path? The biggest demographic for these adult VNs is undoubtedly straight men and a lot of straight men like lesbian porn, so female protag games should at least have the option to go down a pure lesbian path since that's a large part of the appeal of this particular genre of VN.

how can you be sure about it,do everyone state their gender ?there is also plenty female player here and female protagonist games are mostly doesnt have female perspective but just like stalking a girl over camera or something,not mentioning stupid choices
i have even seen a game with female protagonist tag but sex scenes had male view ,i started to dream like i have a dick lol
anyway and its not like all male players are straight ,they could be bi,gay etc etc but most male protagonist games dont have gay route or pure gay route so judging this game about this topic is not fair,ethic whatever

though a pure lesbian route would be

The long version:

My plans for the story:

For the story i have a hopefully pretty realistic and not over the top crime story in mind. As i mentioned before there is a new drug on the streets and the main characters will get personally involved with it and other people entangled with it. I tried to think of events that are not to unbelievable and could happen in real life. It also will be a pretty normal party drug like there are plenty in real life. So no mind control or other unrealistic stuff involved with it.

judging from the first release ,a non paranormal story sounds best for the future
especially when you mainly make/render (whatever best to say in english) scenes with plenty casual outside world background view gives slice of life vibes

I plan for a pretty traumatic event (if it is sexual you will of course be able to opt out of the sexual part) that will make her snap. After that she will begin to turn her life around and start to take revenge on gangs and criminals she met so far. The sexual content after that is because either she wants to or she gets something beneficial for herself out of it but she is the one in control!
In this route she will be more personally involved with criminals like gangs or a biker club for example.
The appeal of this route will will hopefully be to see her go from a insecure girl others take advantage of to a stronger character that knows how to handle herself in difficult situations.

On this route there will also be a traumatic event when she learns about the involvement of a person she cares about with the drug and other crimes that will make her reconsider her situation and how she deals with the fallout of the situation.
This route will deal more with the white collar aspects of this new drug on the streets. She will either try squash the crimes she witnesses or will turn into a ruthless business woman.

a female protagonist that can be in control of the situation
im definetely in

i hope my weird english is understandable

 

[Aristos]

I agree with you, i simply ignore "lesbian games". But you know what im tired about, this community trying to turn every Female Protagonist game into a lesbian one. Just look at this thread its hilarious.
By the way sadly this isnt a Female Protagonist anyway, in my opinion multiple protagonist or male protagonist should already be added to the tags to prevent some disappointments.

Do you realize he said the exact opposite of what you defended? You ignore lesbian games, while he said he hates people criticizing lesbian games and wanting dick in every game.
Again, it is funny because yesterday there must have been a huge break in communication between us since his opinion is more or less the same as mine. In a game with a fem MC I'd rather play her as a lesbian than see her humiliated by scumbags, which seems to be your kink. Nothing against that, it's just not for me.

This community has very strong opinions about a lot of things. Some are not helpful especially when it concerns women or transwomen in relationships. Plenty are knee jerk reactions. If people would think first.

Knee jerk reactions... Not helpful...
If only people would think first...

It is a sandbox! Please tag it.

It is a sandbox! Please tag it as such.

Where is the sandbox tag? Bye.

Where is the sandbox tag?

Where is the sandbox tag?

Where is the sandbox tag?
Dont like anything in the game. The renders, models are terrible and once again aggression is playing a major role. Just typical of games made by Russian devs.

Where is the sandbox tag? It also a unity game.

A Unity sandbox! Please add the sandbox tag.

A 'meet and fuck' sandbox. Please put up the sandbox tag as a warning to others. The most hideous models.

Where is the sandbox tag? Dont like it one bit. Too much humiliation. Bye.

Where is the sandbox tag? It is very monotonous.

A lousy sandbox. Bye.

 

[LaPein]

Do you realize he said the exact opposite of what you defended? You ignore lesbian games, while he said he hates people criticizing lesbian games and wanting dick in every game.
Again, it is funny because yesterday there must have been a huge break in communication between us since his opinion is more or less the same as mine. In a game with a fem MC I'd rather play her as a lesbian than see her humiliated by scumbags, which seems to be your kink. Nothing against that, it's just not for me.


Knee jerk reactions... Not helpful...
If only people would think first...

i agreed with him on the fact, that its stupid to come to games you dont like and complain about it. Like goint into a female protagonist and writing i dont like female protagonist. To give an example for my agreement i said i just ignore lesbian games and dont complain about them in their gamethread. The thing is this isnt a lesbian game, people just want to make it one.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

In my experience with a lot of female characters in VNs, non protagonist as well as playable ones, they start out really innocent and then either have a pure corruption route to the point that they are a mindless and pretty unrealistic bimbos or they have a really wholesome pure romantic route that tends to be a bit boring in my opinion.

Personal opinion here, but I like those games of pure romance far better than games that feature corruption or other such extreme and dramatic moments to advance the plot and the sexual action.

Just because it's pure romance doesn't mean there can't be struggle. There are all sorts of every day struggles that people deal with and have to overcome that can help build their characters and can provide enough drama without having to throw in extreme story elements or traumatic moments. For example, a character could seem totally fine on the outside, but in truth they're just barely holding it together as they struggle with insecurities, relationship problems, and even financial difficulties, all while trying to keep their family together. There's a lot to explore there without having the routes of corruption, death, drugs, etc.

The every day issues can still create good drama without them having to be boring.

I saw how many of you care about a pure lesbian route and will try to turn characters from planned lesbian scenes into true love interests.

That is good to hear.

The casual route: But instead of going down a route like this to its usual conclusion I plan for a pretty traumatic event (if it is sexual you will of course be able to opt out of the sexual part) that will make her snap.

The integrity route: On this route there will also be a traumatic event when she learns about the involvement of a person she cares about with the drug and other crimes that will make her reconsider her situation and how she deals with the fallout of the situation.

I hopw that this "traumatic event" doesn't involve the death of a character we come to care about, because Acting Lessons did that, and... well... it didn't go down so well so it's probably not advisable to do that. If it's something like her Dad being involved in this drugs business, that could probably work out better, especially if he's portrayed as a total asshole and gets very little screentime. It would mean a lot to Emily, but a lot less to the players if this were to happen.

The integrity route: this is a non corruption route. But in my mind characters that don´t have to struggle now and then tend to be a bit boring since there can´t be that much character development.

Again, I would say that the every day is a struggle enough without necessarily having to go down darker roads, and what might seem like mundane every day problems can be very dramatic in the right context.

I plan on having forced scenes with male characters for story reasons but you will be able to opt out of the sexual parts of them since I myself dislike to have to see characters I care about with others I despise. And having a choice is what makes a VN.

A pure lesbian route was not planned so far since it did not occur to me to put one in but since I saw how many of you care about that I will think about ways to make characters from planned lesbians scenes into possible love interests.

Glad to hear this as it's always better to give players these options and to not force sexual moments with characters players don't want the MC to be sexual with, but also to give players the option of going down the route of one sexual preference or a mix of both in these female protag games.

Oh thank you for telling me I did not know that. I googled nicknames for Amanda and that one was on the list. I will consider to change it to something else.

Why? People use "bae" as a cutesy name for their partners even though it means "shit" in Danish, and it's all over the internet on social media and as memes, so Danes probably find that strange. Just because "Manda" something in Russian doesn't mean it needs to change because you're setting this is America, so it's a fine term to use in that context.

 

[Aristos]

i agreed with him on the fact, that its stupid to come to games you dont like and complain about it. Like goint into a female protagonist and writing i dont like female protagonist. To give an example for my agreement i said i just ignore lesbian games and dont complain about them in their gamethread. The thing is this isnt a lesbian game, people just want to make it one.

If it has content for every taste, making the different paths optional, that should make everyone happy.
My biggest gripe with these games is that straight sex is most often envisaged from the point of view of corruption and humiliation, or at least cheating and NTR the girl's. It's either that or full lesbian (which I don't dislike). But the dev said this game will not rely exclusively on that kind of straight sex, so it's really worth trying.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

i agreed with him on the fact, that its stupid to come to games you dont like and complain about it. Like goint into a female protagonist and writing i dont like female protagonist. To give an example for my agreement i said i just ignore lesbian games and dont complain about them in their gamethread. The thing is this isnt a lesbian game, people just want to make it one.

But why shouldn't it at least have a pure lesbian path as an option for players who want it? As I said earlier, a major point of appeal of a female protag game is lesbian action and this is generally what they're tailored towards, either completely or optionally, so there should at least be that option.

 

[e-disfunction]

But why shouldn't it at least have a pure lesbian path as an option for players who want it? As I said earlier, a major point of appeal of a female protag game is lesbian action and this is generally what they're tailored towards, either completely or optionally, so there should at least be that option.

The simple answer(s) you'll get from most developers:

* Because each path created takes much, much work. One unplanned and unbudgetted (time AND money) extra path can be overwhelming.
* Because they are not comfortable (or have no experience, or have no personal interest) with writing those scenes.
* Because the likely payback (of whatever sort) is insufficient for the time, trouble, stress, and/or headaches that will be gained.

e-d

 

[LaPein]

But why shouldn't it at least have a pure lesbian path as an option for players who want it?

It depends on what you think about when talk about pure lesbian path if there is a lesbian girl you can romance and avoid all men, im not against it. If you talk about having lesbian sex with all female characters in the game i think its stupid and basicly a male protagonist game.

As I said earlier, a major point of appeal of a female protag game is lesbian action

For you but not for me, i mean i dont hate its just boring/vanilla.

and this is generally what they're tailored towards, either completely or optionally, so there should at least be that option.

I dont really know what youre saying right here, my english isnt the best. If you say female protagonist games were always so heavy on the lesbian path youre wrong. Look at the old games Officer Chloe/Adventures of Tara for example there is barely any lesbian stuff and they were very well supported in the past. To sum it up female protagonist games have a lot more to offer than just lesbian stuff, if you think thats their only purpose your wrong.

 

[Vrijgeest]

Do you realize he said the exact opposite of what you defended? You ignore lesbian games, while he said he hates people criticizing lesbian games and wanting dick in every game.
Again, it is funny because yesterday there must have been a huge break in communication between us since his opinion is more or less the same as mine. In a game with a fem MC I'd rather play her as a lesbian than see her humiliated by scumbags, which seems to be your kink. Nothing against that, it's just not for me.


Knee jerk reactions... Not helpful...
If only people would think first...

Are you stalking me? Just what are you trying to prove?

 

[Aristos]

Are you stalking me? Just what are you trying to prove?

Of course I'm not stalking you, don't worry. I don't need to, since in every new sandbox game there you are complaining about sandbox so you are easy to remember. A look at your posts in your profile and it was easy to find examples. In fact, all the ones I quoted were taken from just the first 5 pages of your messages; there are 50 pages in total.

I wasn't trying to prove anything. In fact, I was supporting your claim that people in this community have strong opinions, opinions that don't change, and usually show strong negative knee jerk reactions. In my case, it's sex with very young characters; in your case, the one I noticed is sandbox.

 

[Zeos]

Typing it out like this I realize it sounds pretty ambitious put hopefully I will be able to realize it in the way i imagine it.

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A pure lesbian route was not planned so far since it did not occur to me to put one in but since I saw how many of you care about that I will think about ways to make characters from planned lesbians scenes into possible love interests.

Yes it sounds ambitious. The important thing is to see it through. With that in mind, don't give too much weight to what we say here. Do what you have planned, plow ahead, get to the finish line.

The fact that people are talking a lot in this thread is good evidence that you did a good job. People want this, people want that. I think people want to see this level of quality geared towards their on personal kinks. I'm no different: All-Girl, all the time, 4 life! But don't listen to us. Do your thing. It's working. See the Long Summer through.

Since this is a high effort/frame endeavor, I suggest avoiding meaningless dialog and unnecessary scenes at all costs. Not that I found any in the game so far, I didn't. Maybe some scenes were just a bit longer than they needed to be. Nothing wrong with them, my concern is only on the cost/benefit (effort/storytelling) side of things, witch might be specially important in a project like this. I suspect you knew all this already, but it may be worth it to keep it in mind.

There is a game that I think is similar to what you are planning here: Descent. Realistic story, wholesome girl gets corrupted (or not), realistic models, one lesbian path, pretty satisfying.

Have a nice day and good luck.

 

[thanks for the demos]

A Long Summer, huh? Well, it's obviously not going to be Neverending, but how long are we talking about? About 500 Days worth?
(nobody went for the lowhanging fruit yet? They're delicious )

To not be entirely off-topic:
It has been said numerous times, but I'll reiterate: MC is adorable, cute and good-looking in a gal-next-door kind of way. Based on your roadmap I'm actually interested in all the paths you've laid out (as long as most of the misery-equals-growth tropes stay avoidable). Also looking forward to nice, fleshed-out girl/girl romance(s) and character growth along some less traversed paths.

Best of luck!

 

[fortuna95]

The fact that people are talking a lot in this thread is good evidence that you did a good job.

You're right but I think 4 Patrons is a little bit disappointing after such a good start. What's the reason, I'm asking myself? Maybe because of "no sexual content"? Maybe the tiresome topic "female protagonist"? I don't know, but if I compare it with "High Life", there were dozens Patrons after the 0.1. start. Okay, that game was a liitle bit better, with the sound especially, but though, this awesome start here (just look at the cuteness, atmosphere and the details of city and houses!) deserves more than just 4 Patrons. jm2c

And before someone ask, yeah I'm his patron and I hope the 0.2 arrives better.

 

[Mormont]

It's a nice looking game, not a lot to go on with content as of yet but the female MC looks good, I'd certainly hope she can pursue her friend, one of the options I noticed seem to hint at that so here's hoping.

Of course I'm not stalking you, don't worry.

I'd make a joke about that but better not as it's in here

 

[PingSHazel]

it s seems good

 

[LaPein]

You're right but I think 4 Patrons is a little bit disappointing after such a good start. What's the reason, I'm asking myself? Maybe because of "no sexual content"? Maybe the tiresome topic "female protagonist"? I don't know, but if I compare it with "High Life", there were dozens Patrons after the 0.1. start. Okay, that game was a liitle bit better, with the sound especially, but though, this awesome start here (just look at the cuteness, atmosphere and the details of city and houses!) deserves more than just 4 Patrons. jm2c

And before someone ask, yeah I'm his patron and I hope the 0.2 arrives better.

its a bit early for getting worried imo. But he should promote his game on other forums too, maybe make this shoutout thing with other creators and so on.
Aside from that i think the multiple protagonist thing isnt really helping, in my opinion he should decide for one. And something else seems to show, dont listen to lesbian fanboys, most of them wont support you even if you change your plan for the game especially for them. With exception of you of course.

Conidering high life, there were big indicators of incest and we all know incest sells. In this game it may be possible but i havent seen any indicators until now.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

its a bit early for getting worried imo. But he should promote his game on other forums too, maybe make this shoutout thing with other creators and so on.
Aside from that i think the multiple protagonist thing isnt really helping, in my opinion he should decide for one. And something else seems to show, dont listen to lesbian fanboys, most of them wont support you even if you change your plan for the game especially for them. With exception of you of course.

Conidering high life, there were big indicators of incest and we all know incest sells. In this game it may be possible but i havent seen any indicators until now.

She has a sister and there's the "lesbian" tag. That's all the "indicator" some people will need.

(Unless the sister dying of an overdose is the "traumatic event").