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It's strange how smart the developer was with the story but has plenty of spelling/grammar errors. The story-telling is really good when you think about it. Because doesn't anybody think it's weird that he was able to convince us that these girls kinda fell in love with the MC in 3-5 days?? That's real talent if you can write a believable dialogue for that (while having tender music choices that just hit you out of nowhere).

And the guy doesn't have much going personality or status wise, aside from being tall, handsome, well-built and has a big dick. He is more like your usual nice guy but never goes overboard. This VN is pretty goddamn impressive with all the heartfelt, personal moments that canonically took less than a week. And how the fuck was the developer able to put so much passion and longing on Elizabeth's worried face? Just crazy. View attachment 1827521
I think one of reasons why it seems ok for us for a guy to make girls fall in love with him in 3-5 days is because of the development time.
We wait months for each chapter so maybe that time distorts our view of the actual time in the game?
 

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Can someone help me with the missing gallery photos?
I'm not sure how to get the missing ones.
I went through all the routes I think.
Not solo though. 2-3 girls per run.
 

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I think one of reasons why it seems ok for us for a guy to make girls fall in love with him in 3-5 days is because of the development time.
We wait months for each chapter so maybe that time distorts our view of the actual time in the game?

That's a good point. I would also believe that but I actually played the game CH 1-5 without interruption, going in blind. And it still holds-up with a good immersive narrative, I didn't think I would end up falling for an emotionally broken girl in a visual novel (even though I already kinda did in "Acting Lessons").

How the hell did they even envision that rooftop scene with the country music? And that tender music while having virginal sex with Ashley felt so goddamn intimate. I am really impressed, this is what high art feels like. *chef's kiss* 283033388_5258710317484465_3386609351470934851_n.jpg
 
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It's strange how smart the developer was with the story but has plenty of spelling/grammar errors. The story-telling is really good when you think about it. Because doesn't anybody think it's weird that he was able to convince us that these girls kinda fell in love with the MC in 3-5 days?? That's real talent if you can write a believable dialogue for that (while having tender music choices that just hit you out of nowhere).

And the guy doesn't have much going personality or status wise, aside from being tall, handsome, well-built and has a big dick. He is more like your usual nice guy but never goes overboard. This VN is pretty goddamn impressive with all the heartfelt, personal moments that canonically took less than a week. And how the fuck was the developer able to put so much passion and longing on Elizabeth's worried face? Just crazy. View attachment 1827521
Meeting Aurora in the park is also amazing in terms of working with expression and feelings. I always feel like total shit when I have to deny her feelings, but I always only go the monogamous route with one girl.
 

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That's a good point. I would also believe that but I actually played the game CH 1-5 without interruption, going in blind. And it still holds-up with a good immersive narrative, I didn't think I would end up falling for an emotionally broken girl in a visual novel (even though I already kinda did in "Acting Lessons").

How the hell did they even envision that rooftop scene with the country music? And that tender music while having virginal sex with Ashley felt so goddamn intimate. I am really impressed, this is what high art feels like. *chef's kiss* View attachment 1827634
Ashley is the best girl with the most romantic and intimate scenes. Plus the narrative with childhood friends who haven't had a chance to express their feelings works for this.
 

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Ashley is the best girl with the most romantic and intimate scenes. Plus the narrative with childhood friends who haven't had a chance to express their feelings works for this.
Getting a tattoo just because she lost a bet makes her look like a Bimbo.
 

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I just played through the game 8 times in a row to get all the scenes. Feels a bit like Groundhogs day with the various changes.

Sung-Ji ended up being my favorite, despite having a thing for Rebecca at first glance. Sung-Ji is simply the only one without trauma and emotional turmoil guiding her, she's bubbly and fun and her lewd scenes were excellent.

My main gripe is how the MC, and the LI's act during intimacy. It's really cringe and ends up being a turn off.

First off, it's rather strange that 99% of these really hot college students have never even kissed someone. 99% being virgins is also strange, but I'll dismiss that as wish fulfillment.

The obnoxious amount of blood from popping cherries is 100% unbelievable and ruins the immersion. I was a cherry popper in high school, took the virginity of at least 8 or 9 girls and only 3 of those bled at all, and it was barely noticeable. Hell, getting with a woman on her period doesn't even result in your dick looking like it just sliced through a body...

The way the MC treats pussies like gaping flesh wounds is so cringe I almost stopped playing. Damn near every single encounter had the dialogue play out with MC barely brushing a vagina with a finger and then recoiling in fear from the pain he just caused her. Apologizing for hurting her and the subsequent 'Just be careful' remark from the LI. I can't even chock it up to translation errors as the scenes play out exactly like MC is afraid of hurting them simply by blowing on their pussy. It really comes off feeling like the Dev has never actually touched one and fully expects them to be painful wounds women endure.

The constant need for consent is equally ridiculous. She just stripped her clothes off in the backseat of her car because she is so hot for you, your throbbing dick is literally inside her as she grinds on top of you and you feel the need to ask if you can kiss her???

Foreplay consisting of 30 seconds of light fingering and then straight to sex is annoying. MC never bothers to even touch their tits, only touches a nipple once when provoked and apparently forgets completely that women enjoy them being sucked on. It's obvious why MC never goes down on any of them however, as he feels a mere finger is so horrifically painful for her that using his mouth would be akin to taking a knife to them...

The constant use of the phrase "I liked them" to indicate current attraction is an obvious translation error but it's used so much that it really needs to be corrected.

The LI's being shy about their tit size and remarking that they aren't as impressive as MC's dick is really strange. Not once in 40 years of having sex have I ever had a girl compare her tits to my dick. Further, I've never had a girl get embarrassed about how wet she is, that's like having the MC apologizing for how hard he is, it's just weird.

I really like this game, it has potential to be top tier but the intimate encounters really needs some polish as it's just a cringe fest right now that completely breaks the immersion and derails the enjoyment.

Also, I really hope Dani gets some action at some point because she's a curvy cutie that really standsout.
 

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Haha. Sungji having no gag reflex really made her go up in the LI rankings.

Girls do get embarrassed about how wet they are, but it's rare to find one that gets really wet enough to be embarrassed.

I've noticed that the dev tends to avoid mouth animation aside from BJs and kissing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I seen the MC suck a nipple or lick pussy even once. Maybe it's harder to do the animation?

Having Jenny as their competition, you can forgive the girls about being shy with their breast size.

Chapter 5 really pushed Aurora, Sungji and Elizabeth up the rankings with their scenes for me.
 

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Edit: Nevermind, I fixed most of those already, this isn't an OEM hotfix file. #4 is not a good resolution (well, for me since those variables of who was talked to are important to the guide). I'm gonna go with the proper conditionals for each I reckon.
Another note regarding #4... Jenny's is actually done correctly OEM. I've decided to correct the others via the "exp" labels (freeroam) as they should have been rather than changing the conditionals in both the lines after #After exp and label c5_ni_exp .
If by "proper conditionals for each" you mean additional variables to distinguish between just spoke to them vs spoke & then got the extended scene(s), then as I mentioned that could be a solution that the dev. might implement.

If you mean you're only setting the bc5aca_exp_girl_event vars if the player gets the extended scene(s), then that would also work but requires reworking/forking the code in multiple places.

Either probably makes sense in a walkthrough mod, since you're forking all the code anyway I assume.

The reason I didn't go that route in the hotfix is I'm trying to go light touch as much as possible to minimise future dependency on the hotfix being installed. Hopefully TLG will fix his code eventually so the hotfix becomes redundant. So I avoid introducing my own variables or forking the code as much as possible, so people can delete the hotfix in future without breaking saves or throwing errors in most cases.

And I think all the bc5aca_exp_girl_event vars are being correctly set for their initial purpose (bailing out of the short chats if you've already done it). The problem is the dev. then uses them to trigger scenes talking about the extended scenes, which didn't necessarily happen. Having additional vars for the extended scenes & testing those would be the preferred approach in a proper OEM fix imo. The problem would be how to deal with existing saves which don't have them, in which case you're back to something like my hack in an after_load or the like.
 
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I just played through the game 8 times in a row to get all the scenes. Feels a bit like Groundhogs day with the various changes.

Sung-Ji ended up being my favorite, despite having a thing for Rebecca at first glance. Sung-Ji is simply the only one without trauma and emotional turmoil guiding her, she's bubbly and fun and her lewd scenes were excellent.

My main gripe is how the MC, and the LI's act during intimacy. It's really cringe and ends up being a turn off.

First off, it's rather strange that 99% of these really hot college students have never even kissed someone. 99% being virgins is also strange, but I'll dismiss that as wish fulfillment.

The obnoxious amount of blood from popping cherries is 100% unbelievable and ruins the immersion. I was a cherry popper in high school, took the virginity of at least 8 or 9 girls and only 3 of those bled at all, and it was barely noticeable. Hell, getting with a woman on her period doesn't even result in your dick looking like it just sliced through a body...

The way the MC treats pussies like gaping flesh wounds is so cringe I almost stopped playing. Damn near every single encounter had the dialogue play out with MC barely brushing a vagina with a finger and then recoiling in fear from the pain he just caused her. Apologizing for hurting her and the subsequent 'Just be careful' remark from the LI. I can't even chock it up to translation errors as the scenes play out exactly like MC is afraid of hurting them simply by blowing on their pussy. It really comes off feeling like the Dev has never actually touched one and fully expects them to be painful wounds women endure.

The constant need for consent is equally ridiculous. She just stripped her clothes off in the backseat of her car because she is so hot for you, your throbbing dick is literally inside her as she grinds on top of you and you feel the need to ask if you can kiss her???

Foreplay consisting of 30 seconds of light fingering and then straight to sex is annoying. MC never bothers to even touch their tits, only touches a nipple once when provoked and apparently forgets completely that women enjoy them being sucked on. It's obvious why MC never goes down on any of them however, as he feels a mere finger is so horrifically painful for her that using his mouth would be akin to taking a knife to them...

The constant use of the phrase "I liked them" to indicate current attraction is an obvious translation error but it's used so much that it really needs to be corrected.

The LI's being shy about their tit size and remarking that they aren't as impressive as MC's dick is really strange. Not once in 40 years of having sex have I ever had a girl compare her tits to my dick. Further, I've never had a girl get embarrassed about how wet she is, that's like having the MC apologizing for how hard he is, it's just weird.

I really like this game, it has potential to be top tier but the intimate encounters really needs some polish as it's just a cringe fest right now that completely breaks the immersion and derails the enjoyment.

Also, I really hope Dani gets some action at some point because she's a curvy cutie that really standsout.
I agree that a great deal of this story has some problems that a little English as a second language might cure. I emailed TLG and offered to fix the horrific writing, and possibly fix the plot a bit. I have yet to hear back.

I don't really know why I like this game. I mean I do like this game. The story COULD be great. The girls are gorgeous. Jenny is of course my front runner, and I think Elizabeth and then.....hmmmm Valerie I guess..... then Jade........ I am not so much into the rest, although I do think Rebecca has potential.

Still the story, as it is written, is pretty fucking hard to read. Doing it 8 times should get you some kind of award. I would only restart from the beginning if TLG reaches back to my email and accepts my offer to help out.

Anyhow, I thoroughly enjoyed and agree with most of your post.
Peace
 
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First off, it's rather strange that 99% of these really hot college students have never even kissed someone. 99% being virgins is also strange, but I'll dismiss that as wish fulfillment.

The obnoxious amount of blood from popping cherries is 100% unbelievable and ruins the immersion. I was a cherry popper in high school, took the virginity of at least 8 or 9 girls and only 3 of those bled at all, and it was barely noticeable. Hell, getting with a woman on her period doesn't even result in your dick looking like it just sliced through a body...
Having been treated to a roughly ten minute lecture about "how virginity works" on the now defunct Touchscreen podcast (about erotic games) courtesy of host Nina Kiel I found the scene with Ashley and the old "hitting a concrete wall / fountains of blood" cliché slightly disturbing. I just hope that is not repeated with Jenny on her path.
 
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Hopefully TLG will fix his code eventually so the hotfix becomes redundant. So I avoid introducing my own variables or forking the code as much as possible, so people can delete the hotfix in future without breaking saves or throwing errors in most cases.
Good morning. Hopefully, but I still have fixes in from Ch3 so I'm losing some hope, indeed. Otherwise I don't introduce new variables, SanchoMod has always been save file friendly so saves can be later used unmodded if desired, what I'm suggesting (or rather what I'm going to do) is tweak the Exp events for Reb/Jade to be like Jen's which won't break any saves and is minimal effort tbh. What I was wanting you to see if you had time was that Jen's is actually done correctly, it only flags the event IF you're on her route and therefore are awarded the extended scene (lewd in this case). Reb's and Jade's doesn't do this properly. You may have already noticed but thought I'd point it out. Regards bud.
 

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I just played through the game 8 times in a row to get all the scenes. Feels a bit like Groundhogs day with the various changes.

Sung-Ji ended up being my favorite, despite having a thing for Rebecca at first glance. Sung-Ji is simply the only one without trauma and emotional turmoil guiding her, she's bubbly and fun and her lewd scenes were excellent.

My main gripe is how the MC, and the LI's act during intimacy. It's really cringe and ends up being a turn off.

First off, it's rather strange that 99% of these really hot college students have never even kissed someone. 99% being virgins is also strange, but I'll dismiss that as wish fulfillment.

The obnoxious amount of blood from popping cherries is 100% unbelievable and ruins the immersion. I was a cherry popper in high school, took the virginity of at least 8 or 9 girls and only 3 of those bled at all, and it was barely noticeable. Hell, getting with a woman on her period doesn't even result in your dick looking like it just sliced through a body...

The way the MC treats pussies like gaping flesh wounds is so cringe I almost stopped playing. Damn near every single encounter had the dialogue play out with MC barely brushing a vagina with a finger and then recoiling in fear from the pain he just caused her. Apologizing for hurting her and the subsequent 'Just be careful' remark from the LI. I can't even chock it up to translation errors as the scenes play out exactly like MC is afraid of hurting them simply by blowing on their pussy. It really comes off feeling like the Dev has never actually touched one and fully expects them to be painful wounds women endure.

The constant need for consent is equally ridiculous. She just stripped her clothes off in the backseat of her car because she is so hot for you, your throbbing dick is literally inside her as she grinds on top of you and you feel the need to ask if you can kiss her???

Foreplay consisting of 30 seconds of light fingering and then straight to sex is annoying. MC never bothers to even touch their tits, only touches a nipple once when provoked and apparently forgets completely that women enjoy them being sucked on. It's obvious why MC never goes down on any of them however, as he feels a mere finger is so horrifically painful for her that using his mouth would be akin to taking a knife to them...

The constant use of the phrase "I liked them" to indicate current attraction is an obvious translation error but it's used so much that it really needs to be corrected.

The LI's being shy about their tit size and remarking that they aren't as impressive as MC's dick is really strange. Not once in 40 years of having sex have I ever had a girl compare her tits to my dick. Further, I've never had a girl get embarrassed about how wet she is, that's like having the MC apologizing for how hard he is, it's just weird.

I really like this game, it has potential to be top tier but the intimate encounters really needs some polish as it's just a cringe fest right now that completely breaks the immersion and derails the enjoyment.

Also, I really hope Dani gets some action at some point because she's a curvy cutie that really standsout.
100% The writing is poorly written and super cringy. It's worse as the episodes go by. "I am taking off my panties before I soil myself" Aurora yelled "My womb! My womb!" Who the fuck speaks like that!?!

Why the fuck are you telling everyone you are thinking about shooting Adam. You shut the fuck up about those things. That's how you get caught 101!!
 
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Do you have a roughly idea when you will have finished your mod for AOA?
Without a walkthrough, the game is a disaster and the previous mods were unfortunately all only there to ensure that the savegames no longer worked with every update.

That's why I'm eagerly awaiting your mod.

Small question, would it be possible to include a chapter selection in the mod?
Like, you choose your LI and start in the selected chapter with her maximum score,
or would that be too difficult to program, or would the savegames be scrapped?

I'm just tired of starting over and over again with every update...
 

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That is the exact same thing as maxing the score and sticking to one girl. Scenes with each girl are either/or,
so even in max points with everyone, one path where you could choose either one girl this day
or another girl the other day will default close any possibility of choosing some of the girls you did not get to choose from.
 
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Do you have a roughly idea when you will have finished your mod for AOA?
Without a walkthrough, the game is a disaster and the previous mods were unfortunately all only there to ensure that the savegames no longer worked with every update.

That's why I'm eagerly awaiting your mod.

Small question, would it be possible to include a chapter selection in the mod?
Like, you choose your LI and start in the selected chapter with her maximum score,
or would that be too difficult to program, or would the savegames be scrapped?

I'm just tired of starting over and over again with every update...
Good morning. I don't have a timeline on the port yet. I've completed 100% thru end of Ch3 of the ChoiceGuide and the FreeRoam guide, and the SanchoGallery is done (~24 scenes if I remember correctly). I've incorporated SanchoCheats into this port so you can actively change (correctly) LI points, routes, etc. I still need to code the routes to automatically disable the routes that wouldn't otherwise be accessible that the route the player turns ON like I do in my other mods (this insures the tightest "pure" playthrough even though the player decided to use the cheat system). I also need to write additional proper split scenes as I progress into Ch4 & Ch5 for the ChoiceGuide/FreeRoam guide. So far I'm very selective on which scenes I split so as to insure they maintain the purest playthrough as possible (most are 100% clean, no additional variables changes even though the split is seen by the player). These can be a bitch to code correctly. The easy way is to simply loop scenes but then the player picks up additional variables that would have otherwise been impossible... which is lazy coding imho. I don't roll that way as most folks know by now.

It takes a while to do this proper. I've been on it every single day since I started pushing out teaser pics/vids. This mod is on par with BaDIK in regards to complexity and sheer mass of code. This is no small feat to be certain. If the individual enjoyed my other large title versions of SanchoMod (BaDIK, LoF, UoP, Eternum, etc.) then this is over the top to those since it used the very latest of my core and has the vastly superior FreeRoam guide that is now truly dynamic in nature. I think you'll be impressed. There's no way I can see it's possible that a player won't benefit from at least one of the shit-tons of features I'm packing into this bad boy.

With a gain of salt though, the dev's code is rather buggy and I'm doing my best to sort things out while maintaining future-proof code. I've not failed previously in this strategy but I won't lie, this one is a beast to correct and still keep it tight. These types of issues are what sets me back from constantly typing in code as I have to periodically stop and re-analyze conditionals and other variables... which to do 100% correct eats time from the clock.

I know this is a wall of text post but I've always been transparent and trying to be as clear and detailed as possible without getting too far into the "weeds". I'll keep y'all posted of course as I always do.
 
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