RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.5.8.5b] [Chyos]

[Cat-in-the-Hat]

You are mixing up facts... neither the next step in the cult nor in the demons Quest requires Kirlic the only quest currently requiring it is Kate and Claires.
The monastery of Kirlic is outside of the city and several miles away to be precise.
The cult requires the ruined monastery in the darkwoods which we already know.
I'll give you the Tia marathon though.

Ok, I don't currently have this title installed, so this is from memory and cba to look up the names atm:

Kate
Ophelia (Father quest)
Queen / Princess (requires Front map as well more than likely, but King is ultimately based in City)
Church (see what Priest / Paladin / Syfia say, not just Kirlic Monastery: from memory Paladins are not based in Kirlic)
Cult (Mini-boss Prophet links to City)
Emily 2nd daughter (Cards player / fashion design threads)
Baron's Son's Bride (usually remains in camp or chastity belt, Father is in City)
Dwarves / Dark Elves (very tenuous but requires Mage specialist to even approach area, see their dialogues - so where else are you going to put getting some specific magic training etc?)
Bandits / Revan (see dialogues - if you're ultimately going to replace the Baron, getting Revan pardoned / jail broken will require politics higher than Baron, which means... the City)
Rebel plotline (requires Front map 1st, but ultimately...)

Etc.

For Act II any sane designer would immediately know that something like this is going to be required and plan accordingly (map of Waterdeep)

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What are you talking about? the Mill was added when Chyos reworked the Arenfield map around a year ago.

I mean the building in the SE corner next to the barn. As far as I'm aware this has been present since 4.5ish - the point remains that an early quest to mill flour or clear of rats is somewhat of a tradition in these types of RPGs... but the building has remained stubbornly unused for at least a whole number of patch cycles. This doesn't mean it needs using ASAP, it merely shows that the Dev knows how these hooks work.

And again this is something in existance, you might not agree to it but even you can't deny it's existence.

Do you have a non-Patreon locked link to this? I'd be genuinely interested in reading over it to see the feasibility.

 

[Evangelion-01]

Kate
Ophelia (Father quest)
Queen / Princess (requires Front map as well more than likely, but King is ultimately based in City)
Church (see what Priest / Paladin / Syfia say, not just Kirlic Monastery: from memory Paladins are not based in Kirlic)
Cult (Mini-boss Prophet links to City)
Emily 2nd daughter (Cards player / fashion design threads)
Baron's Son's Bride (usually remains in camp or chastity belt, Father is in City)
Dwarves / Dark Elves (very tenuous but requires Mage specialist to even approach area, see their dialogues - so where else are you going to put getting some specific magic training etc?)
Bandits / Revan (see dialogues - if you're ultimately going to replace the Baron, getting Revan pardoned / jail broken will require politics higher than Baron, which means... the City)
Rebel plotline (requires Front map 1st, but ultimately...)

• agreed
• Queen and Princess are linked to the Orcs in MadraGaz (main Orc settlement) so no connection to Kirlic
• The King resides in a completly different city
• The next step in the church Quest is the monastery near the crossroad with the Inn visible on the map
• The Cult is operating in Arenfield and the monastery in the darkwoods right now wether an where other hideouts/cells are operating is as of yet unclear
• Emilys second daugther is Mira so church Quest... if you are talking about her firstborn Frisha there never was even an indication to that
• Lyandra is not quiet clear yet... sure you can bring her to Kirlic, but unless her marriage with Dave is dealt with that wouldn't solve anything
• There is a University in Kirlic, though in Society magic is called witchcraft and practitioners are hunted, so the university doesn't teach magic... try Gwen/Isha or more likely Sabrina or maybe some elves if Gwen/Isha finds them
• Kirlic is ruled by another Baron so no that won't help at all, Arenfield is under Girons juristiction th Baron of Kirlic wouldn't get involved there.
• The War is by far not even hinted at at the current story point development.

You are putting your own expactations before the facts... and I have no idea where you even get those ideas about "Act 2" Either you are in the wrong Thread or you are mixing up even more stuff.

I mean the building in the SE corner next to the barn. As far as I'm aware this has been present since 4.5ish - the point remains that an early quest to mill flour or clear of rats is somewhat of a tradition in these types of RPGs... but the building has remained stubbornly unused for at least a whole number of patch cycles. This doesn't mean it needs using ASAP, it merely shows that the Dev knows how these hooks work.

The building you are talking about was changed dureing the makeover currently it could be as much as an Alchemy laboratory there is no indication for a mill aside of Pennys grinding stones.

Do you have a non-Patreon locked link to this? I'd be genuinely interested in reading over it to see the feasibility.

I can't help you there, the roadmap exist though it's not public visible, the polls are an extraction of said roadmap

 

[zARRR]

Ok, I don't currently have this title installed, so this is from memory and cba to look up the names atm:

Kate
Ophelia (Father quest)
Queen / Princess (requires Front map as well more than likely, but King is ultimately based in City)
Church (see what Priest / Paladin / Syfia say, not just Kirlic Monastery: from memory Paladins are not based in Kirlic)
Cult (Mini-boss Prophet links to City)
Emily 2nd daughter (Cards player / fashion design threads)
Baron's Son's Bride (usually remains in camp or chastity belt, Father is in City)
Dwarves / Dark Elves (very tenuous but requires Mage specialist to even approach area, see their dialogues - so where else are you going to put getting some specific magic training etc?)
Bandits / Revan (see dialogues - if you're ultimately going to replace the Baron, getting Revan pardoned / jail broken will require politics higher than Baron, which means... the City)
Rebel plotline (requires Front map 1st, but ultimately...)

Etc.

For Act II any sane designer would immediately know that something like this is going to be required and plan accordingly (map of Waterdeep)

You must be registered to see the links

I mean the building in the SE corner next to the barn. As far as I'm aware this has been present since 4.5ish - the point remains that an early quest to mill flour or clear of rats is somewhat of a tradition in these types of RPGs... but the building has remained stubbornly unused for at least a whole number of patch cycles. This doesn't mean it needs using ASAP, it merely shows that the Dev knows how these hooks work.




Do you have a non-Patreon locked link to this? I'd be genuinely interested in reading over it to see the feasibility.

If you feel this strong feelings about it and you want to talk it deeply, You can ask directly to Chyos and discuss it, when he returns tomorrow.
He is more active on discord than F95, on the site he is a silent watcher that answers occasionally.
So you bring it directly to the big man

 

[smes95303]

How to watch kate dance in the evening service？

 

[Mr. Jekyll/Hyde]

Is there any benefit to having good moral alignment?

 

[zARRR]

How to watch kate dance in the evening service？

First you need to enable dancing in the tavern.
Then while you play the serving minigame you have to go to the ramp and start dancing

Is there any benefit to having good moral alignment?

Other than role playing and some dialogue changes, wicked alignment locks only some of the most nasty kinks

 

[Cat-in-the-Hat]

If you feel this strong feelings about it and you want to talk it deeply, You can ask directly to Chyos and discuss it, when he returns tomorrow.

It's more a general issue rather than being specifically Chyos: reading through the large numbers of games that either become abandoned or suffer massive drift issues (largely Western as Japan has an industry rather than hobbyists), one thing stands out: lone / small indy dev teams would benefit from a "Hey, you're a Developer now, here's a handy manual and some pointers" kit to help them. It would certainly cut down on needless drama, over-focusing on Discord feedback loops and burnout to the benefit of all in the scene. TBH, itch.io / Patreon etc really should be handling this as 'almost publishers' / third party front-ends.

Other than role playing and some dialogue changes, wicked alignment locks only some of the most nasty kinks

I wasn't aware that Alignment unlocked any content, barring the (negative) 65/66 required to alter the Holy Water. Can you point out other thresholds please? (Not in walkthroughs)

 

[zARRR]

It's more a general issue rather than being specifically Chyos: reading through the large numbers of games that either become abandoned or suffer massive drift issues (largely Western as Japan has an industry rather than hobbyists), one thing stands out: lone / small indy dev teams would benefit from a "Hey, you're a Developer now, here's a handy manual and some pointers" kit to help them. It would certainly cut down on needless drama, over-focusing on Discord feedback loops and burnout to the benefit of all in the scene. TBH, itch.io / Patreon etc really should be handling this as 'almost publishers' / third party front-ends.

I mean on this matter I fully agree that it is an issue that always keeps resurfacing in the scope of porn games made by western devs, that have no real constrictions or contracts to keep in line.
Since in Japan there is an industry and team of devs, with roadmaps and contracts the problem is avoided.
On the western front, we have independent devs (most of them even without experience) that stumble and try to find success on the internet.
Few keep a focus while others fly too ambitiously near the sun, and we get games where the main content is completely avoided in favor of side content or the things that the patrons like, forgetting entirely the main structure.
Then we have the cases of stalling and milking but that’s the argument for another discussion.
On Chyos side like Yotetar and other users like Eva and Wolf have admitted, there is a focus on keeping things straight and hard work with the main polls but alas we have the bonus scene pandora box and other flaws that had been repeated yadda yadda same stuff.
We shall see when he comes back if he has some news.

 

[smes95303]

First you need to enable dancing in the tavern.
Then while you play the serving minigame you have to go to the ramp and start dancing

Other than role playing and some dialogue changes, wicked alignment locks only some of the most nasty kinks

not sure what I'm missing or chosen wrong，I can see kate move at midnight，but dont know enable tavern dance

 

[zARRR]

I wasn't aware that Alignment unlocked any content, barring the (negative) 65/66 required to alter the Holy Water. Can you point out other thresholds please? (Not in walkthroughs)

Sure, I should definitely add them to that skeletal wiki:
- Kate’s anal
- Verena’s blindfold sex
- Natasha corruption (already mentioned)
And some lines of dialogues, basically few things.
He said at some point he wanted to rework it and add new things tho, but eh maybe in a distant feature

 

[smes95303]

not sure what I'm missing or chosen wrong，I can see kate move at midnight，but dont know enable tavern dance

maybe cause i disable NTR Content ？

 

[Cat-in-the-Hat]

maybe cause i disable NTR Content ？

You need to corrupt her first using the sit-at-table / cumwine route then unlock her outfit & discuss it in her room at midnight; but yes, I've a feeling the non-NTR tag disables the lewder dancing scene (as well as barn etc). Rick's dialogue specifically mentions "showing everyone in the room her pussy" and the MC's response is 'as long as they're just looking', so non-NTR hard flag might prevent it. This is why I suggested not using the hard flag at the start and simply playing smartly so you can tailor the amount of "NTR" content (lewd dancing is really really not NTR unless you're American / religiously minded).

Sure, I should definitely add them to that skeletal wiki:
- Kate’s anal
- Verena’s blindfold sex
- Natasha corruption (already mentioned)
And some lines of dialogues, basically few things.
He said at some point he wanted to rework it and add new things tho, but eh maybe in a distant feature

As far as I can tell, that means that 65/66 negative alignment is currently the max required for all unlocks then (my prior save has this threshold and all of that content is unlocked in it). When you said 'kink' I presumed there was a whole tier of the more scatalogical stuff hidden away [not my thing, but mechanically it would make sense].

 

[zARRR]

maybe cause i disable NTR Content ？

….Sigh yes

 

[smes95303]

….Sigh yes

oh.....haha，simple reason stuck me for hours

 

[zARRR]

You need to corrupt her first using the sit-at-table / cumwine route then unlock her outfit & discuss it in her room at midnight. Sh


As far as I can tell, that means that 65/66 negative alignment is currently the max required for all unlocks then (my prior save has this threshold and all of that content is unlocked in it). When you said 'kink' I presumed there was a whole tier of the more scatalogical stuff hidden away [not my thing, but mechanically it would make sense].

I mean three kinks:
- Anal sex (Kate)
- Blindfolded and swapped partner (Verena)
- Corruption and enlargement of body (Natasha)

Yeah if you expected something more extreme there ain’t really much, Chyos is on Patreon (and other kinks like scat is completely out of the question)

 

[Cat-in-the-Hat]

I mean three kinks:
- Anal sex (Kate)

Not sure that anal counts as a kink in the year of our lord 2023, but hey.

 

[zARRR]

Not sure that anal counts as a kink in the year of our lord 2023, but hey.

I am not going today on a wild search of what means and what means not kink, I’ll just check internet
Some articles say yes, the

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is too vague, it’s fine seems subjective, I won’t go in offtopic.

 

[Evangelion-01]

I wasn't aware that Alignment unlocked any content, barring the (negative) 65/66 required to alter the Holy Water. Can you point out other thresholds please? (Not in walkthroughs)

Being Nasty with Verena while she is still in a relationship with Roderick, Anal Training with Kate

 

[Tsuyri]

Someone has a recent save is that I had everything done until 5.0 but I had to delete some files and forget to support my save and I dont want to do
everything again

 

[Cat-in-the-Hat]

Someone has a recent save is that I had everything done until 5.0 but I had to delete some files and forget to support my save and I dont want to do
everything again

Non-NTR here: https://f95zone.to/threads/a-struggle-with-sin-v0-5-3-0-chyos.32136/post-10037715

Someone posted a NTR full save approx 5 pages later.