RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.5.8.5b] [Chyos]

[zARRR]

im trying to tell thomas to stop blackmailing kate but every time i go up there after the tavern closes they go into their room before i can sneak up on their conversation.

You have to play the minigame of the waitress first.

 

[hoshimota]

My biggest gripe is honestly just the way the game forces you to basically romance every LI, and how that changes the game. I really don't want to fuck a bunch of disgusting fat old mom's with fucking gingivitis and then have that nasty bitch constantly after my dick, and invading the scenes with the younger and actually hot LIs. I think it would be a much better design if romancing the older ladies was strictly optional and avoidable.

It blows my freaking mind that there is all this content devoted to threesomes involving Emily (barf) but no threesomes with Frisha and Mira? And then you build your house and it's like hey you want to invite someone over? HELL YEAH! Let's see lemme call over Frisha, or Mira, or Kate, or... oh wait no this option is only available for grandmas, FUCK!

Regarding the walkthrough, despite what may have been 'intended' the reality is, for 99% of players you will need to sit there with the guide open and very carefully plan what you do. I am OK with that, but I have seen several times in this thread where people try to say like oh you don't really need the guide everything is clear - that is extremely misleading to new players. You absolutely need to use the guide heavily.

 

[hoshimota]

You have to play the minigame of the waitress first.

Also this is one of the few situations where if you sleep until the exact time of the event you will miss if, if I remember correctly. You need to have a room in the inn (rent it or work in the kitchen that night) then go STAND in the hallway a little bit before midnight, then you will have the chance to interrupt their conversation. I seem to recall being confused because a few times I slept until midnight and it pops up a message saying you hear a conversation in the hall, wake up? But if you click wake up you still won't get out there in time.

 

[XSelLint]

My biggest gripe is honestly just the way the game forces you to basically romance every LI, and how that changes the game. I really don't want to fuck a bunch of disgusting fat old mom's with fucking gingivitis and then have that nasty bitch constantly after my dick, and invading the scenes with the younger and actually hot LIs. I think it would be a much better design if romancing the older ladies was strictly optional and avoidable.

It blows my freaking mind that there is all this content devoted to threesomes involving Emily (barf) but no threesomes with Frisha and Mira? And then you build your house and it's like hey you want to invite someone over? HELL YEAH! Let's see lemme call over Frisha, or Mira, or Kate, or... oh wait no this option is only available for grandmas, FUCK!

Regarding the walkthrough, despite what may have been 'intended' the reality is, for 99% of players you will need to sit there with the guide open and very carefully plan what you do. I am OK with that, but I have seen several times in this thread where people try to say like oh you don't really need the guide everything is clear - that is extremely misleading to new players. You absolutely need to use the guide heavily.

I complain about this last time too. You're basically forced to do it to Complete Quests even if you don't like them. Like Emily, you can't build a House or advance Athia Quests. Then Nyra, you can't complete Umah Quest with having her as your Wanita. Next is Claire, you can't progress with the Cult's Quest.

 

[zARRR]

My biggest gripe is honestly just the way the game forces you to basically romance every LI, and how that changes the game. I really don't want to fuck a bunch of disgusting fat old mom's with fucking gingivitis and then have that nasty bitch constantly after my dick, and invading the scenes with the younger and actually hot LIs. I think it would be a much better design if romancing the older ladies was strictly optional and avoidable.

It blows my freaking mind that there is all this content devoted to threesomes involving Emily (barf) but no threesomes with Frisha and Mira? And then you build your house and it's like hey you want to invite someone over? HELL YEAH! Let's see lemme call over Frisha, or Mira, or Kate, or... oh wait no this option is only available for grandmas, FUCK!

Meh heathen, you are talking like they are the most repugnant character models ever conceived, you just don’t like milfs and also some of them were remodeled, Emily’s older scenes were terrible, but yes it is a known issue but stop freaking *milfshaming* again like they presented to you a toad as LI.
But it is official that in the rework and balance update he will add options to avoid Emily, Claire, Nyra et cetera.
Chyos knows it was a main gripe for many, and it was a badly amateurish game design of his making Emily dependent, even patrons complained about it.

Also there are many Milf (and Emily) scenes because one, they are very popular amongst patrons, two Chyos likes mature women but third and mostly important because Emily's storyline was finished first and she is a vital character to MC's story, of course she is gwtting a tone of scenes.

Regarding the walkthrough, despite what may have been 'intended' the reality is, for 99% of players you will need to sit there with the guide open and very carefully plan what you do. I am OK with that, but I have seen several times in this thread where people try to say like oh you don't really need the guide everything is clear - that is extremely misleading to new players. You absolutely need to use the guide heavily.

and for the walkthrough again, saying it’s 99% complete misleading is fake as hell, you make it sound like they are walking on eggshells and if they made a wrong choice they’ll be doomed forever.
At least the 30% of this game (and mostly sex scenes locations) is ambiguous or irritating.
I made play this game to 3 people without WT to check if they can survive and most of them did except for some glaring issues that need to be fixed, like Frisha’s quest regarding to Lucius and so on.

Also this is one of the few situations where if you sleep until the exact time of the event you will miss if, if I remember correctly. You need to have a room in the inn (rent it or work in the kitchen that night) then go STAND in the hallway a little bit before midnight, then you will have the chance to interrupt their conversation.

If you sleep in the bed they give it you after working, you’ll always be awaken by Kate and Thomas bickering, and it doesn’t happen immediately, in fact players have time to to check it.
EDIT:
This assesment of yours is false, I checked, you have to do Kate's minigame to trigger thee event, and the game always gives you a warning.
If you go to sleep in the badly done bed in Kate's room, no matter the hour you choose they will give you the option to wake you up, and Thomas and Kate will stand there for more than a fucking minute.
While if you go to sleep in the rented bed, the option to sleep till "Kate goes to the bed" shall appear and it will giive you the choice to wake you up and you'll be given time to act.
And even if you miss it, you aren't penalized, because the NTR paths triggers only when you are around.

 

[wildride69]

Regarding the walkthrough, despite what may have been 'intended' the reality is, for 99% of players you will need to sit there with the guide open and very carefully plan what you do. I am OK with that, but I have seen several times in this thread where people try to say like oh you don't really need the guide everything is clear - that is extremely misleading to new players. You absolutely need to use the guide heavily.

You absolutely Do Not need to have the walkthrough open. My first playthrough was a completely blind run and I finished everything up to the current update. The Walkthrough is for the completionist that want to see every path and what if scenario in the game. To make a claim that you "have" or "need to" have the walkthrough open is just false. This is an actual game where some trial and error and more importantly reading the text is important.

The walkthrough is a guide that helps you, even if you have the walkthrough open from start to finish you still, cannot see all the paths in a single playthrough. For example Dasan, you can kill him, make him run away or make him king all 3 paths have greatly different outcomes walkthrough or no walkthrough. People can playthrough it once and on their 2nd or more playthrough use the guide to see options and paths they may have missed.

 

[Tanjim24]

anyone got a save after the demon
hunting quest

 

[Evangelion-01]

My biggest gripe is honestly just the way the game forces you to basically romance every LI, and how that changes the game. I really don't want to fuck a bunch of disgusting fat old mom's with fucking gingivitis and then have that nasty bitch constantly after my dick, and invading the scenes with the younger and actually hot LIs. I think it would be a much better design if romancing the older ladies was strictly optional and avoidable.

Dateing any of the girls is Optional, though you need to get aquinted with them to a certain point to advance the story (mainly Emily, which is up to change in some of the rework Updates apparently).

It blows my freaking mind that there is all this content devoted to threesomes involving Emily (barf) but no threesomes with Frisha and Mira? And then you build your house and it's like hey you want to invite someone over? HELL YEAH! Let's see lemme call over Frisha, or Mira, or Kate, or... oh wait no this option is only available for grandmas, FUCK!

Sure let's miss Mira and you are absolutely right... EXCEPT Mira... yeah.

Regarding the walkthrough, despite what may have been 'intended' the reality is, for 99% of players you will need to sit there with the guide open and very carefully plan what you do. I am OK with that, but I have seen several times in this thread where people try to say like oh you don't really need the guide everything is clear - that is extremely misleading to new players. You absolutely need to use the guide heavily.

You don't need the guide to advance the story as long as you read dialogues and Questlogs (Except Frisha... heavy rework of Questlog required).
You want to see any OPTIONAL scene?
Yeah useing the guide is pretty much a must or it gets frustrating fast.. it's still possible to figure the stuff out yourself.

Also this is one of the few situations where if you sleep until the exact time of the event you will miss if, if I remember correctly. You need to have a room in the inn (rent it or work in the kitchen that night) then go STAND in the hallway a little bit before midnight, then you will have the chance to interrupt their conversation. I seem to recall being confused because a few times I slept until midnight and it pops up a message saying you hear a conversation in the hall, wake up? But if you click wake up you still won't get out there in time.

No it's not, but as far as I remember Kate needs to fuck up dureing the minigame and fail to pay what Thomas charges her in order for the intervention by MC being possible... afterall why would Thomas try to Blackmail Kate if everythign is alright?

I complain about this last time too. You're basically forced to do it to Complete Quests even if you don't like them. Like Emily, you can't build a House or advance Athia Quests. Then Nyra, you can't complete Umah Quest with having her as your Wanita. Next is Claire, you can't progress with the Cult's Quest.

Yes you can... You certainly have to help Roderick with getting his stuff straight but you can avoid becomeing her lover if you choose so... but earnestly people complaining about fucking any female in the game is kinda strange for this Forum... normally it's the otherway around

 

[acowasto]

My biggest gripe is honestly just the way the game forces you to basically romance every LI, and how that changes the game. I really don't want to fuck a bunch of disgusting fat old mom's with fucking gingivitis and then have that nasty bitch constantly after my dick, and invading the scenes with the younger and actually hot LIs. I think it would be a much better design if romancing the older ladies was strictly optional and avoidable.

It blows my freaking mind that there is all this content devoted to threesomes involving Emily (barf) but no threesomes with Frisha and Mira? And then you build your house and it's like hey you want to invite someone over? HELL YEAH! Let's see lemme call over Frisha, or Mira, or Kate, or... oh wait no this option is only available for grandmas, FUCK!

Regarding the walkthrough, despite what may have been 'intended' the reality is, for 99% of players you will need to sit there with the guide open and very carefully plan what you do. I am OK with that, but I have seen several times in this thread where people try to say like oh you don't really need the guide everything is clear - that is extremely misleading to new players. You absolutely need to use the guide heavily.

Hard to not agree with you about game forcing you to romace/corrupt or both almost everything with two holes between thier legs in order to progress thier stories. I remember I already wrote an example of having to corrupt Hiba in order to unlock alchemy. If I remember correctly you also need to fuck whole village in order to progress with Rumah story. There's also cult story, which require you to romance Claire. And romancing Emily is a must if you want to progress with buildings.

On the other hand... ASS is a porn game. So I guess Chyos just didn't plan for players "not wanting to drill every hole" of each character at early stage of the game. Right now with each character having at least two paths and long stories, adding at least another one would require quite a lot of work just to basically skip a lot of content, which I guess isn't really a top priority right now and I guess won't be until the game is finished.

At least at some point Chyos became somewhat aware of this, because sometimes you can pick an option to not invite those "old hags" for threesomes if they want to join. Could better mark those option though.

I'm not going to say "Oh, you don't really need the guide, everything is clear", but saying "99% of players you will need to sit there with the guide open and very carefully plan what you do" isn't true either.
Yes there are parts when you really have to check for walkthrough, because you're stuck, but you really can play this game without a walkthrough and planning every step, mostly by being afraid of (Ugh...) NTR which can be turned off at any time.

As for my "issue" with the game... Combat, leveling up, talents, equipment, enemies... Now THOSE are bad. Actually, bad itself is a bad word to describe it, but I'll go with it. It won't be fixed any time soon or... at all, but I feel I need to rant about those.

Combat sucks, why? It's boring. Few, most of the time, simple attacks with boring or not existing animations and being either useless (Mark Target, Pin shot, Stunning Blow, Chop Armor, Skull Crusher) or overpowered as fuck (Defensive Strike, Sweeping Strike and Masscre!!!). But those doesn't actually matter all that much, because as soon as you equip leather armor and reach around 10 points in Armor Porficiency your party is basically unkillable and combat turns into 'hold the enter until enemies die".

Leveling up sucks too. It's all about killing everything around you. Seriously 99,69% of experience comes from killing. At low levels those are rather enjoyable. Few animals like rabbits, deers and maybe a few wolfs and orcs and maybe few bandit groups here and there. But as soon as you reach higher levels and unlock new maps leveling turns into "Turn Darkwood into blood lake simulator". I can't count how many enemies I killed in order to reach 72 level.

I only can guess how many times I went to cultist hideout under the church to slaughter them. How many times I was in cataccombs under the church fucking Syfa, because by fucking her I could fight her faster. Or how many fucking times I STORMED Calan's Rest!!! filled with Orcs, because they were with my experience points! No! Less is more. Less enemies, but more powerful ones. And challanges. Anything than that boring combat.
Oh, and right... Girl can just "train" a bit, in order to level up to MC's level. Well, I want to "train" too in order to gain experience not just walking around killing armies of living and not so living creatures.

Talents... yep. There's too many of them, at least for MC, in order to actually reasonably put points without feeling he's left behind. MC has 4 more skills than girls. That being Thievery which has to be leveled up a bit in order to progress with "Rouge-Dwarf", Witchcraft (luckly can be leveled up to needed level by using it), Weapon Mastery (Needed to unlock new skills for different weapons) and Hunting which you have to level up in order to not suck with hunting and learn bow skills.
Sure, some talents can be leveled up by doing "challanges", but there's just not enough of them. Additional way to earn talent points is needed.

Enemies... What can I say except they suck? Pack animals like wolfs are attacking... alone, making them more of a annoyace than a threat. Those "big bad orcs", being such a threat are constantly defeated by a bunch of half-orcs and a single human on every ocasion. How can I take them a serious threat to humans? I will repeat... STORMED CALAN'S REST!
That damn king should give me his daughter and I'll win this war by myself.

Equipment with slots to increase armor values. Sound good, looks good, but it makes every single character OP. Especially with so many slots to use on belts and bucklers and with armor proficiency. Remove it or balance it!

 

[zARRR]

Hard to not agree with you about game forcing you to romace/corrupt or both almost everything with two holes between thier legs in order to progress thier stories. I remember I already wrote an example of having to corrupt Hiba in order to unlock alchemy. If I remember correctly you also need to fuck whole village in order to progress with Rumah story. There's also cult story, which require you to romance Claire. And romancing Emily is a must if you want to progress with buildings.

On the other hand... ASS is a porn game. So I guess Chyos just didn't plan for players "not wanting to drill every hole" of each character at early stage of the game. Right now with each character having at least two paths and long stories, adding at least another one would require quite a lot of work just to basically skip a lot of content, which I guess isn't really a top priority right now and I guess won't be until the game is finished.

At least at some point Chyos became somewhat aware of this, because sometimes you can pick an option to not invite those "old hags" for threesomes if they want to join. Could better mark those option though.

I'm not going to say "Oh, you don't really need the guide, everything is clear", but saying "99% of players you will need to sit there with the guide open and very carefully plan what you do" isn't true either.
Yes there are parts when you really have to check for walkthrough, because you're stuck, but you really can play this game without a walkthrough and planning every step, mostly by being afraid of (Ugh...) NTR which can be turned off at any time.

As for my "issue" with the game... Combat, leveling up, talents, equipment, enemies... Now THOSE are bad. Actually, bad itself is a bad word to describe it, but I'll go with it. It won't be fixed any time soon or... at all, but I feel I need to rant about those.

Combat sucks, why? It's boring. Few, most of the time, simple attacks with boring or not existing animations and being either useless (Mark Target, Pin shot, Stunning Blow, Chop Armor, Skull Crusher) or overpowered as fuck (Defensive Strike, Sweeping Strike and Masscre!!!). But those doesn't actually matter all that much, because as soon as you equip leather armor and reach around 10 points in Armor Porficiency your party is basically unkillable and combat turns into 'hold the enter until enemies die".

Leveling up sucks too. It's all about killing everything around you. Seriously 99,69% of experience comes from killing. At low levels those are rather enjoyable. Few animals like rabbits, deers and maybe a few wolfs and orcs and maybe few bandit groups here and there. But as soon as you reach higher levels and unlock new maps leveling turns into "Turn Darkwood into blood lake simulator". I can't count how many enemies I killed in order to reach 72 level.

I only can guess how many times I went to cultist hideout under the church to slaughter them. How many times I was in cataccombs under the church fucking Syfa, because by fucking her I could fight her faster. Or how many fucking times I STORMED Calan's Rest!!! filled with Orcs, because they were with my experience points! No! Less is more. Less enemies, but more powerful ones. And challanges. Anything than that boring combat.
Oh, and right... Girl can just "train" a bit, in order to level up to MC's level. Well, I want to "train" too in order to gain experience not just walking around killing armies of living and not so living creatures.

Talents... yep. There's too many of them, at least for MC, in order to actually reasonably put points without feeling he's left behind. MC has 4 more skills than girls. That being Thievery which has to be leveled up a bit in order to progress with "Rouge-Dwarf", Witchcraft (luckly can be leveled up to needed level by using it), Weapon Mastery (Needed to unlock new skills for different weapons) and Hunting which you have to level up in order to not suck with hunting and learn bow skills.
Sure, some talents can be leveled up by doing "challanges", but there's just not enough of them. Additional way to earn talent points is needed.

Enemies... What can I say except they suck? Pack animals like wolfs are attacking... alone, making them more of a annoyace than a threat. Those "big bad orcs", being such a threat are constantly defeated by a bunch of half-orcs and a single human on every ocasion. How can I take them a serious threat to humans? I will repeat... STORMED CALAN'S REST!
That damn king should give me his daughter and I'll win this war by myself.

Equipment with slots to increase armor values. Sound good, looks good, but it makes every single character OP. Especially with so many slots to use on belts and bucklers and with armor proficiency. Remove it or balance it!

Acowasto coming out of nowhere after years of silence with a big ass essay, the mad lad.
How you doing buddy

 

[Evangelion-01]

Hard to not agree with you about game forcing you to romace/corrupt or both almost everything with two holes between thier legs in order to progress thier stories. I remember I already wrote an example of having to corrupt Hiba in order to unlock alchemy. If I remember correctly you also need to fuck whole village in order to progress with Rumah story. There's also cult story, which require you to romance Claire. And romancing Emily is a must if you want to progress with buildings.

This was adressed and changed already... fucking Hiba is still the fastest way to get to the Alchemy but there are alternatives now.
You only need to romance Raaisha and Tia in order to advancewith the Rumah story... but it takes much more work if you skip both Hiba and Nyra.
And again Claire is not required to be romanced or fucked by MC... he can just push Roderick to fulfill his duty as her husband.
Emily is the only one that you need to start any kind of sexual relationship in order to advance the story.

I'll agree that combat needs rebalanceing... but maybe a better approach would be to stop getting Exp from enemies once MC exceeds their Level to a certain degree... it would keep people from overleveling to much, as the game can't provide stronger enemies any faster without overhelming those starteing a fresh game.

 

[Baki-san18]

Guys, what gives the glow/blessing of the statue to which we are offering Easter eggs?

 

[trey31]

I need some help with umah getting a drink and nyra I need kill her son but I want to fuck her badly does anyone have a save and also it’s non ntr that I’m playing tho I’m just letting you know

 

[Evangelion-01]

I need some help with umah getting a drink and nyra I need kill her son but I want to fuck her badly does anyone have a save and also it’s non ntr that I’m playing tho I’m just letting you know

For Dassan... confront him about his crime and produce evidence... after he ran away from home find him in the wilderness and finish him off secretly... Nyra will still open up to MC.

 

[Lukee1234]

Guys, what gives the glow/blessing of the statue to which we are offering Easter eggs?

Fairy armore and a bow i think. Good stuff

 

[trey31]

For Dassan... confront him about his crime and produce evidence... after he ran away from home find him in the wilderness and finish him off secretly... Nyra will still open up to MC.

I did kill him she still don’t want anything with me and also what about umah??

 

[Evangelion-01]

I did kill him she still don’t want anything with me and also what about umah??

Don't kill him in Rumah.. make him flee...
She just lost her beloved husband at the hands of her equally beloved son in the most treacherous way imaginable to her.
Give her some time and let her watch MC being a better man than her son could ever be... by fucking any of the women you swooned in the open for her to see.

 

[trey31]

Don't kill him in Rumah.. make him flee...
She just lost her beloved husband at the hands of her equally beloved son in the most treacherous way imaginable to her.
Give her some time and let her watch MC being a better man than her son could ever be... by fucking any of the women you swooned in the open for her to see.

Oh ok I did kill him I think I screwed that up and but with umah

 

[Evangelion-01]

Oh ok I did kill him I think I screwed that up and but with umah

Just get Nyra in your Harem as described above... you'll have to be on her corruption route where she still hates MCs guts but can't live without his dick... she'll do anything you ask of her

 

[trey31]

Just get Nyra in your Harem as described above... you'll have to be on her corruption route where she still hates MCs guts but can't live without his dick... she'll do anything you ask of her

How long tho