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The game has HUGE potential (if you believe the map), it feels like +- 20% of the game is just ready... but questions are already arising... I see that a TON of (factions, let's call them that) want dominance. Mayor, Orcs, Witch, Church, Cult, Raven clan, even Succubus (well, in some way the HERO himself :) ) and in general (yet) it is not clear how it will all be in the game... But so far everything looks very cool...
Until I understand what is better (the CATHEDRAL quest) 1) The path of the succubus (as I understand then we will need to gather strength and kill the DEMON), 2) The path of the cathedral, to capture the Succubus and the World receives POWER (what kind of power is not yet clear, maybe SHE will turn into demon?\succubus?? o_O)... In the main city (Church) in the basement, a succubus is captured (if you completed the quest for the collar), but there are no scenes, she just stands there....
I decided that it was better to follow the path of SUCCUBUS... Although the game has (a hint) about morality, it is obvious that there is no GOOD PATH in the game (perhaps for now).... There is a path of EVIL, but in this path you either make ALL characters DOMINATE or become a kind of CUPID :confused: ....
lol syfa is looks like twin sister of MC only difrence betwen them is one think with vagina other with penis
 

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Meh heathen, you are talking like they are the most repugnant character models ever conceived, you just don’t like milfs and also some of them were remodeled, Emily’s older scenes were terrible, but yes it is a known issue but stop freaking *milfshaming* again like they presented to you a toad as LI.
But it is official that in the rework and balance update he will add options to avoid Emily, Claire, Nyra et cetera.
Chyos knows it was a main gripe for many, and it was a badly amateurish game design of his making Emily dependent, even patrons complained about it.

Also there are many Milf (and Emily) scenes because one, they are very popular amongst patrons, two Chyos likes mature women but third and mostly important because Emily's storyline was finished first and she is a vital character to MC's story, of course she is gwtting a tone of scenes.
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I just want to clarify something. First I am not shaming anyone. Just expressing my preference. But dude these are not "MILFs" a milf is like a woman in maybe her 20s or 30s who happens to have kids but is still HOT.

The LIs in this game that we are talking about, have grown adult children who could easily have young children themselves. They are GRANDMA age at that point. So if you really want to push the argument, it's GILFs not MILFs. I would wager that the overall pool of people who are sexually attracted to women in their 50s & 60s or even older, so much so that they are willing to pay for a game featuring said content no less, is a small pool. If the dev wanted to he could have called the game a struggle with grandmas and hey some people would surely pay a lot of money to support it, but it would be a drop in the ocean compared to the demand for content with somewhat more mainstream appeal LIs.

Having a couple of older LIs as potential options makes sense. Having the high ratio of them that we have in this game, and making it forced that you must hook up with them a million times, is a poor business and gamedev decision and there is nothing wrong with me griping about this (and I am far from the first or only person to say it.)
 
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The LIs in this game that we are talking about, have grown adult children who could easily have young children themselves. They are GRANDMA age at that point. So if you really want to push the argument, it's GILFs not MILFs. I would wager that the overall pool of people who are sexually attracted to women in their 50s & 60s or even older, so much so that they are willing to pay for a game featuring said content no less, is a small pool. If the dev wanted to he could have called the game a struggle with grandmas and hey some people would surely pay a lot of money to support it, but it would be a drop in the ocean compared to the demand for content with somewhat more mainstream appeal LIs.
Ths is a very subjective interpretation... if you wanne check the general definition I strongly sugjest some research...
Please remember this is a middle aged era game the characters are poor even among peasants and the overall life estimation is likely in between 30-40 Years, Emily is in her early 30s (I'd wager 34-36) and Verena might be something between late 20s and early 30s herself (I'd wager 30-31).
I don't know how many people you know or how old the avarage age of said people is but you certainly have an issue with conceiving overall age... not sure what you consider "Mainstream appeal LIs" but games certainly don't host underage characters in this kind of site/market.
Having a couple of older LIs as potential options makes sense. Having the high ratio of them that we have in this game, and making it forced that you must hook up with them a million times, is a poor business and gamedev decision and there is nothing wrong with me griping about this (and I am far from the first or only person to say it.)
Any chracter not living on their own needs Parents... haveing the Option to seduce and date said parents is a kink of it's own and hardly a poor business nor gamedev decision... it's not to YOUR liking... fine but don't try to sell your own taste as general or majority opinion.
 

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I just want to clarify something. First I am not shaming anyone. Just expressing my preference. But dude these are not "MILFs" a milf is like a woman in maybe her 20s or 30s who happens to have kids but is still HOT.

The LIs in this game that we are talking about, have grown adult children who could easily have young children themselves. They are GRANDMA age at that point. So if you really want to push the argument, it's GILFs not MILFs. I would wager that the overall pool of people who are sexually attracted to women in their 50s & 60s or even older, so much so that they are willing to pay for a game featuring said content no less, is a small pool. If the dev wanted to he could have called the game a struggle with grandmas and hey some people would surely pay a lot of money to support it, but it would be a drop in the ocean compared to the demand for content with somewhat more mainstream appeal LIs.
Bruh says I am not shaming anyone, proceeds to shame again.

These are Milfs, like it or not Emily, Claire, Katherin, Verena are considered as such.
They are still MILFS, below 60, 40 and 30 you are still considered one especially if you don’t have grandsons or don’t show any explicit grandma characteristic.
I hate quoting Wikipedia but even the damn wiki says “MILF pornography (short for mother I'd like/love to fuck) is a genre of in which the actresses are usually women ages 30 to 60, though many actresses have started making this type of at age 25.” ( )
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And I know a wiki link about freaking milf pornography on wikipedia and not a deep dive research cannot mean anything but still the fact that it is recognized, and that the most famous porn actress at 40 or 50 are still considered milfs and not gilfs, supports my statement.

And if you don’t find them hot, it doesn’t fucking matter, if I found an ugly ass bimbo that is everything but hot, she still remains bimbo because that’s the category.
So if it is a personal reference it’s fine, but you are still doing the same “blaaargh ugly Grandma objective point” it’s subjective, “They are at a grandma age” dude even a 38 year old woman or less can be grandma age.

Nyra and Agatha can be considered Gilfs, I give you that tho.

And for the small pool of people wanting milfs like Emily, Claire, Helena and so on it’s also fake in part, sure people are also attracted to the gameplay aspect and the other LIs (Like Mira, Kate, Tia…) but a big chunk of said pool is a milf lover.
Because every time there is a poll or a bonus scene idea, Which patrons can contribute to or straight discuss and invent together (another cat in the bag that was dealt later), The milf option gets ton of votes or is straight out invented.
Emily’s threesome, Claire’s, Nyra’s bonus scenes and so on, were voted by too many patrons (and some created).
And even when in the bonus poll options it wins something else, the milf options was as popular as the NTR one, Ronya’s bonus scene won by a hair first place and guess what was at second place, Claire and Emily’s threesome.

And like it or not Emily, Claire and even Nyra are a big chunk of the mainstream in the fanbase. (And they are main LIs!)
Having a couple of older LIs as potential options makes sense. Having the high ratio of them that we have in this game, and making it forced that you must hook up with them a million times, is a poor business and gamedev decision and there is nothing wrong with me griping about this (and I am far from the first or only person to say it.)
On this one I agree, it was bad game design, Chyos should have known better than forcing some LIs on players, in fact he wanted to make a platonic Emily route in Emily’s pregnancy update, but Patrons preferred that he got straight to the point.
But in the rework these things are going to be reworked, I even talked to him last week, Claire optional no more tied to the cult, no Emily relationship and so on.
And I am not saying you should not gripe on the forced fetish shit, I am saying I disagree completely on some statements of yours.
(Also don’t expect to see less milfs, next on the list are Umah’s mother and Anya’s)
 
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I just want to clarify something. First I am not shaming anyone. Just expressing my preference. But dude these are not "MILFs" a milf is like a woman in maybe her 20s or 30s who happens to have kids but is still HOT.
MILF can easily mean woman in her 40s or even early 50s, the idea that it only refers to women in their 20-30s who have kids is ridiculous. Just look up the popular media usage and you can clearly see that the term is used for women in their 40s and even early 50s.
 

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Ths is a very subjective interpretation... if you wanne check the general definition I strongly sugjest some research...
Please remember this is a middle aged era game the characters are poor even among peasants and the overall life estimation is likely in between 30-40 Years, Emily is in her early 30s (I'd wager 34-36) and Verena might be something between late 20s and early 30s herself (I'd wager 30-31).
I don't know how many people you know or how old the avarage age of said people is but you certainly have an issue with conceiving overall age... not sure what you consider "Mainstream appeal LIs" but games certainly don't host underage characters in this kind of site/market.

Any chracter not living on their own needs Parents... haveing the Option to seduce and date said parents is a kink of it's own and hardly a poor business nor gamedev decision... it's not to YOUR liking... fine but don't try to sell your own taste as general or majority opinion.
Come on now. He obviously threw medieval realism out the window. Did I miss the part where orcs and magic and goblins and all of that existed in medieval times? Did medieval peasants have enough money to have mansions with a separate room for every kid, and a bunch of extra rooms like studies, the way most of the families in the game have? Do you think a lot of women owned and operated their own businesses the way they do in this story? The medieval setting was used loosely as a theme, that's it. There is nothing vaguely realistic about this game, you don't even die you just magically wake up in bed.

The older ladies in question make it a point to repeatedly comment on how they are so much older than the MC and they cannot understand how he would be attracted to them, and it's wrong for them to be interested in someone so much younger than them. It is 100% implied if not stated outright, that they have DECADES on him. Plus just look at them... they are very overweight and have saggy boobs and just their overall appearance is much older than you are suggesting. Their daughters look to be in their 20s... again as you said, they cannot (and should not) be underage, so that means 18-19 bare minimum... and they don't even look that young. The MC also do not look to be a teenager, I would guess he is in his 20s.

You are just stretching it to try to make a point. Verena is in her 20s? Really? Maybe I overshot saying they are 50-60, maybe it's more like 40s-50s but early 30s is an absurd suggestion. Let's also not forget you have to bang the witch to get magic powers, and she is super wrinkly and has a gray bush and the whole 9 yards.

And mainstream appeal = 18-30, fit (not overweight) with a pretty face. The same thing it's been pretty much throughout human history - this is not some deeply personal original idea of mine, if you notice the women throughout history who have been famously attractive were young, fit, and had pretty faces - they weren't middle-aged and heavyset. Note cleopatra, helen of troy, the four beauties of China, etc. I have been all over the world and I have seen a lot of paintings and statues of ancient figures and I can tell you this, the women who are presented as being ravishingly beautiful, the ones people fought wars over and who were accused of manipulating powerful men with their beauty, are pretty much universally young, fit, and pretty. This concept cross all centuries and cultures from what I have seen. But sure act like I'm weird for liking what most men have been into since the dawn of civilization.
 

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MILF can easily mean woman in her 40s or even early 50s, the idea that it only refers to women in their 20-30s who have kids is ridiculous. Just look up the popular media usage and you can clearly see that the term is used for women in their 40s and even early 50s.
in the 50s you have gilfs
 

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who killed bernard its hard to belive its antonio that guys cannot kill a fly but innoccent option is gray
 

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The older ladies in question make it a point to repeatedly comment on how they are so much older than the MC and they cannot understand how he would be attracted to them, and it's wrong for them to be interested in someone so much younger than them. It is 100% implied if not stated outright, that they have DECADES on him. Plus just look at them... they are very overweight and have saggy boobs and just their overall appearance is much older than you are suggesting. Their daughters look to be in their 20s... again as you said, they cannot (and should not) be underage, so that means 18-19 bare minimum... and they don't even look that young. The MC also do not look to be a teenager, I would guess he is in his 20s.
I’ll just answer on this part since I covered that other shit later and you didn’t answer.
It’s of a staple of porn games milfs in general (or milfs at all) that they say “I could even be your mother”, even Bella from Badik says this.
 

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Come on now. He obviously threw medieval realism out the window. Did I miss the part where orcs and magic and goblins and all of that existed in medieval times? Did medieval peasants have enough money to have mansions with a separate room for every kid, and a bunch of extra rooms like studies, the way most of the families in the game have? Do you think a lot of women owned and operated their own businesses the way they do in this story? The medieval setting was used loosely as a theme, that's it. There is nothing vaguely realistic about this game, you don't even die you just magically wake up in bed.
Actually... yes that was quiet common... the only commoner with a big house as you describe used to be Roderick whom is a carpenter and build his own house.
The other villagers inherited the buildings they live in and many are quiet run down on closer inspection... if not for MC rebuilding his and Emilies houses they might have collapsed before long.
Pennys family used to be very rich by owning several hectar farm land... and even if her house looks nice her barn is a pile of wood waiting to collapse.
Even back in middle ages women had to drag their own weigth... and not everyone was married, the game displays the struggles of a single mother quiet well.
The older ladies in question make it a point to repeatedly comment on how they are so much older than the MC and they cannot understand how he would be attracted to them, and it's wrong for them to be interested in someone so much younger than them. It is 100% implied if not stated outright, that they have DECADES on him. Plus just look at them... they are very overweight and have saggy boobs and just their overall appearance is much older than you are suggesting. Their daughters look to be in their 20s... again as you said, they cannot (and should not) be underage, so that means 18-19 bare minimum... and they don't even look that young. The MC also do not look to be a teenager, I would guess he is in his 20s.
So what?
MC is around 19 years old Emily in particular considers herself in the last years/decade of her live.
Claire only makes such comments once you start to date Kate and keeps asking MC why he'd bother with someone like her if he could have her daugther...Verena never says anything like that though.
Mira and Arianna are 18, Frisha is around 21... Penny is likely the same age Pia is around 20 I suppose, Tia is slightly older than MC... and we can't really tell with most of the none human races.
Your point is still lacking any real evidence or backing.
The women are more than a decade older than MC that's true, that doesn't make them GILFs.
Normally they wouldn't have any fancy lingerie or Bras... the fact they have is artistic liberty of the Devs since people like sexy lingerie.
Aside of Gwen or Nyra I wouldn't talk about sacking tits much either... sure they are beyond their prime but they are still sexy.
You are just stretching it to try to make a point. Verena is in her 20s? Really? Maybe I overshot saying they are 50-60, maybe it's more like 40s-50s but early 30s is an absurd suggestion. Let's also not forget you have to bang the witch to get magic powers, and she is super wrinkly and has a gray bush and the whole 9 yards.
Like we said Gwen and Nyra are clearly GILFs so again you only validate our point by failing to make your own.
And mainstream appeal = 18-30, fit (not overweight) with a pretty face. The same thing it's been pretty much throughout human history - this is not some deeply personal original idea of mine, if you notice the women throughout history who have been famously attractive were young, fit, and had pretty faces - they weren't middle-aged and heavyset. Note cleopatra, helen of troy, the four beauties of China, etc. I have been all over the world and I have seen a lot of paintings and statues of ancient figures and I can tell you this, the women who are presented as being ravishingly beautiful, the ones people fought wars over and who were accused of manipulating powerful men with their beauty, are pretty much universally young, fit, and pretty. This concept cross all centuries and cultures from what I have seen. But sure act like I'm weird for liking what most men have been into since the dawn of civilization.
That's not main appeal that is YOUR main appeal... would you direct to your source which confirms that claim?
I doubt you could as that is clearly incorrect and very subjective as repeatedly pointed out.
...Let's take Cleopatra... she was considered the most beautiful women in the roman empire... in her 30s after haveing a son... not to mention Nophretete a women even more beautiful than Cleopatra.
Do people like young women? sure... but do they despise older women or consider them less attractive? hardly... so yeah you are a strange one on that point
 
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Actually... yes that was quiet common... the only commoner with a big house as you describe used to be Roderick whom is a carpenter and build his own house.
The other villagers inherited the buildings they live in and many are quiet run down on closer inspection... if not for MC rebuilding his and Emilies houses they might have collapsed before long.
Pennys family used to be very rich by owning several hectar farm land... and even if her house looks nice her barn is a pile of wood waiting to collapse.
Even back in middle ages women had to drag their own weigth... and not everyone was married, the game displays the struggles of a single mother quiet well.

So what?
MC is around 19 years old Emily in particular considers herself in the last years/decade of her live.
Claire only makes such comments once you start to date Kate and keeps asking MC why he'd bother with someone like her if he could have her daugther...Verena never says anything like that though.
Mira and Arianna are 18, Frisha is around 21... Penny is likely the same age Pia is around 20 I suppose, Tia is slightly older than MC... and we can't really tell with most of the none human races.
Your point is still lacking any real evidence or backing.
The women are more than a decade older than MC that's true, that doesn't make them GILFs.
Normally they wouldn't have any fancy lingerie or Bras... the fact they have is artistic liberty of the Devs since people like sexy lingerie.
Aside of Gwen or Nyra I wouldn't talk about sacking tits much either... sure they are beyond their prime but they are still sexy.

Like we said Gwen and Nyra are clearly GILFs so again you only validate our point by failing to make your own.

That's not main appeal that is YOUR main appeal... would you direct to your source which confirms that claim?
I doubt you could as that is clearly incorrect and very subjective as repeatedly pointed out.
...Let's take Cleopatra... she was considered the most beautiful women in the roman empire... in her 30s after haveing a son... not to mention Nophretete a women even more beautiful than Cleopatra.
Do people like young women? sure... but do they despise older women or consider them less attractive? hardly... so yeah you are a strange one on that point
I mean there is also the bag of cultural beauty and what people found beautiful changed through time and culture, but in western culture it remained kinda the same, although bountiful women (very THICC) are a constant returning in history.
And I am not going to delve into that rabbit hole fuck no, but I just want to underline that some historical milfs had also a giant role into alluring men (shoutout to Ana de Mendoza, no one talks about her)
 
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