RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[Doofy Over Heaven]

Melissa and John are established relatives and incest content isn't allowed on Patreon from what I know, so the likelihood of anything between the two of them is pretty much irrelevant.

It's possible there might be an optional patch but it would still need to be a content update, so I doubt it.

Also there's literally nothing in the game that resembles chemistry between the two of them.

*edit* - before someone comes back with the threesomes involving two related women, that's the only incest we see and it's MC-centric.

Patreon doesnt matter. Literally no developer cares what Patreon has to say, thats just something people say out of habit. Patreon doesnt have some guy in a broom closet downloading porn games and checking them for incest, loli, shota, gore, etc. Patreon ONLY acts on something if its mass flagged and reported. its 2025 and people are still acting like Patreon is this big bad boogeyman thats going to shutdown a creator for even thinking about having incest in their game when in reality Patreon doesnt give 2 flying fucks about it unless its brought to their attention and jammed in their face.

Also if you want to be technical John and Melissa arent even related, secondly its a porn game who cares about chemistry we literally have goblins fucking dwarves, half-orcs and humans, and I could give you more than Kate/Claire and Emily/Frisha/Mira examples of incest but again that doesnt matter because at the end of the day its a porn game by the end of it everyone is going to be getting fucked by someone.

 

[Apartment817]

Patreon doesnt matter. Literally no developer cares what Patreon has to say, thats just something people say out of habit. Patreon doesnt have some guy in a broom closet downloading porn games and checking them for incest, loli, shota, gore, etc. Patreon ONLY acts on something if its mass flagged and reported. its 2025 and people are still acting like Patreon is this big bad boogeyman thats going to shutdown a creator for even thinking about having incest in their game when in reality Patreon doesnt give 2 flying fucks about it unless its brought to their attention and jammed in their face.

Also if you want to be technical John and Melissa arent even related, secondly its a porn game who cares about chemistry we literally have goblins fucking dwarves, half-orcs and humans, and I could give you more than Kate/Claire and Emily/Frisha/Mira examples of incest but again that doesnt matter because at the end of the day its a porn game by the end of it everyone is going to be getting fucked by someone.

Discord, August 2024, the issue arose from Patreon seeing that ASWS had the incest tag her on this forum:

Chyos — 8/12/2024 8:51 AM Monday, August 12, 2024 8:51 AM
I guess the day came... I will contact the support, but I have little hope that the issue can be solved



Chyos — 8/12/2024 9:10 AMMonday, August 12, 2024 9:10 AM
pretty much the same problem as Culture Shock has. I have contacted the F95 staff to remove the incest tag, then I'll contact the patreon staff

Chyos — 8/12/2024 9:48 AMMonday, August 12, 2024 9:48 AM
Well, all messages sent. F95 staff have edited the thread. Now I guess it's time to wait on the patreon staff


Chyos — 8/13/2024 4:12 AMTuesday, August 13, 2024 4:12 AM
ok good news, the patreon page has been restored

" (Please keep in mind that it has to be within the patreon guidelines)" -- Chyos multiple times in the Discord.

 

[Doofy Over Heaven]

Discord, August 2024:

Chyos — 8/12/2024 8:51 AM Monday, August 12, 2024 8:51 AM
I guess the day came... I will contact the support, but I have little hope that the issue can be solved
View attachment 5430504

^That's Chyos's Patreon account being suspended, mostly because ASWS carried an Incest tag on this forum and Patreon saw it.


Chyos — 8/12/2024 9:10 AMMonday, August 12, 2024 9:10 AM
pretty much the same problem as Culture Shock has. I have contacted the F95 staff to remove the incest tag, then I'll contact the patreon staff

Chyos — 8/12/2024 9:48 AMMonday, August 12, 2024 9:48 AM
Well, all messages sent. F95 staff have edited the thread. Now I guess it's time to wait on the patreon staff


Chyos — 8/13/2024 4:12 AMTuesday, August 13, 2024 4:12 AM
ok good news, the patreon page has been restored

This was taken 30 seconds ago.

Patreon only cares about something being brought to their attention, they are not actively hunting. I am pretty sure some salty NTR hater or disgruntled poll voters got mad and did a campaign to get him de-monetized like the losers they are. It happens to alot of devs by salty "fans".

 

[Apartment817]

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This was taken 30 seconds ago.

Patreon only cares about something being brought to their attention, they are not actively hunting. I am pretty sure some salty NTR hater or disgruntled poll voters got mad and did a campaign to get him de-monetized like the losers they are. It happens to alot of devs by salty "fans".

Yep, the tag is there. I hadn't looked.

None the less, Chyos says this in the Discord often:

"(Please keep in mind that it has to be within the patreon guidelines)" usually when talking about possible character avenues.

A year ago, Chyos emailed this forums staff to have the tag removed.

Prudes see Frisha and Emily with the MC as incest, but Frisha and Emily aren't fucking each other.

But Patreon allows that, they don't allow Fathers fucking there Daughters. They just don't. Chyos has stated he wants to follow Patreons guidelines.

 

[Doofy Over Heaven]

Yep, the tag is there. I hadn't looked.

None the less, Chyos says this in the Discord often:

"(Please keep in mind that it has to be within the patreon guidelines)" usually when talking about possible character avenues.

A year ago, Chyos emailed this forums staff to have the tag removed.

Prudes see Frisha and Emily with the MC as incest, but Frisha and Emily aren't fucking each other.

But Patreon allows that, they don't allow Fathers fucking there Daughters. They just don't. Chyos has stated he wants to follow Patreons guidelines.

This isnt anything new, developers have been shirking Patreon for years and in Patreons defense, they dont really care as long as its not brought to their attention with sirens blaring and alerts blasting. Its like those warnings before a game "Are you 18/21+ if not you cant play", devs have to put it in for legal reasons but no one actually cares who is playing that game.

John and Melissa is the same situation as Natasha and Pater and Chyos already lets fathers fuck daughters with Roderic and Arianna. Also bestiality which isnt allowed on Patreon yet still viewable in game.

 

[Silverdragon]

Discord, August 2024, the issue arose from Patreon seeing that ASWS had the incest tag her on this forum:

Chyos — 8/12/2024 8:51 AM Monday, August 12, 2024 8:51 AM
I guess the day came... I will contact the support, but I have little hope that the issue can be solved
View attachment 5430504


Chyos — 8/12/2024 9:10 AMMonday, August 12, 2024 9:10 AM
pretty much the same problem as Culture Shock has. I have contacted the F95 staff to remove the incest tag, then I'll contact the patreon staff

Chyos — 8/12/2024 9:48 AMMonday, August 12, 2024 9:48 AM
Well, all messages sent. F95 staff have edited the thread. Now I guess it's time to wait on the patreon staff


Chyos — 8/13/2024 4:12 AMTuesday, August 13, 2024 4:12 AM
ok good news, the patreon page has been restored

" (Please keep in mind that it has to be within the patreon guidelines)" -- Chyos multiple times in the Discord.

I highly doubt patreon uses a pirate site tag system to determine if one of their users is following the rules. More likely than not, some puritan(s) did a mass report on patreons of games that they did not like, which is usually the whole nsfw gaming industry, and patreon did some bans so they can get a victory and calm down.

This isnt anything new, developers have been shirking Patreon for years and in Patreons defense, they dont really care as long as its not brought to their attention with sirens blaring and alerts blasting. Its like those warnings before a game "Are you 18/21+ if not you cant play", devs have to put it in for legal reasons but no one actually cares who is playing that game.

John and Melissa is the same situation as Natasha and Pater and Chyos already lets fathers fuck daughters with Roderic and Arianna. Also bestiality which isnt allowed on Patreon yet still viewable in game.

The bestiality tag stroke me the wrong way on this game, not because I dislike the content, but because the tag doesn't belong here. A werewolf is a monster. Last time I checked, there is no horse or dog fcking in the game, unless someone wants to give me the good news.

 

[Apartment817]

John and Melissa is the same situation as Natasha and Pater and Chyos already lets fathers fuck daughters with Roderic and Arianna. Also bestiality which isnt allowed on Patreon yet still viewable in game.

Natasha and Pater aren't related.

Roderick doesn't fuck Arianna, they have no scenes together.

No scene in ASWS has a relative fuck another relative. Fuck the MC with another relative, yes, tons. Family fucking each other, zero.

(Except for if you read Marcus's letter a second time.)

What game are you playing?

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Werewolf fucking Arianna requires a fan-made patch.

Arianna changing isn't fucking an animal, it's fucking a human turned into half animal.

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None the less, putting these scenes in does lead to assholes reporting, an avenue Chyos has stated numerous times that he wants to avoid being demonitized.

 

[Apartment817]

I highly doubt patreon uses a pirate site tag system to determine if one of their users is following the rules. More likely than not, some puritan(s) did a mass report on patreons of games that they did not like, which is usually the whole nsfw gaming industry, and patreon did some bans so they can get a victory and calm down.

I did not set out to include F95. When the subject of Chyos not caring about Patreon came up, I just searched the Discord for "From:Chyos Patreon". I had no idea what I would find. I was in fact surprised to find such a strong piece of evidence for my case.

I was playing ASWS in August 2024, and had been. But I wasn't a subscriber until the first of this year.

 

[Silverdragon]

Natasha and Pater aren't related.

Roderick doesn't fuck Arianna, they have no scenes together.

No scene in ASWS has a relative fuck another relative. Fuck the MC with another relative, yes, tons. Family fucking each other, zero.

(Except for if you read Marcus's letter a second time.)

What game are you playing?

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Werewolf fucking Arianna requires a fan-made patch.

Arianna changing isn't fucking an animal, it's fucking a human turned into half animal.

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None the less, putting these scenes in does lead to assholes reporting, an avenue Chyos has stated numerous times that he wants to avoid being demonitized.

Nothing stops another "fan-made" patch to add said content though. Just don't put it anywhere near patreon. This is how many games functioned for years and still function now.

 

[Apartment817]

Nothing stops another "fan-made" patch to add said content though. Just don't put it anywhere near patreon. This is how many games functioned for years and still function now.

No argument there, none.

 

[Silverdragon]

I did not set out to include F95. When the subject of Chyos not caring about Patreon came up, I just searched the Discord for "From:Chyos Patreon". I had no idea what I would find. I was in fact surprised to find such a strong piece of evidence for my case.

I was playing ASWS in August 2024, and had been. But I wasn't a subscriber until the first of this year.

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I can't double check this since I lost my supporter privileges, but it really does not matter what reason Patreon gave Chyos, since my point is that f95 contains so much content unrelated to the devs of the games here, that they would be crazy to distribute punishments to their revenue generating userbase on such shaky evidence, as they would lose a lot of creators that way.

What most likely happened is that a user sent persistent complaints to patreon quoting f95, qnd patreon folded. The incest tag is back. The bestiality tag is still there(even if it should not be), and patreon dgaf, because the content is not shown to be made or hosted on their platform, and that is what matters most to them.

 

[Apartment817]

Germane to the issue at hand, August 17, 2027 status report.

This specifically is worth noting, he deleted the fan fic section from the Discord.

"Since Patreon is so strict with their policys I also decided to remove much of the fansection on the discord to prevent giving them another reason to shut down the page. The fancontent will be linked on my Subscribestar page in the future."

The Ups And Downs Of This Week
Good afternoon,

the title sais it, this week wasn't easy for me.
I have spoken about my concerns about Patreon's guideline changes in March, this week I got a first taste of how that impacts my work.

I wasn't sure if I should write about all this at all, but in the end decided to write it all down. So you may skip the next paragraph, since it doesn't hold info about what I did this week.

For those who didn't notice, the patreon page was suspended on Monday/Tuesday because of a link on the F95 page to this site. After the link got removed by the F95 staff, the patreon page here has been restored.
I still don't get why this was a reason for them to shut down this page, because who knows which other sites out there on the web also link here that I don't have any control over.
I suspect the reason for this is the external image, so that Patreon is not associated with adult creators. For me this of course means less people actually finding the patreon page to support my work on the game.
So as much as all of this stressed me, I still think the patreon page is good for now and they don't have a reason to shut it down. But who can tell what the future brings.
Since Patreon is so strict with their policys I also decided to remove much of the fansection on the discord to prevent giving them another reason to shut down the page. The fancontent will be linked on my Subscribestar page in the future.
All of this has had an impact on my work this week. I was relieved that the site was restored, but the uncertainty about my future has left an unpleasant aftertaste.
I also suffered from headaches since Tuesday. I think I must have dislocated a vertebra in my neck during the night from Monday to Tuesday, because the pain hasn't gotten better until today (despite my physiotherapy appointment yesterday).

Despite all this, I have been trying to work this week (painkillers be praised), but as you can imagine, it hasn't been as efficient as it should have been. I continued to work on the quest and on more pictures for Penny in her new dress. Since she is now supposed to wear them inside the house, it was necessary to replace all existing images and sprites with new ones and to display dialogs with alternative clothes. Of course, this is also a preparation for a future pregnancy update, when I won't have to do this step again.
So while I've made quite a bit of progress with that, unfortunately the whole economic part that I want to build in with the livestock and the new mill has completely fallen by the wayside so far.
I just wasn't able to make the necessary calculation in my current state this week where costs for mercs has to be evened out by profit created when holding the territory southeast of Arenfield.

However, these are essential for the next milestone. I hope that I feel better again after the weekend so that I can reach this point by the end of next week.
But when I think about everything I have planned for the Stonecold mansion, I have doubts that I can make it by the end of the month. I will hopefully finish all the alternative dialog pictures in Penny's house today, after that I'll take some much needed rest.

I'm sorry that these news had a lot of my personal problems in them, I'll patch myself up and will get this done in the coming week.

Thank you for understanding and I wish you all a nice weekend!

And I had another thought about the fan-made patches. Remember Chyos always tells us what he is working on officially, which always follows Patreon's guidelins.

So patches are very unlikely to be by his hand, he doesn't have the time.

 

[Silverdragon]

And I had another thought about the fan-made patches. Remember Chyos always tells us what he is working on officially, which always follows Patreon's guidelins.

It would be crazy if it was any different.

 

[KSBR]

Does anyone know if it is possible to change skill points?

 

[BroembroemBoris]

Does anyone know if it is possible to change skill points?

You can add skillpoints via the cheatbook

 

[Lupiscanis]

Patreon doesnt matter. Literally no developer cares what Patreon has to say, thats just something people say out of habit. Patreon doesnt have some guy in a broom closet downloading porn games and checking them for incest, loli, shota, gore, etc. Patreon ONLY acts on something if its mass flagged and reported. its 2025 and people are still acting like Patreon is this big bad boogeyman thats going to shutdown a creator for even thinking about having incest in their game when in reality Patreon doesnt give 2 flying fucks about it unless its brought to their attention and jammed in their face.

Also if you want to be technical John and Melissa arent even related, secondly its a porn game who cares about chemistry we literally have goblins fucking dwarves, half-orcs and humans, and I could give you more than Kate/Claire and Emily/Frisha/Mira examples of incest but again that doesnt matter because at the end of the day its a porn game by the end of it everyone is going to be getting fucked by someone.

It's already been covered, but yeah, Patreon clearly does matter and it's had an impact before.

 

[pillmill]

Do you guys know if jorge has any scenes with bridget if the demons win and the engagement is still on?

 

[Apartment817]

Do you guys know if jorge has any scenes with bridget if the demons win and the engagement is still on?

Can you take her virginity if she stays engaged to Jorge? How?

You need her step 9 in the walkthrough to get her V, and I don't see how you could do that without ending the engagement and removing Adson from the picture.

Without her virginity, the church wins.

I play Syfa's route, but I haven't ever noticed different paths to it.

 

[franksiinatra]

I found a way around the Katherin bug, you have to use the rpgm cheat menu injector, go to variables or switches, changed Gurtak dead/witched or whatever to false so everything is false, after you go to rumah and kill the orcs, run back to his camp, speak to him, beat him, then when he's down kill him/witch him again and you're good to go

 

[Silverdragon]

I found a way around the Katherin bug, you have to use the rpgm cheat menu injector, go to variables or switches, changed Gurtak dead/witched or whatever to false so everything is false, after you go to rumah and kill the orcs, run back to his camp, speak to him, beat him, then when he's down kill him/witch him again and you're good to go

What Katheryn bug?