RPGM A Struggle with Sin [v0.6.1.1b] [Chyos]

[ilsc69]

well strange that MC cant take verena and claire to bath or invite them to bed so on instead of fucking them near the shop.

Wait till we can marry them both as well I guess. And move/invite them to our own house. I hope that can be done with all women. And we upgrade our home to a castle siding the hill as natural barrier behind it! Emily's house + MC home area. Or maybe on top of that hill behind the Khaterine's hut a new path.

I want to be king in the game now! Killing off both idiot kings. We are going to be king of the Goblins and Orcs soon already.

 

[gabriel12345621]

interesting....wait until completed

At the rate he's going, he might finish it by 2050.

 

[Apartment817]

At the rate he's going, he might finish it by 2050.

What have you ever created? 2050 beats your never.

 

[Officer Doofy]

Do you read any of the dialogue? That would total break all of John's dialogue. Remember how John wouldn't even let the MC talk to Melissa? Them fucking would make neither character make any sense. How exactly would the MC's cum corrupt John?

Do you know about Marcus's letter? (Patreon and banks rules, letter is one thing, programed CG's in the data is another.)

There are a million reasons as to why John will never be fooling around with his daughter, It's just not going to happen.

Melissa's NTR is with the jokers behind the house, not with the guy that is worried about raising his daughter right.

If you think Chyos draws the line at family then clearly you havent been playing the same game as me. So far we got mother/daughter, sister/brother and father/daughter.

It doesnt matter how noble your intentions are, the game is called "Struggle with Sin", its about corruption and lust, anyone can succumb to that. Isha's entire life goal is to showcase that.

John is just a man, overworked at the smithy, used to partake in debauched parties with Girons Father and may or may not have something to due with a demonic sex cult in Arenfield.

When a sexy ass girl in heat starts pleasuring herself in front of you or hops on your crotch in the middle of the night, you arent going to rationalize the process you are going to get a boner and will be at the mercy of HER discretion. I can 100% see Melissa getting corrupted enough to the point where she starts to tease John as a way to cheer him up for Agnes and all the support he gave Melissa over the years.

 

[ilsc69]

What have you ever created? 2050 beats your never.

Was going to say same Hahaha

 

[gabriel12345621]

He has one already living there.

He can invite Julia, Mira and Emily.

She only masturbates in front of the MC in the bath tub, but she can be invited to.

Who told you that you were owed anything anyway?

Personally, as a subscriber, I would rather Chyos programs more LI's in new locations as opposed to more LI's in the MC's home.

Your upset is comical.

Personally I think that unless I am allowed to invite your mom over to the MC's house, the developer is a huge piece of poop. Who does he think he is making the game the best way he knows how? I should be in charge of all decisions, no reason why, just because I demand it. /s

But there are a lot more, for example, Katy, tia, Candy, and many more. That's to justify the expense she's made on the house; it has to have a purpose. So many rooms, you know? To me, it's like she's just killing time with all those extras.

 

[ilsc69]

If you think Chyos draws the line at family then clearly you havent been playing the same game as me. So far we got mother/daughter, sister/brother and father/daughter.

It doesnt matter how noble your intentions are, the game is called "Struggle with Sin", its about corruption and lust, anyone can succumb to that. Isha's entire life goal is to showcase that.

John is just a man, overworked at the smithy, used to partake in debauched parties with Girons Father and may or may not have something to due with a demonic sex cult in Arenfield.

When a sexy ass girl in heat starts pleasuring herself in front of you or hops on your crotch in the middle of the night, you arent going to rationalize the process you are going to get a boner and will be at the mercy of HER discretion. I can 100% see Melissa getting corrupted enough to the point where she starts to tease John as a way to cheer him up for Agnes and all the support he gave Melissa over the years.

You are clearly missing the point.

John is all for protecting her, his daughter in all situations he is worried about. The creator Chyos haven't wrote a single thing in his dialogues to reflect any of that. What you are signaling at

John don't want it with his daughter he might have a thing for Emily etc anyone else in entire game. But so far not for his own daughter. John maybe kind of like me. I don't want to cross those lines ever, no matter the cost. I would rather be killed outright instead than cross that line.

 

[Apartment817]

If you think Chyos draws the line at family then clearly you havent been playing the same game as me. So far we got mother/daughter, sister/brother and father/daughter.

It doesnt matter how noble your intentions are, the game is called "Struggle with Sin", its about corruption and lust, anyone can succumb to that. Isha's entire life goal is to showcase that.

John is just a man, overworked at the smithy, used to partake in debauched parties with Girons Father and may or may not have something to due with a demonic sex cult in Arenfield.

When a sexy ass girl in heat starts pleasuring herself in front of you or hops on your crotch in the middle of the night, you arent going to rationalize the process you are going to get a boner and will be at the mercy of HER discretion. I can 100% see Melissa getting corrupted enough to the point where she starts to tease John as a way to cheer him up for Agnes and all the support he gave Melissa over the years.

Pipe dream. I wish I got bet a large amount of money with you on it.

Giron and Julia? Sure, Chyos has written Giron in such a manner.

John? No it would completely break his entire character.

You obviously don't care for story, that's fine, I skip tons of dialogue, but there are folks out there that care most about the story.

Not to mention you are talking about a lot of coding only available to a small niche of people, NTR in ASWS is built in such a way that it can be either be the MC or the other, in your scenario's there isn't a way for Melissa's scene to be with the MC.

 

[Officer Doofy]

You are clearly missing the point.

John is all for protecting her, his daughter in all situations he is worried about. The creator Chyos haven't wrote a single thing in his dialogues to reflect any of that. What you are signaling at

John don't want it with his daughter he might have a thing for Emily etc anyone else in entire game. But so far not for his own daughter. John maybe kind of like me. I don't want to cross those lines ever, no matter the cost. I would rather be killed outright instead than cross that line.

You are missing my point.

Lust & Corruption are central factors of this game. John can be the kindest man in the world but lust and corruption can twist that into perversion. We also dont even know Johns full story so WE dont even really know who he is yet.

You cant just assume someone wont do something because of familial relations, I have already provided examples that those ties mean nothing in this setting and game. You are a human, John is a fictional character in a world of magic and demons, cultists and orcs. Stop comparing yourself.

Pipe dream. I wish I got bet a large amount of money with you on it.

Giron and Julia? Sure, Chyos has written Giron in such a manner.

John? No it would completely break his entire character.

You obviously don't care for story, that's fine, I skip tons of dialogue, but there are folks out there that care most about the story.

Not to mention you are talking about a lot of coding only available to a small niche of people, NTR in ASWS is built in such a way that it can be either be the MC or the other, in your scenario's there isn't a way for Melissa's scene to be with the MC.

Tia can literally go from Orc Vengeance to Orc Slut. Emily can go from motherly matriarch to depraved step-mom getting it on with her recently deceased lovers' son.

"Break his character" lol, the game is designed around people not having defined characters, everyone is evolving due to the agency of the MC and Isha.

You obviously dont understand the story or how narratives work. I dont skip ANY dialogue because its an engaging world and a great premise.

Babble about coding means nothing, everything in this game comes from fan wants and polls. NTR is meant as either a punishment, a side-effect of corruption or a want of the MC. No offense but you just dont know what you are talking about.

 

[Apartment817]

You are missing my point.

Lust & Corruption are central factors of this game. John can be the kindest man in the world but lust and corruption can twist that into perversion. We also dont even know Johns full story so WE dont even really know who he is yet.

You cant just assume someone wont do something because of familial relations, I have already provided examples that those ties mean nothing in this setting and game. You are a human, John is a fictional character in a world of magic and demons, cultists and orcs. Stop comparing yourself.

Tia can literally go from Orc Vengeance to Orc Slut. Emily can go from motherly matriarch to depraved step-mom getting it on with her recently deceased lovers' son.

"Break his character" lol, the game is designed around people not having defined characters, everyone is evolving due to the agency of the MC and Isha.

You obviously dont understand the story or how narratives work. I dont skip ANY dialogue because its an engaging world and a great premise.

Babble about coding means nothing, everything in this game comes from fan wants and polls. NTR is meant as either a punishment, a side-effect of corruption or a want of the MC. No offense but you just dont know what you are talking about.

Any of the evolutions that happen in the game are normal character arcs. John and Melissa are not.

Your desire to see the scene has completely dissolved your logic.

 

[Apartment817]

We will just have to agree to disagree, no point flooding the thread with this opinionated back and forth.

If Chyos was going to include a scene with a father fucking a daughter, he wouldn't start with the least believable pair. It lends itself to heavy criticism of the entire game.

 

[Officer Doofy]

If Chyos was going to include a scene with a father fucking a daughter, he wouldn't start with the least believable pair. It lends itself to heavy criticism of the entire game.

If you want to continue this back and forth feel free to msg me, I dont want to clog the thread and end up having everything deleted by mods.

 

[Apartment817]

If you want to continue this back and forth feel free to msg me, I dont want to clog the thread and end up having everything deleted by mods.

Talking about clogging, yet you had to have one more word. You got the first one, I'll get the last one. That's an equal amount of posts.

It's a dumb theory that makes no sense, haven't this chain of comments deleted is not something that worries me.

 

[ilsc69]

You are missing my point.

Lust & Corruption are central factors of this game. John can be the kindest man in the world but lust and corruption can twist that into perversion. We also dont even know Johns full story so WE dont even really know who he is yet.

You cant just assume someone wont do something because of familial relations, I have already provided examples that those ties mean nothing in this setting and game. You are a human, John is a fictional character in a world of magic and demons, cultists and orcs. Stop comparing yourself.

Tia can literally go from Orc Vengeance to Orc Slut. Emily can go from motherly matriarch to depraved step-mom getting it on with her recently deceased lovers' son.

"Break his character" lol, the game is designed around people not having defined characters, everyone is evolving due to the agency of the MC and Isha.

You obviously dont understand the story or how narratives work. I dont skip ANY dialogue because its an engaging world and a great premise.

Babble about coding means nothing, everything in this game comes from fan wants and polls. NTR is meant as either a punishment, a side-effect of corruption or a want of the MC. No offense but you just dont know what you are talking about.

You really don't understand story writing nor character development or history of character do you?
Let's see the letter talking about Giron's father and talking about John defined how John was. Yes they had swing with prostitutes or whatever it was. Giron's father was concerned for his son and what is he doing, directing at involvements towards the cult and demons(unknown to him). John constantly worried about safety and care for his daughter, teaching her the best of things so she would never be bad. Him testing MC to be worthy enough to marry her and never leave her same way it was done to her mother before.

Which part of you can corrupt that level of conviction where a character willingly leave all bad stuff without anyone telling them but sheer self realisation just to be absorbed back into it? The only way would be to mind control the person where his own self is no more to do the things you want. As far as corruption of Isthar goes, she only brings it out the lust side. She don't create something out of nothing in story telling already. MC who the women fall in love and are bound to him due to corruption is the one controlling them afterwards they trust you and obey you that's why those things happened you lead them to it, or you lose and untamed corruption in women's mind are lost to others without you defending them as well because of inaction. Not a single point where MC controls men like that. You can send the women to their doom NTR or whatever you want. John won't do it because of you. John might kill her or someone like that. That's how a character John is written.

Every other person you have seen in the game have no such strength as character as John have been portrayed so far.

Also every single story that you have ever read in your whole life are made out of observing a real human behaviour or changes to real thing seen. You cannot create something which is devoid of relating to humans. It's explicit inheritence to characters and stories, some relation to reality will exist and relation to it will be compared. You are asking for mathematical equations otherwise not stories or any human behaviour what so ever.

Babble about coding?


If your coding regime is no dynamic and you wrote thousands of lines of code and later you have to go change few variables every now and then that means you are wasting time doing something which should have been made since day one. It ruins the motivation, it ruins the flow of work and sometimes people abandon someone because they don't have the will to change so many things for so little gains sometimes.

Why I am saying this? Because I am professionally trained person in computer science. These devs are not, they have stories in their minds to share through games. I can work better than them but when it comes to stories I would be lost. As they are lost in learning to code and rewriting stuff all the time.

Stories I might never even finish. The game I can code in less time than any new dev here by 1/10 the time it took them for whole game to be finished. But I don't have anything to give in terms of story or graphics.


That babble about coding that you say is real concern for these devs because of them not able to code in timely manner and lossing self due to many things related to that. So many projects are abandoned in this very websit'es forums because of programming issues.

 

[Officer Doofy]

You really don't understand story writing nor character development or history of character do you?
Let's see the letter talking about Giron's father and talking about John defined how John was. Yes they had swing with prostitutes or whatever it was. Giron's father was concerned for his son and what is he doing, directing at involvements towards the cult and demons(unknown to him). John constantly worried about safety and care for his daughter, teaching her the best of things so she would never be bad. Him testing MC to be worthy enough to marry her and never leave her same way it was done to her mother before.

The letter has nothing to do with John besides giving us a glimpse of how he acted in his youth. Further to that point about who people was, that letter painted Girons father as an elitist snob who couldnt stand the fact that Giron wanted to love a non-noble woman. Girons father was kind of a douchebag and its not hard to see why Giron turned out the way he did because of that. John is the sterotypical set in his ways old guy who partied hard when he was younger but likes to lecture others on how to behave. There is no real complexity here. Now with that being said, we still dont know Johns FULL story so maybe his character can be expanded upon later with Melissas/Crow story, we only just got info in Agnes and his actual relationship with Melissa.

Which part of you can corrupt that level of conviction where a character willingly leave all bad stuff without anyone telling them but sheer self realisation just to be absorbed back into it? The only way would be to mind control the person where his own self is no more to do the things you want. As far as corruption of Isthar goes, she only brings it out the lust side. She don't create something out of nothing in story telling already. MC who the women fall in love and are bound to him due to corruption is the one controlling them afterwards they trust you and obey you that's why those things happened you lead them to it, or you lose and untamed corruption in women's mind are lost to others without you defending them as well because of inaction. Not a single point where MC controls men like that. You can send the women to their doom NTR or whatever you want. John won't do it because of you. John might kill her or someone like that. That's how a character John is written.

I am guessing you just didnt do Melissas quest or you intentionally chose to leave out the Chalice. An artifact of magical power that literally grants immortality, control over the mind and corruption on a level equal to or greater than Isha. Also it happens to be introduced in Melissas story...Johns "Daughter". There is also the cultists, who we still dont have a full accounting on so for you to act as if you know Johns character when we literally dont even have the full picture of him yet is premature and wrong on your part.

Every other person you have seen in the game have no such strength as character as John have been portrayed so far.

Also every single story that you have ever read in your whole life are made out of observing a real human behaviour or changes to real thing seen. You cannot create something which is devoid of relating to humans. It's explicit inheritence to characters and stories, some relation to reality will exist and relation to it will be compared. You are asking for mathematical equations otherwise not stories or any human behaviour what so ever.

Once again, you are just speculating without all the evidence and information. You need to get the full picture to definitively say any of that about John and so far all you have is a few conversation at dinner.

Babble about coding?


If your coding regime is no dynamic and you wrote thousands of lines of code and later you have to go change few variables every now and then that means you are wasting time doing something which should have been made since day one. It ruins the motivation, it ruins the flow of work and sometimes people abandon someone because they don't have the will to change so many things for so little gains sometimes.

Why I am saying this? Because I am professionally trained person in computer science. These devs are not, they have stories in their minds to share through games. I can work better than them but when it comes to stories I would be lost. As they are lost in learning to code and rewriting stuff all the time.

Stories I might never even finish. The game I can code in less time than any new dev here by 1/10 the time it took them for whole game to be finished. But I don't have anything to give in terms of story or graphics.


That babble about coding that you say is real concern for these devs because of them not able to code in timely manner and lossing self due to many things related to that. So many projects are abandoned in this very websit'es forums because of programming issues.

I dont know why you went off on this tangent. The point about coding was that someone is arguing the developer cant go back or in the future add scenes for characters that are already in the game...lol, thats just factually stupid and wrong. We literally are getting new scenes with old characters all the time and the developer reworks older content often.

I dont get why you needed to rant about that when it has nothing to do with what was said by the other person. Seems like something got lost in translation for you.

 

[Apartment817]

If you want to continue this back and forth feel free to msg me, I dont want to clog the thread and end up having everything deleted by mods.

It is hilarious to me that you have so much trouble concerning believable narratives, since you know, you say what you said quoted above, then come back with five paragraphs on the subject.

Except it is in your character, in what little we know of it, to go back and forth. Your trying to get the last word with "clogging the forums" is clearly a lie, hoping that it would end it, so your logic isn't at question.

It's not in John's character to completely flip his core beliefs. Melissa has been hot since before she came back to John's, everything John has said in the game has been with a hot daughter. But you are suggesting Chyos throws out all of that, because... he has dick and his daugher is hot? But that was true at the begging of the narrative.

Giron and Julia don't have those hurdles. Roderick and Arianna don't have those hurdles. Abraham easily could have had a daughter.

 

[Officer Doofy]

It is hilarious to me that you have so much trouble concerning believable narratives, since you know, you say what you said quoted above, then come back with five paragraphs on the subject.

Except it is in your character, in what little we know of it, to go back and forth. Your trying to get the last word with "clogging the forums" is clearly a lie, hoping that it would end it, so your logic isn't at question.

It's not in John's character to completely flip his core beliefs. Melissa has been hot since before she came back to John's, everything John has said in the game has been with a hot daughter. But you are suggesting Chyos throws out all of that, because... he has dick and his daugher is hot? But that was true at the begging of the narrative.

Giron and Julia don't have those hurdles. Roderick and Arianna don't have those hurdles. Abraham easily could have had a daughter.

I already explained the core themes of the game and the conditions behind corruption and the setting, if you want to choose to ignore what I said just to keep arguing your point, feel free.

 

[Daastaan007]

No Android port yet?

 

[Apartment817]

I already explained the core themes of the game and the conditions behind corruption and the setting, if you want to choose to ignore what I said just to keep arguing your point, feel free.

No, you absolutely did not explain anything about how John's core personality, hopes and dreams could be completely erased just because his daughter climbed into his bed.

Do you think that is how humans work? That if their daughters just climbed into their beds when they are stressed and lonely, they fuck away, just because?

That's a major hurdle to surpass logically, you have done zero to explain John's motivations for that kind of change.

It's sloppy, but you just rely on the MC's cum to cover over the believability in why Melissa would do it. I will grant you, you could have a believable story on Melissa's end. But it completely falls apart as a narrative with John, you haven't addressed that at all. Except, he is horny, stressed and lonely. There millions of horny, stressed and lonely men out there tonight not fucking their daughters.

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After ASWS, Peasant's Quest is my second favorite H-game in development, in it you have a daughter with a succubus. Then you fuck your daughter who gives birth to a familiar that helps you in battles. Of course you fuck your familiar, (granddaughter) who also gives birth to little imps.

I offer this not only to show that I am not taking issue because father / daughter, in PQ this narrative follows a logic. A logic not present in your story of John.

 

[Apartment817]

No Android port yet?

Chyos doesn't have plans to make one, he has talked about it being playable on an emulator. Since it works with an emulator, I don't think there is too much motivation to make a port.

(I play on PC.)