Sturbuck

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Why the hell are you comparing a male protag game like BB to AWAM? There is still the Sam, Ellie, and Patricia routes, that are nothing like BB. Even if you self-insert into one of the major characters instead of the MC, in AWAM you can still choose between male and female, incest or non-incest, in each and every combination.

I've played BB, and Glamour, and this is orders of magnitude better than both.
I think you had a hard time getting the point, would you plase read it again. I am talking about the similarities between two games either male protag or female protag. I m talking about the similatities between Dylan and Sophia vs Max and Ann. Actually what I was talking about not only the similarities and also the period of corrupting two mothers. The bottom line (MY POINT OF VIEW!!) when the corrupting period extends you get more staisfaction when you achieve your goal. I mean the harder the better. Lastly I cant understand why people try to misunderstand each other in this form. You might not agree with me but everyone please read carefully what just people try to say here.
 
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I think you had a hard time getting the point, would you plase read it again. I am talking about the similarities between two games either male protag or female protag. I m talking about the similatities between Sam and Sophia vs Max and Ann. Actually what I was talking about not only the similarities and also the period of corrupting two mothers. The bottom line (MY POINT OF VIEW!!) when the corrupting period extends you get more staisfaction when you achieve your goal. I mean the harder the better. Lastly I cant understand why people try to misunderstand each other in this form. You might not agree with me but everyone please read carefully what just people try to say here.
No, I understood your point. My counter-point though, is that the difficulty in achieving the end goal that you mention, as usual, only really makes sense from a straight, or straight/incest POV. From what I understand of the Sam route, is that the challenge is that Sophia is a married woman, and currently Sam isn't willing to cross that line.

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I agree with your point of view that it will be very satisfying when Sophia finaly crosses the line with one of the major characters and certain mini characters,it will be worth the wait.You could see this in the forum comments when Sophia finaly made out with Ellie in the shower or the Ellie/julia/Sophia event of the last update.
I have never played BB so I cannot comment on that.
If you ever going to play BB, I hope you like spiders.... and catching them.:)
 
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You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Damn!!!! That movie quote hits hard for everyone currently alive......Christopher Nolan's Batman Trilogy was a masterpiece of comic book storytelling.....and left all of us with life lessons in viewing the trials and tribulations of this life......

Dylan needs to understand that life is a struggle, and Aiden and his teen-age wannabe thugs are just obstacles that needs to be overcome.......Only Johnny Lawrence and John Kreese have the answer for him........ “Strike first. Strike hard. No mercy.”
YES SENSEI!!!!:mad:
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
 
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I keep getting an error after Dylan fixes his sisters computer and then it goes to Sophia at the grocery store and it has and error. Not sure how to get past it?
 

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One of the things I like best about L&P is how he treats the background of the game. Nonessential characters aren't depicted as faceless mannequins (like in Milfy City) or the same stock images used over and over again. He details them just as much as the main characters and makes each unique whether it's random beach goers, people passing on the sidewalk or work employees. This gives the feeling that the world in the game is truly inhabited by more than just the focal characters. Also he really goes all out in furnishing the interior of buildings too. From furniture and set pieces to little things like food items and wall pictures. All are given in great detail. The characters watch a TV show? It's stills from a real TV show. Playing video games? Stills from a real video game. He doesn't just write a good story he makes every visual element count as well.
 

Lord_Xanatos

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So we understand that Aiden is not the biggest asshole :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
He still IS the biggest asshole, he took advantage of both Sophia & Dylan for his own benefit. Dylan was just very very stupid for making the deal and not foreseeing that it would backfire at him from someone like Aiden, stupid...yes, an asshole? no. He does have a lot of thinking and work to do to redeem himself to Sophia in the boarding school branch and I think it's possible.

In the Self-defense lessons, he is training but he is still unaware of Aiden's deception so maybe when he finds out the truth too, just as Sophia, he will eventually put a stop to Aiden and defend Sophia. Yes, I know it was by his own making and it was very very stupid and a shitty thing to do in order to boost Sophia's confidence in dressing sexy again as her sister was urging her to do and she used to, and at her age for still being liked by younger people for a woman of her age and be called a MILF. Bennet and Aiden still remain the assholes of the game because of what they do and the intentions behind doing it compared to Dylan's.
 
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Holy Bacchus

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lol I didn't realize this was a trope of porn games. It wasn't like he was constantly doing it every chance he gets since the game began. The creator could have given Dylan plenty of options to do it right from the get go since the parents bathroom door had no lock so he obviously didn't fall into that trope. Also you are given the option of having Dylan not go through with it, so if you don't like it you can choose to ignore it.
And yet if you play from Sophia's POV (which is the better one because she's the MC, not Dylan), he clearly does spy on them and there's no way to stop it.

Well when would you like her to experiment with a dildo? It looks like she did just that with the sybian. You're saying she has to use a dildo first before a sybian? She has been shown to masturbate a few times with her hand so why would it be against reason for her to finally decide to try and up her game with someone she connects with and trusts? Again the option exists for you to not have her do it so I don't see the problem you're having with it.
It just doesn't fit with what seemed to be the theme of gradual progression. Sophia has been opening up slowly to new things and new experiences, but this rushes in to a pretty huge one.

Sophia has met with Alyssa all of 4 times by this point (at the house to pick up Dylan, having coffee with her, seeing her at the football/soccer match, and seeing her in her own apartment), and that's enough to build a strong enough connection such that she's willing to sit on the masturbation machine of someone who she is still getting to know? Yeah, it can be avoided, but it still skips several key steps like meeting with Alyssa a few more times to really show their connection building, and seeing Sophia's growing sexual frustration to the point where she buys a dildo or even uses one of Ellie's since she knows she has them.

Maybe if this event had involved Sophia and Alyssa going in to a sex shop and Alyssa encouraging her to buy something for herself, that would have been better because at least it out Sophia into a better mindset to try something like a sybian at a later date, but what we got in this event was too quick a progression for someone who is still very prudish.

Your opinion about AWAM can go as low as you want! )) This is your personal problem!

You get mad at the L&P because it turns out to be more interesting than you thought it was.

You have the right to have your own opinion, but the story of the mother/son is just unfolding, and you, as the majority, were rushing to conclusions.

Take your time with your assessments, L&P is not as simple as most people think.
The Dylan twist is not "interesting", it's horseshit. This is "Rey is a Palpatine" level bullshit because it destroys everything you thought you knew about a character for seemingly no other reason than to create unnecessary drama.

"Good intentions", "made a mistake", "didn't think of the consequences", none of these excuses can truly excuse what is a terrible plot twist that utterly destroys Dylan's character and the mother/son relationship. It's honestly worse than all those typical porn games where the son uses blatant and overt manipulation on his mother because this is completely unnecessary manipulation done in the worst possible manner that has caused one of the worst subplots in the game.

I actually thought we were, for once, going to get a nice story of actual genuine romance building between a mother and son because that's certainly how it felt most of the time, but L&P just went and fucked it with this "jumping the shark" crap.

Moreover, it is not yet very clear, but Zach is not in the best light! So he is a witness that Ayden is moving much further than Dylan wanted.

But I'm much more interested in how Sofia will continue to behave?

Her first reaction would be anger, but what happened alarmed her and piqued her interest in Zach and the boys in general.

Realizing that her sexual desires are the fruit of Dylan's influence, she may wish to thank him in some special way ...

There are many options. I will just repeat my opinion that L&P is not as simple and stupid as many people think, considering that it delays the process. And the thing is that the story is really complicated and confusing! Otherwise, it would not be interesting to us, or at least interesting, but not for long!
Sophia will one day thank Dylan for getting the little shitstain Aiden to make her do all sorts of slutty and depraved things because it made her realise that she has the hots for a teenage boy? :WaitWhat:

I've seen some pretty ridiculous justifications for this shitty plot twist, but this really takes the cake. :rolleyes:
 

Lord_Xanatos

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Sam<----??????? wants to cross the line (he feels his mom ass on the swing, kisses his mother on the lips and pretends like accidental or request his mother show her pubic line and faps in front of her mother in the booth) but his mother s so strict on family values (may be it s because she s married like you said) and not corrupted enough what s more her corruption really takes time almost 3 years. She show some progression on lesbian affairs but in straight /incest relations moving slowly forward.
You're talking about Dylan, NOT Amber's son, the neighbor, you're mixing the names.

Lesbianism has always been simpler and thus quicker than straight incest or non-incest relationships because it's between women, there's already that natural...trust, I think, between them since they both have and can see each other naked easier than between a man and a woman. So it makes sense that when it comes to straight incest or non-incest, things move slower and can be more challenging and, for me, more worth the wait and the journey.
 

Holy Bacchus

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I was going to stay out of this but what the heck.
There are hints in the game that Dylan feels like his mother is having a midlife crisis,feels old unloved,unwanted.
One example is the fashion bikini show
I also have some Morello thoughts as well,just to annoy some people
The bikini fashion show, going shopping with her, bringing her breakfast in bed, all things that are far better for lifiting her spirits and making her feel loved than asking hoodlum Aiden to blackmail her into wearing skimpy outfits, thereby proving that Dylan has the good sense to know what the RIGHT things are to help his mother out of a perceived funk.

So this whole Aiden fake blackmail makes absolutely no fucking sense!
 

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Dylan : a 18 virgin boy who never even kissed a girl, going full retard when he wants to talk to one . Doesn’t understand women and ask his mom for advice. So inept in man/woman interactions that he’s is genuinely surprised and disappointed when his mother doesn’t accept his request of her showing him her boobs. Seems to come from a separate dimension where there’s no woman..../// Also Dylan : A 18 year old teenager, master of psychology in womanology , recognizing the pattern of a mild life crisis of a 37 years old by her mood, gestures and subtitles hints . Enables a plan to make her regain confidence in her beauty, attractiveness and self worth. Having her dressed more sexy in front of teenager (yes he even deducted her preferences in younger people. He is that good)
 
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Sturbuck

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You're talking about Dylan, NOT Amber's son, the neighbor, you're mixing the names.

Lesbianism has always been simpler and thus quicker than straight incest or non-incest relationships because it's between women, there's already that natural...trust, I think, between them since they both have and can see each other naked easier than between a man and a woman. So it makes sense that when it comes to straight incest or non-incest, things move slower and can be more challenging and, for me, more worth the wait and the journey.
Thanks for the warning. I always confuse names. I ve deleted my post on the other hand I agree with all you said.
 

Lord_Xanatos

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My thoughts on Morello
Concerning Morello. He seems like a kind, generous person who lives by a strict moral code of loyalty to friends and, above all, family. He could be a traditionalist who demands respect commensurate with his status.
He showed respect to Sophia and her children but showed distain to Liam for putting the family in this situation,family loyalty.
Since Morello is married(?) and if he does live by this loyalty code(?) noting will happen between Sophia/Morello.
It would seem that he is just doing a favour his brother since he never ratted out the family when he was sent to jail.
Is there a catch we will have to wait and see but has the catch more to do with brother than morello since Morello is supposed to live by such a high code.
Funnily enough, I never disliked Morello's character and I thought he wouldn't mess up with Sophia because while he compliments her the first time, he did it with respect and that's why I choose for Sophia to reply in kind.

Now that I know that he is married and as you said living with a code of honor I also like the character, he values loyalty, he is there for his brother, he treats women with respect, he is a man of honor. Yeah, he found dishonorable what Liam did putting his family at risk and owing all that money, so the disdain is well-founded.

I'm okay if nothing will ever happen between Morello & Sophia, maybe compliments or banter but nothing beyond that. I wonder if he could help Sophia dealing with Aiden's uncle, to block him from helping Aiden so they could have a fair fight against Aiden.

Cares for his brother which is always good, sibling alliance it's better than sibling rivalry and animosity. I do still wonder if one visit will be enough for Morello's brother to be satisfied and the debt will be settled OR if it's not going to be that easy nor that fast and if she'll have another thing to do, maybe another visit or something else in order to settle the debt. We'll see...
 
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