VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[GingerSweetGirl]

If we're right about Dylan being the last to have their chance with Sophia, then I'm not sure there'll be time within the game for Patricia to do anything about it, besides perhaps give Sophia a place to stay. Unless there's an AWAM 2.

But I completely agree with the idea of what you're saying. If anything, I think Patricia is the one with Sophia's best interest at heart on the Filthy route, which is why I incorporate her into my walkthrough even if it's focused on the Ellie route. Patricia is encouraging Sophia to go out and have fun, but not to cheat. Patricia and Carl have established rules, which allow her to fool around with boys like Jason and Haru, and Carl doesn't need to know or care, and as long as no dick but his enters Patricia's pussy, he doesn't consider it cheating. He's safe knowing adultery isn't going on.

Which is entirely different from the relationship Sophia has with Liam. I still think (while I don't really have the evidence to support it) that the reason Liam has a gambling addiction is the fear that Sophia will leave him for a richer man like Carl. Or one of the Morellos. The reason he neglects her and works long hours is to earn the money so she wont leave him. Which ironically might be the reason she leaves him.

As I envision it, Sophia sleeping with Dylan wouldn't literally be the last thing in the game, but it would be the climax (no pun intended), and in stories the climax actually comes sometime around the penultimate episode. Other things can happen after the climax of the narrative, so there does need to be some time to wrap the story up. Sophia may have sex with other characters in this time, and that may include additional encounters with Dylan. As I see it, that first time having full intercourse with Dylan will happen sometime between playable day 24 and 27. But the build up will really begin to gather momentum sometime after day 17 (or thereabouts), so maybe the first blowjob is on day 19. Once they do have full intercourse, there needs to be time afterwards for the ramifications to sink in, and for Sophia to make a decision on how she wants to move forward with this new relationship.

So with that in mind, any attempted course correction from Patricia would need to be structure around this. It could be one of those things where it's an ongoing, deepening, worry for Patricia. Maybe something like Patricia begins to get worried starting around playable day 17. Then, by playable day 20 she's deeply worried, and her first attempts at course correction take place. By day 23, she see's that things are really spinning out of control and makes an urgent appeal to Sophia to stop. By this point maybe Patricia has ceased any affair she's having with Sophia. I can see one final attempt from Patricia post Sophia/Dylan's first time having sex, where she gives Sophia an ultimatum to either stop and salvage something of her life, or Patricia and Carl have to cut her out of their lives.

 

[Captain Bipto]

You completely missed my point. Of course there are people that would consider themselves Team Dylan. Same as there are people that would consider themselves Team Sam, or Team Aiden, or Team Mr Murray.

But it appears at the moment that none of them are willing to outright say it with their signature.

I see no support for your teams other than a couple of your sigs. Where is your so called Team Sam, Team Aiden and Bill Murray support, all I see is TEAM DYLAN, 30 strong and in the lead

The whole purpose of this game, from day 1 in the car, is a lead up to Sophia having sex with Dylan. Argue all you want. But it's in the title and teased from day 1. And, it's what most of the players are waiting for.
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AM I RIGHT, TEAM DYLAN?

 

[Bane71]

As I envision it, Sophia sleeping with Dylan wouldn't literally be the last thing in the game, but it would be the climax (no pun intended), and in stories the climax actually comes sometime around the penultimate episode. Other things can happen after the climax of the narrative, so there does need to be some time to wrap the story up. Sophia may have sex with other characters in this time, and that may include additional encounters with Dylan. As I see it, that first time having full intercourse with Dylan will happen sometime between playable day 24 and 27. But the build up will really begin to gather momentum sometime after day 17 (or thereabouts), so maybe the first blowjob is on day 19. Once they do have full intercourse, there needs to be time afterwards for the ramifications to sink in, and for Sophia to make a decision on how she wants to move forward with this new relationship.

So with that in mind, any attempted course correction from Patricia would need to be structure around this. It could be one of those things where it's an ongoing, deepening, worry for Patricia. Maybe something like Patricia begins to get worried starting around playable day 17. Then, by playable day 20 she's deeply worried, and her first attempts at course correction take place. By day 23, she see's that things are really spinning out of control and makes an urgent appeal to Sophia to stop. By this point maybe Patricia has ceased any affair she's having with Sophia. I can see one final attempt from Patricia post Sophia/Dylan's first time having sex, where she gives Sophia an ultimatum to either stop and salvage something of her life, or Patricia and Carl have to cut her out of their lives.

Quite a real development of events.
The game is interesting precisely because there are several routes.
And each route can be exciting and interesting if L&P builds up and writes an intriguing story for each route.
I agree, the climax of the game is Dylan and Sophia and this will most likely happen towards the end of the game.
Hopefully before that we will see many more interesting things.

 

[dian091]

On the contrary, Sophia sleeping with Dylan will result in the very best ending to the game where they both live happily ever after.

IDK, Sophia, Dylan and Sam in the same bed without any jealously on the young men's part would be fine also. Sophia getting hubby's debts repaid by reenacting "The Proposal" with Don Morello could be next in Don's timeline. If I had to pick a team, I guess I'd be for the Sophia Slut team.

 

[ancienregimele]

Poser_Voyeur Alley_Cat Notretsam

I feel like you three are all on the same page and are arriving at conclusions that are all interrelated. I think it's all equally true that Sophia has an easier time flirting with people outside of her social circle (and especially outside of her immediate family), that her corruption is gaining speed and that will change how she interacts with people from Day 1 to Day 30, and that the women have had an easier time than the men due to all the reasons Alley_Cat mentioned.

I'm coming around to the idea that Dylan won't have sex with Sophia until late in the game for a few reasons:

1. It's the ultimate final hurdle. Think of it like the old show Moonlighting, the "will they/won't they?" tension is what drives this game. From a purely business perspective, once Sophia and Dylan hook up, a critical tension will be released and it can never be replaced. Release it too soon and people will begin to drift away from the game.
2. Dylan has a lot of things working against him, so he needs the most time to get Sophia in bed. He needs to get his shit together, win her trust, and figure out how to seduce a woman. And even if he does all of that he still needs the next thing:
3. Sophia needs to completely fall from grace. Sophia's corruption needs to be so complete, her relationship with Liam so broken, and her moral compass so compromised, that she'll be susceptible to Dylan. Only then will all of Dylan's hard work have a chance at success.

So from a business and narrative sense, Dylan may need to be the final person she sleeps with.

There's a very good chance that if Sophia ever does sleep with Dylan, it actually results in a very sad ending to the game.

I've thought this for some time, which is why I came up with an ending that could be done in an (almost) logical & loving way, a few weeks ago & put it in one of my posts. I would hate this story to have a completely unhappy ending. Whatever happens I'm hoping L&P will provide alternatives, because I will take my leave before Dylan does his nasty thing & Sophia becomes, shall we say, unsophisticated. Even the thought is cringeworthy IMO but at the rate we're going it's not worth too much consideration. I'm hoping for a re-adjustment & strengthening of the non-incest routes at some point but at present it's wishful thinking.

 

[Captain Bipto]

I've thought this for some time, which is why I came up with an ending that could be done in an (almost) logical & loving way, a few weeks ago & put it in one of my posts. I would hate this story to have a completely unhappy ending. Whatever happens I'm hoping L&P will provide alternatives, because I will take my leave before Dylan does his nasty thing & Sophia becomes, shall we say, unsophisticated. Even the thought is cringeworthy IMO but at the rate we're going it's not worth too much consideration. I'm hoping for a re-adjustment & strengthening of the non-incest routes at some point but at present it's wishful thinking.

unsophisticated...? this game has nothing to do with sophistication, it's fap material... she's already flashed her snatch at a classroom full of students, along with a few other questionable sexual acts with underage teens. and, if was to judge the game by the title alone, I'd say in the end, she's going to marry Dylan, to fulfill Wife and Mother title of the game

 

[Bane71]

unsophisticated...? this game has nothing to do with sophistication, it's fap material... she's already flashed her snatch at a classroom full of students, along with a few other questionable sexual acts with underage teens. and, if was to judge the game by the title alone, I'd say in the end, she's going to marry Dylan, to fulfill Wife and Mother title of the game

pussy and panties are not the same thing at all. But probably soon the students will see not only her panties but also her pussy ))

 

[WhiteWolf619]

unsophisticated...? this game has nothing to do with sophistication, it's fap material... she's already flashed her snatch at a classroom full of students, along with a few other questionable sexual acts with underage teens. and, if was to judge the game by the title alone, I'd say in the end, she's going to marry Dylan, to fulfill Wife and Mother title of the game

So it just can't be called A Wife And Mother cause she is married with kids.

 

[hzjujk]

So, we hear this defence of the Dev's pacing all the time. I've even maybe used it myself in the past & of course he's going to take whatever time he feels he needs or wants, without reference to a pirate thread. This in no way negates the question & after 3 years of sticking with AWAM, I'm interested in hearing other people's answers. That includes yours but you begin your post with snarky disrespect for the legitimate question & the person who asks it & then use the phrase, "with all due respect." Was this deliberate irony on your part? Personally I play all sorts of games but that doesn't stop me from being critical of the pacing of this game, in what I hope would be taken in a constructive way, if you read my answer to the question above. As I point out this is not just a simple matter of the time between updates but the top-heavy content, (which is only rivalled by Sophia's top-heavy latest bust measurement).
Nobody expects this game to be perfect but if we're still here it's because we have an investment in it, whether it be money or time. I can't realistically expect a return on my investment of time & interest, because I've paid nothing yet but there are patrons who do pay & there are questions that it should be possible to ask without drawing undue disparagement. "Don't watch that, watch this," in referring to other games just doesn't work for me as a defence any more. We are talking about a specific issue.

Sometimes I'm in black humor because it gets cynical. Sorry!
But is sex only when a dick is involved or the person comes to orgasm?
I think we had great sex scenes:
Elli and Sophia,
Ellia, Julia and Sophia,
Sophia and Alyssa,
Liam and Sophia at work,
Sophia in prison, ....
And the illustrated erotic fuck scene in the prison was incredibly hot.
Even if that was just a fantasy of the virtual main character, there will be nothing
more than images of a fantasy story in the future.
Sure you can discuss whether L&P avoids sex scenes. Depends on the definition of sex scenes.
For me this discussion is incomprehensible and looks like a new complaint about working too
slowly and milking again.

 

[Hlextor]

I don't think Dylan will fuck Sophia only at the end of the game. Even though Sam might have a little head start because Sophia is struggling to have sex with her son whom she loves and wants to protect, that doesn't mean Sam will fuck her first. The decisive Dylan/Sophia event will be in the next playablen day. This is where the stage is set for Dylan's progress with his mother. And there will be a romantic and a cuckold route. So for us romantics, not a single fuck and then it's over!

 

[ancienregimele]

unsophisticated...? this game has nothing to do with sophistication, it's fap material... she's already flashed her snatch at a classroom full of students, along with a few other questionable sexual acts with underage teens. and, if was to judge the game by the title alone, I'd say in the end, she's going to marry Dylan, to fulfill Wife and Mother title of the game

It's Sophia's combination of beauty & brains that make her irresistible, to me anyway but I'm sure I'm not the only one. She's been presented in the early part of the game as an all-round accomplished renaissance woman. That's where the sophistication comes in. Bear in mind that fap material can be sophisticated & at times should be, if only for variety & freedom of choice. Having said that, there hasn't been a lot of this fap material in AWAM, which is why I used to contend it was more than straightforward porn.
I revised that opinion in the light of the Dylanisation process & Sophia's expanding breasts but that still doesn't detract from my view that if this is "fap material," then it's a very light fabric. Anybody having a good wank to this stuff must be easily pleased but I'm not denigrating that. To each his/her own.
As for showing her snatch. When did Sophia do this? It never happened. Yes, the class saw her panties but I've read enough teacher blackmail stories to know that snatch display is a distinct task. Who knows if Aiden will demand it, or if he does, whether it will happen at all?
I used the term "unsophisticated" for an incestuous Sophia as the mildest form of disappointment in the MC I could register while still getting the point across. I will be gone from AWAM's followers by then, which is why I didn't want or need to become insulting. What I really think is personal but if necessary can well be imagined & this is where I would have left it.
Now as for marrying Dylan. That's definitely not going to happen. On the other hand, they could live together & in 25-35 years time Dylan can become Sophia's sole carer. What a happy ending after all.

 

[codex35]

unsophisticated...? this game has nothing to do with sophistication, it's fap material... she's already flashed her snatch at a classroom full of students, along with a few other questionable sexual acts with underage teens. and, if was to judge the game by the title alone, I'd say in the end, she's going to marry Dylan, to fulfill Wife and Mother title of the game

what a amazing ending <3

 

[Captain Bipto]

So it just can't be called A Wife And Mother cause she is married with kids.

the title has 2 meanings, that's how it starts. but how it ends...

 

[Captain Bipto]

Sometimes I'm in black humor because it gets cynical. Sorry!
But is sex only when a dick is involved or the person comes to orgasm?
I think we had great sex scenes:
Elli and Sophia,
Ellia, Julia and Sophia,
Sophia and Alyssa,
Liam and Sophia at work,
Sophia in prison, ....
And the illustrated erotic fuck scene in the prison was incredibly hot.
Even if that was just a fantasy of the virtual main character, there will be nothing
more than images of a fantasy story in the future.
Sure you can discuss whether L&P avoids sex scenes. Depends on the definition of sex scenes.
For me this discussion is incomprehensible and looks like a new complaint about working too
slowly and milking again.

Dylan and Sophia in the beach hut

 

[Captain Bipto]

I don't think Dylan will fuck Sophia only at the end of the game. Even though Sam might have a little head start because Sophia is struggling to have sex with her son whom she loves and wants to protect, that doesn't mean Sam will fuck her first. The decisive Dylan/Sophia event will be in the next playablen day. This is where the stage is set for Dylan's progress with his mother. And there will be a romantic and a cuckold route. So for us romantics, not a single fuck and then it's over!

but she has no problem with getting it on with Ellie?

 

[WhiteWolf619]

but she has no problem with getting it on with Ellie?

That is because Ellie is a better character, Dylan is just a pussy that all the fan boys want Sophia to have sex with.

 

[Hlextor]

but she has no problem with getting it on with Ellie?

yes of course, both! Incest festival.

That is because Ellie is a better character, Dylan is just a pussy that all the fan boys want Sophia to have sex with.

Am I correct in assuming that you are not a Dylan fan?

 

[WhiteWolf619]

yes of course, both! Incest festival.

Am I correct in assuming that you are not a Dylan fan?

What was the first hint lol.

 

[jonnybravo11]

That is because Ellie is a better character, Dylan is just a pussy that all the fan boys want Sophia to have sex with.

true but the heart wants what it wants

 

[WhiteWolf619]

true but the heart wants what it wants

That's why we want Ellie to get with Sophia and not Dylan, our hearts want it.