VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Catherine1972]

The defaults and qualities of L&P ... Long debate.

But I refuse to speak with a value judgment. Neither in terms of paying L&P nor of non-payment in retaliation.
Everyone agrees at least that the renderings are superb, the plots offered and the scenario incomparable.
Yes, the updates are slow. Speculations have time to be imagined, exposed and debated. They annoy, amuse, pass the time.
Those who don't like it can (and should) be a game-changer.

What is the meaning of this debate? I admit that I don't understand. Apart from heating the spirits. Sometimes entertaining, sometimes informative, sometimes relevant, sometimes unnecessary.

 

[abczzz]

what are the relationshipes in next updata?

 

[Leldorin]

I've been saying that for a while. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. What's the point of having a degree of power over a beautiful, sophisticated woman, if all you can do is ask for a soulless selfie, of a type that almost everyone has had enough of? Any picture sent would need to have the head missing, or the id otherwise obscured, otherwise it would be a way to provide substance for more prolonged blackmail. Pictures of this type are about as sexy as a fried tomato that's been fried too long. Where the head is included there are cases of women schoolteachers being jailed for this type of activity. Let's hope L&P's writing skills are on top form.

We know that the tasks won’t be that extremes until playable day 13 (don’t know if included or not).
Until then, I’m pretty sure she won’t have to do anything that goes beyond what she has done with other characters.(regardless if it makes sense or not).
But that doesn’t mean that we can’t have something different.
I hope that L&p won’t follow the most “cliche” route : Picture of boobs, then ass , then pussy, then handjob, blowjob, etc...
I would prefer something like :
Aiden call Sophia, then they meet. They go to a random shop. Then he chose a random seller and he tell Sophia : I want you to seduce that guy so hard that he will be forced to leave his post to jerk off somewhere. You can use whatever method you want.
Aiden and his gang would have a good laugh seeing the guy running to the restroom.

Or they meet, he gives her a bag and he tells her to go to a sex shop on foot and buy as many porn movies ( or dildo or whatever sexual object)as she can carry and come back So when she’s out of the shop and try to come back as quickly and calmly as possible, the bag broke ( it could have been already damaged by Aiden before he gives it to her) and all it’s content is spread on the street in front of some random people.
Aiden and is gang would be looking from afar .
(Now, I don’t know about that last example, because Sophia has to find some sort of enjoyment in the tasks and it would be mostly humiliating. After all the game is more on the “vanilla” side than the realistic one (for better or worse)
Those are some examples on the top of my head of course and not necessarily I want to happen but I hope it won’t be as predictable as the 2nd task that almost everybody figured out before it happened.

 

[Bane71]

We know that the tasks won’t be that extremes until playable day 13 (don’t know if included or not).
Until then, I’m pretty sure she won’t have to do anything that goes beyond what she has done with other characters.(regardless if it makes sense or not).
But that doesn’t mean that we can’t have something different.
I hope that L&p won’t follow the most “cliche” route : Picture of boobs, then ass , then pussy, then handjob, blowjob, etc...
I would prefer something like :
Aiden call Sophia, then they meet. They go to a random shop. Then he chose a random seller and he tell Sophia : I want you to seduce that guy so hard that he will be forced to leave his post to jerk off somewhere. You can use whatever method you want.
Aiden and his gang would have a good laugh seeing the guy running to the restroom.

Or they meet, he gives her a bag and he tells her to go to a sex shop on foot and buy as many porn movies ( or dildo or whatever sexual object)as she can carry and come back So when she’s out of the shop and try to come back as quickly and calmly as possible, the bag broke ( it could have been already damaged by Aiden before he gives it to her) and all it’s content is spread on the street in front of some random people.
Aiden and is gang would be looking from afar .
(Now, I don’t know about that last example, because Sophia has to find some sort of enjoyment in the tasks and it would be mostly humiliating. After all the game is more on the “vanilla” side than the realistic one (for better or worse)
Those are some examples on the top of my head of course and not necessarily I want to happen but I hope it won’t be as predictable as the 2nd task that almost everybody figured out before it happened.

The idea of arousing some guy in front of Aiden's buddies is exciting.
Of course, other options are possible. I think some actions are necessary in which Sofia needs to prove herself and at the same time these actions will excite Sofia.
Showing tits at this stage, it's already too banal.
We need something creative and interesting, and of course erotic!

 

[abram1]

Okay...

I risk taking facepalms and angering the patrons, but there is a solution to prevent L&P from lingering (and therefore wasting time), and that is to stop paying it.

Let me explain :

The more money L&P has, the more resources he will have to focus on quality and update its equipment.

Better material = more possibilities.
And knowing L&P's concern for perfection, he's bound to waste time trying new things.
Which is legitimate in itself ... BUT not in the middle of an already long production.

L&P should do this before starting a new project.
It's an endless loop.

I think L & P's current material is more than enough to produce something of exceptional quality. We can see it right now. You don't need to waste time experimenting with possibilities now. He has the necessary equipment now we have to concentrate on the current project.

I'm not talking about going faster in terms of production speed here, but only in terms of wasting time.

If there's logic here, then it looks exactly like a shattered window pane. That's a territory of wishful thinking, nothing's wrong with that, but it has nothing to do with the reality.

It's a matter of trust between him and his donors. Some accepted this approach, others decided to part ways with him. What anyone here on this thread thinks about the development time is irrelevant, including myself.

You talk like someone who's life depends on AWAM, that's quite baffling. L&P is an artist in the first place, attempting to achieve his vision. It takes time ... a lot.

What may seem like a lost time for us, for him it's a training ground for mastering skills. You might say "But that's at the expense of the paying audience". Nobody said that life is easy and fair. Patrons and him have found a compromise, the steady growing base of supporters shows what's up.

But there's always an option: people say that dancing with a tambourine around the bonfire during a Moon eclipse, while fully naked and standing on the hands, helps in fulfilling dreams (the plausibility of this method is quite uncertain). Anyone, wanting to speed the process up, feel free to try it out and if AWAM indeed gets updated faster, don't be so shy and tell us about your unforgetable experience.

 

[Catherine1972]

If there's logic here, then it looks exactly like a shattered window pane. That's a territory of wishful thinking, nothing's wrong with that, but it has nothing to do with the reality.

It's a matter of trust between him and his donors. Some accepted this approach, others decided to part ways with him. What anyone here on this thread thinks about the development time is irrelevant, including myself.

You talk like someone who's life depends on AWAM, that's quite baffling. L&P is an artist in the first place, attempting to achieve his vision. It takes time ... a lot.
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What may seem like a lost time for us, for him it's a training ground for mastering skills. You might say "But that's at the expense of the paying audience". Nobody said that life is easy and fair. Patrons and him have found a compromise, the steady growing base of supporters shows what's up.

But there's always an option: people say that dancing with a tambourine around the bonfire during a Moon eclipse, while fully naked and standing on the hands, helps in fulfilling dreams (the plausibility of this method is quite uncertain). Anyone, wanting to speed the process up, feel free to try it out and if AWAM indeed gets updated faster, don't be so shy and tell us about your unforgetable experience.

I know Scarlet56 and I don't think I'm going against his thought by intervening.

We are not talking here about taking sides for or against L&P.
Simply, it is not really opportune to train in the middle of a game. Before or after so that the next one is even better.
No one doubts the quality of what L&P does here. Renderings and history, as already said dozens of times.

Have a life that depends on AWAM ??
This is a bit of a stretch, for all of us here. There are passionate people, I prefer to say it like that.

 

[Bane71]

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The 4th paragraph down could be interpreted in many ways depending on how you look at it.
Aidens task will not be that extreme at all or Aidens task will not be that extreme till after day 17.
We do know that no rape/violence will happen in this game.

My friend, I didn't say anything about extreme things! I'm talking about creativity, an interesting, sexy event that will not leave Sofia and us indifferent.

 

[nexer]

Certain decisions before .
What could it be? Does it have something to do with Aiden? Or is it something else?

 

[Old Dog]

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Certain decisions before .
What could it be? Does it have something to do with Aiden? Or is it something else?

Depends my friend on certain choices and people

 

[Bane71]

If there's logic here, then it looks exactly like a shattered window pane. That's a territory of wishful thinking, nothing's wrong with that, but it has nothing to do with the reality.

It's a matter of trust between him and his donors. Some accepted this approach, others decided to part ways with him. What anyone here on this thread thinks about the development time is irrelevant, including myself.

You talk like someone who's life depends on AWAM, that's quite baffling. L&P is an artist in the first place, attempting to achieve his vision. It takes time ... a lot.
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What may seem like a lost time for us, for him it's a training ground for mastering skills. You might say "But that's at the expense of the paying audience". Nobody said that life is easy and fair. Patrons and him have found a compromise, the steady growing base of supporters shows what's up.

But there's always an option: people say that dancing with a tambourine around the bonfire during a Moon eclipse, while fully naked and standing on the hands, helps in fulfilling dreams (the plausibility of this method is quite uncertain). Anyone, wanting to speed the process up, feel free to try it out and if AWAM indeed gets updated faster, don't be so shy and tell us about your unforgetable experience.

I personally agree with you and Scarlet56 as well, I believe you both have similar views! Scarlet56 does not make a claim, as far as I understand, he makes a recommendation and it is in my opinion constructive. There is no limit to perfection, at some level a reasonable solution for L&P is needed. Of course, first of all, the consent and support of his patrons is important for him, but this does not prevent us from reasoning and expressing our opinion.

 

[roro]

He promised short content and an update three times faster.

But criticizing it because it was an obvious lie.

You're calling him a liar, but are you 100% sure he's lying?
I on the other hand know 100% you're lying, because he never promised "an update three times faster".

 

[BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM]

))) that's what's strange to me! How exactly do you determine that 2500 renderers are worthless?
Why, my friend, don't you understand that this is your subjective assessment?!

For example, I am 100% satisfied with this approach, otherwise it would be similar to everything that is on the network. I'm not interested in everything else, I like what L&P does.

You have a completely different creative approach with him, you are different! This does not mean that one of you is right, it only means a difference in approaches!

You can probably be a great porn director. L&P creates a visual novel, and this is something else. We will definitely come to porn, but after a long journey.
I think so.

if you see my comments you'll see Im neither in favour or against story telling going straight to porn. It doesn't matter to me.
My interest in this is purely business, as I believe this will be a big niche in 5-10 years.

What I'm saying is that he could use his superb rendering abbilities to do something better and an actual better game while probably making 2x or 3x more.

Gladly, people have caught up to his ways so until he steps up his earnings wont step up.

 

[BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM]

What happened here, you ran out of imagination? Time to change the tune, it gets boring. Surprised there's no "M" word, that's a novelty.


lust_and_passion@yahoo.com - you know what to do. L&P is passionately (o-la-la) waiting for your well-thought, structured and unbiased opinion, concerning creation of his game.
Oh, and enlighten us. I hope for a huge reveal, comparable to a second advent, not a regular whining.

Lemme guess. You were his patron, then you got fed up with the relatively slow time between updates (ISCTOR sends his regards) and started trash talking about AWAM more often than before, if you ever done that. With sporadic temper tantrums here and there. It's time to chill out.
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This is a forum, last time I checked this is the game's thread, so I think I'm free to discuss whatever I want related to it.

Regarding ICSTOR, I don't think you've ever seen me defending him, so that argument is shit.

Regarding the first part of your comment, I've suggested stuff here, only for L&P to whine about it but then take some recomendations and change the game anyway despite whining and saying I wasnt right

I don't know how old some of you are, but eventually you'll learn that being critical isn't the same as holding a grudge or seeing someone down. I see value in L&Ps work, I just think he should and could work better and make more money.

I was his patron before and I'll come back to being a patron once I think he works well. I don't hold grudges.

 

[nexer]

Depends my friend on certain choices and people

One option remains, to refuse the last part of 2 task (Basic Instinct), and talk to Carl about boarding-school. Dylan and Zac are staying home until Sophia finds a place at boarding-school. I don't know if Sophia will do home-schooling with both of them before they (Dylan+Zac or only Dylan) go to boarding-school.
Options: Sophia will do home-schooling with Zac+Dylan or Zac only, later.

 

[bayrischman]

he promised because the apdate smollerand quicker a time of 8-10 weeks for the apdate . beginning at 6. januar ., i got the mail on january 4th

 

[BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM]

Okay...

I risk taking facepalms and angering the patrons, but there is a solution to prevent L&P from lingering (and therefore wasting time), and that is to stop paying it.

Let me explain :

The more money L&P has, the more resources he will have to focus on quality and update its equipment.

Better material = more possibilities.
And knowing L&P's concern for perfection, he's bound to waste time trying new things.
Which is legitimate in itself ... BUT not in the middle of an already long production.

L&P should do this before starting a new project.
It's an endless loop.

I think L & P's current material is more than enough to produce something of exceptional quality. We can see it right now. You don't need to waste time experimenting with possibilities now. He has the necessary equipment now we have to concentrate on the current project.

I'm not talking about going faster in terms of production speed here, but only in terms of wasting time.

The issue people have with L&P is that he keeps moving the goalposts.

>Promises X if he gets Y $$$ goal on patreon.
>Doesn't deliver.

>Cuts back on playing day time so he can update the game more often.
>Ends up doing some crazy stuff so the updates go back to 5/6 months but now with only half the content.

People don't like that.

He needs help from qualified people to make this VN a actual game to 2021's standards and to get it out faster.

If he keeps going like this for years to come, people will eventually lose interest. You go on BADIK or other top tier games that are launching now and you'll see they have achievments/collectibles/socialmedia ingame. That adds value and this game, which is suposed to complete in 2028/2030 will just be outdated by then.

You guys can lump me with all the other whiners who just came in to piss off L&P but that's not my goal.

 

[Old Dog]

One option remains, to refuse the last part of 2 task (Basic Instinct), and talk to Carl about boarding-school. Dylan and Zac are staying home until Sophia finds a place at boarding-school. I don't know if Sophia will do home-schooling with both of them before they (Dylan+Zac or only Dylan) go to boarding-school.
Options: Sophia will do home-schooling with Zac+Dylan or Zac only, later.

There is one option left concerning Aiden,besides taking Dylan/Zac out of school or talking to Carl.
If you include Bennett as well Sophia has 4 options including Carl(maybe) but there is also a 5th option that could be taken.

 

[BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM]

Okay, that's clearly an exaggeration. We all know the only problem L&P encountered was with his hardwares. The impromptu surgery took 2 or 3 days to the most. Most of us know you hate the dev and you always like to criticize him with rubbish reasons. But don't mislead anybody with all those rubbishes just because you hate the dev.
There was a person, who, some months ago complained that this game's renders are blurry and he could not see anything properly in his "high end PC" because all the renders are in 720p. So just like you he also criticized the dev for that and obviously many of the those who criticized L&P, supported this guy.
Now I think its actually funny because no matter what, whether this game is upscaled or not, you and all those who criticize are not going to stop what you are doing. You guys just want to criticize and you will pick any reason for that.

Seriously, what's with the "whether and dog eating" rubbish reasons?

I'm sorry, your criticism is misleading and I have to point that out.

I don't hate the dev, stop being a kid making criticism = hate.

 

[dian091]

2688 pages and counting and quite a bit of fan art, the developer must be doing something right. Yes, I'd love faster updates too.

 

[xxxorro]

The idea of arousing some guy in front of Aiden's buddies is exciting.
Of course, other options are possible. I think some actions are necessary in which Sofia needs to prove herself and at the same time these actions will excite Sofia.
Showing tits at this stage, it's already too banal.
We need something creative and interesting, and of course erotic!

I agree, these two propositions are quite interesting for the "out-of-the-shop" scenario.

I still think that, whatever the scenario is, given the pace and the nature of the game so far, there will be no lewd things in this task. Maybe some limited nudity (like e.g. Sophia has to show her bare back or her breast covered with the arms, whether it is to stream it through the phone or to seduce the guy in the shop as it has been proposed) but not more than that.
I expect that this task would be still something that Sophia can somehow rationalise and accept it as a "game" or a teaser like it happened for the 1st and the 2nd (without forgetting that there is still an extortion behind it).

The 4th one will be a sort of point of no return if I interpret the correctly the words of L&P. It also it depends how the tasks will evolve, if they will stay in the path of the "voyeurism" (as in Sophia has to expose herself to others) or Aiden will ask task more for himself (and/or his gang).