VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[nexer]

You can't play the Ellie route without her kissing Jules. If you really want equal rights for Dylan, you also need to be arguing, however futile that would be, that Dylan needs to have a scene kissing Sam.

No way. Do you realize that's not acceptable for a straight man?

 

[nexer]

Personally, I think it's very likely that we get a scene with Dylan masturbating while he watches Sophia. The only question I have is, how out-in the open will Dylan show his cuckold fantasy? I really don't think he'll ever openly watch Sam and Sophia because performing like that in front of his friend seems too unrealistic considering the time frame we're working with. More than likely I think he'll do it in "secret" and only Sophia will be aware of what he's doing.

It's a small detail. Sophia needs to know but not in the sense that he's spying on her, just like in the Ellie and Julia scene.
And in both cases (Dylan and Ellie), Sophia crosses the red line. In her relationship with Ellie anything beyond a shower together, a slap on the butt, a breast squeeze (like Claire with Marie) is beyond the red line.

 

[hzjujk]

I think Dylan change happened when L&p did his surgery trip.
I don’t remember the exact quote but he said something like : I did some interesting changes in the story.

After that, started the “2nd Mcification of Dylan”.

An Average virgin guy who had no success at all before, is now “super cute” and every woman that cross his path is now irresistibly attracted to him.

What change between then and now ?
Nothing . He’s now an mc and before he wasn’t. That’s all.

In the yoga event, I didn’t see any more confidence in Dylan behavior.
He almost didn’t do shit other than starring at the women’s ass.
And every one of them was more than happy to be under Dylan gaze (Marie and Claire even arguing at who was Dylan looking at the most).

But what I don’t understand, is during this event, and the Dylan/Ellie event, L&p make Dylan think something like
:“why am I trying to look at my aunt bush? What the fuck is wrong with me?!”
Or with Ellie “Why am I looking at my sister this way ? This is not one of those cheerleaders at school... Get back to your senses Dylan...”

I understand that’s what the MC typically say in those sorts of game (“I know I shouldn’t have those thoughts but...” “I know it’s wrong but...”), but here it doesn’t work.
Why? Because it’s been two weeks ingame that we’re witnessing Dylan doing everything possible to see his mom naked, grabbing her ass and boobs, jerking off to her, even making a deal with Aiden so that she dresses more sexy...
But I guess that wanting to fuck your mom: perfectly normal.
Wanting to fuck your aunt or sister: “what’s wrong with me?”...

As for the catalyst of the change in Dylan, I would have make him find a job and leave the house.
Be it because of his football skills or his computer knowledge, he would get recruited and offered a really good position with a staff housing.
Or whatever . But something that force him to grow , and mature quickly, now that he’s on his own and have a bunch of responsibilities.

Still living in the same city of course.

Sophia being torn between being proud of her son becoming a man and her baby leaving the nest so suddenly.

A part of her wouldn’t accept the situation and she would constantly trying to go see how he’s doing.
Liam would be pretty annoyed that Sophia would spend most of her free time with Dylan than with him (when he’s there).
Even Dylan might end up a little annoyed by his mother attitude.

I’ll stop here because I’ll start writing for hours otherwise, but for me, the shift of Dylan in Sophia view was meh at best and could have been portrayed otherwise.

He didn't just think of his aunt, but of a threesome with his mother and aunt. At least that's how I remember it. That he then calls himself to order in his mind is understandable. And he shies away from these ideas and wants a girlfriend. After sex, the little gray cells work again for a while. At least with me.
Sophia (i.e. the player) had the chance to connect Dylan with a girl (Emma). I am curious whether L&P will give the player (Sophia) the same choice again with Marie. If the player chooses correctly, all of Sophia AND Dylan's problems are solved immediately.
L&P tries to show a development by Dylan, but not always successfully. For me, too, the possibilities, i.e. external incentives, to further develop Dylan are actually exhausted. The economic pressure on the family would be a possible trigger. But for that, Sophia von Dylan would have to tell about his father who messed up. But somehow I have the feeling that L&P wants to keep all these routes separate.
And Sex-Ed: I don't want to watch him follow his mother during her infidelities and she thinks "How good that Dylan is there. He can learn something here".

 

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But what I don’t understand, is during this event, and the Dylan/Ellie event, L&p make Dylan think something like
:“why am I trying to look at my aunt bush? What the fuck is wrong with me?!”
Or with Ellie “Why am I looking at my sister this way ? This is not one of those cheerleaders at school... Get back to your senses Dylan...”

I understand that’s what the MC typically say in those sorts of game (“I know I shouldn’t have those thoughts but...” “I know it’s wrong but...”), but here it doesn’t work.
Why? Because it’s been two weeks ingame that we’re witnessing Dylan doing everything possible to see his mom naked, grabbing her ass and boobs, jerking off to her, even making a deal with Aiden so that she dresses more sexy...
But I guess that wanting to fuck your mom: perfectly normal.
Wanting to fuck your aunt or sister: “what’s wrong with me?”...

I'll have to go through the script again, but the first time Dylan thought of a threesome, including Sophia, was after yoga on the way home. Until then he hadn't openly expressed that he'd like to have sex with her. And that the process is an evolution and that the original intention was not that.

 

[Alley_Cat]

No way. Do you realize that's not acceptable for a straight man?

Again, that's my point. That because Dylan and Ellie are different genders you can't treat them the same way, especially within a sexual context. That the argument that Dylan should have the same progress and privilege as Ellie is utterly ridiculous.

It's the same argument as why it's ridiculous for Dylan to use the "why not me?" argument for showering with Sophia.

 

[nexer]

Again, that's my point. That because Dylan and Ellie are different genders you can't treat them the same way, especially within a sexual context. That the argument that Dylan should have the same progress and privilege as Ellie is utterly ridiculous.

It's the same argument as why it's ridiculous for Dylan to use the "why not me?" argument for showering with Sophia.

Notice that "gender" too often used. I really hope that "gender" policy will stay out there.

 

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It had occurred to me to skip this minor progress update but I want to keep the record of just how slow his progress is. As ViperDonkey points out, it is kind of a joke that it took three + days since the last progress update to render 5% of the update.

Let's say the update is 1,000 renders total (same as last update, a lot), that's just 50 renders in three days. The previous progress report covered 8/28 - 9/8 noting an additional 5% of scenes created. So that's 50 images from creation to render in 16 days, 3.1 images per day.

Thank you for supporting the calling out of bullshit this dev is pulling with facts & numbers.

 

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Anyway, someone suggested hitting on the ignore button when it comes to you. I'mma do that and don't even bother to reply.

Thank god. One less L&P bot for me to answer.

 

[Hlextor]

If you really want equal rights for Dylan, you also need to be arguing, however futile that would be, that Dylan needs to have a scene kissing Sam.

Interesting way of thinking. Also quite sick as it seems to me. And the interesting thing is, you also believe the crap you write here. You do not understand a single word, what Dr.Fapalot has written is very insightfully here because you are stuck in your lesbian story. Don't look at so many codes and rather play the game! And the pills you are looking for, you will surely find in your bathroom cabinet. Hope you feel better soon.

 

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Well... Ever been to college? Or clubbing? Or.. outside? It's nothing special to get laid on the first meet. Hell, we even have apps nowadays made for pretty much this sole purpose. I don't see anything wrong with what ViperDonkey said there. You on the other hand are trying to compare quite realistic scenarios with something not only questionable from a moral standpoint, but also highly illegal in reality.

I'm not a big fan of the incest + pedo content this otherwise great game has to offer anyway, so maybe I'm just biased.

Exactly. In college those situations are normal.

A married women who has never stepped out of her comfort zone suddendly JACKING OFF 2 TEENS WITH A THIRD ONE WATCHING 2 DAYS AFTER SHE MEETS THEM only happens in this game (specially taking into account how slow things are going with almost all other characters) because L&P has that shota fetish. Hence why he was such a fan of that shit and why he wanted to put it out as fast as possible.

 

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Just think of the people who have gone further with Sophia, consensually. Think of how they look like.

Yeah, they look like the youngest in the story.


"Do you look older? Well then at most you're going to touch the fabric of my bra"

"Do you look younger? Where's your penis I want to grab it right now"

 

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I really hope that day 12 will be the last one that takes much more time than the previous day.
I doubt anyone was thinking for 13+ months for 1 game day.

Right here. I've warned about the practices of L&P the minute he started making bs excuses for his delays. I have gamedevs on dm saying they agree with me but wont say anything here so it doesnt cause a scene.
Anyone that has spent a fair share of time on DAZ3d knows this guy is just bullshitting patreons.

And for the new ones here, here's a resume of the bs this dev pulls every development cycle as Talcum Powder has showed with actual numbers.

There's one big pro: Render quality. It's great. Story isn't bad at all, good balance and good in-game pace.
Now, for the development:

• Updates getting more time to get done for less content
  • 6 months for a third of a day
  • 5.5 renders per day done on average (getting worse per update)
  • Less scenes per year as we move forward
  • More and more excuses from the dev (every update has an excuse to get delayed)
  • added: 2.15 pages of MS Word translated from german to english PER DAY by him and his "translator"

• Patron goals mean 0 to this dev.
• Every way of speeding up development get's tossed to the bin, every way of slowing it down gets considered.

• Incapable of sticking to a plan
  • Development just unravells 50% (or more) more than expected all the time

• Wont hire/ask for help even on stuff that cant be leaked (with excuses that don't make any sense)
  • Doesn't want a person who knows less than him because it will get in the way
  • Doesn't want a person who knows the same as him as "its just another him"
  • Can't handover translation despite suposedly having the script written for ages now
    • Clearly there's no script until it gets to the P&T stage

• Constant exaggerations to magnify his work:
  • There's no script beforehand hence why every update gets 50-100% more renders and no translation is possible in the CS/R stage. Why lie about this?
  • Expressions arent " meticously made by hand" they're made by marketplace presets such as Z MIE Packs // VGC Packs //SE02 // GR etc. (hence why the MC doesn't even look like herself in some renders ( just check the renders in the prison)) Does it get tweaked here and there? Of course, as everyone does it. Are they made from scratch "meticously by hand"? Come on. MC had 20 different faces by now, that doesn't happen if you're tweaking facial features by hand because it won't go overboard. Again, why say they are done "meticously buy hand"? Get a grip.
  • Dforce is used sometimes and only on clothes, not everywhere like he mentions like there's some huge big simulation going on. And this is why you see clipping of models on furniture etc from time to time, which again, its normal(and no one cares about it), but don't come here tell us how everything is dforced simulated and that perfectionist obsessed talk and what not.
  • Are we suposed to believe he just went ahead and post processed exactly 100 (10%) renders everyday for the past 10 days?
    • It does look more like lightroom than photoshop and if that's the case, lightroom is a basically preset factory, basically once they're set and worked on, it's done quickly as you can group the scene by lightset and you can't change preset per lightset, else it'll look off. If that's the case, 100 renders is lazy work.

At this point, based on this, my (and others') possible theories are:

1. He doesn't work on this as much as he says he does hence why he tries to make it sound the hardest thing ever and not accepting help from anyone.
2. He works as much time he says he does but he's the slowest most unorganized dev in this space (I doubt it, renders have too much quality for him not to know what he's doing).
3. He works on this as much time he says he does and he wraps it up in half the time he says he does and just stretches it out to see where he can bring patrons without too much work.

To finish on this regarding the DLCs.

• Who are we kidding, theres not going to be any DLCs.
• DLCs are now a great excuse to leave very promising situations (for instance coach Sophia or the Biker bar DLC) out of the way for now. Why would he do that?
  • Because that way he can dangle the "Lets corrupt Sophia" carrot in front of you for more development cycles and very promising situations where Sophia could get one step ahead are now put on the shelf as some sort of promise that he will do them when he ends the game 20 years from now.

 

[oldshoe]

Just think of the people who have gone further with Sophia, consensually. Think of how they look like.

Yeah, they look like the youngest in the story.


"Do you look older? Well then at most you're going to touch the fabric of my bra"

"Do you look younger? Where's your penis I want to grab it right now"

I don't think many of us should try to jump on the moral high ground here, it is after all an incest game from the start, so we are all going to hell riding that train .

Not only that it's one of the only incest games you can play straight through without any incest or corruption, if you take the "Good Wife" route.

Nobody touches anything in this game unless the player chooses it, there's always the option to "stop this now"

Some people aren't going to like the side teaching job, some won't like the wrinkly old men. Personally I love it all, but everyone gets to make obvious choices. I don't want to tell a writer or artist what to do, I'll make a big boy choice based on what I think of the result. If I don't like it, I'll move on, maybe others should too.

 

[nexer]

Exactly. In college those situations are normal.

A married women who has never stepped out of her comfort zone suddendly JACKING OFF 2 TEENS WITH A THIRD ONE WATCHING 2 DAYS AFTER SHE MEETS THEM only happens in this game (specially taking into account how slow things are going with almost all other characters) because L&P has that shota fetish. Hence why he was such a fan of that shit and why he wanted to put it out as fast as possible.

I am a supporter of the genetically transmitted seed of destruction theory .
L&P throws out a few clues, younger sister Patricia had an early start and it's possible that a higher degree of shyness/shame kept Sophia away.
She married early and the children awakened her maternal instincts, instincts that covered other needs.
I think the move to another city, another lifestyle is a well-chosen foundation to explain future changes.
What's less credible is the short time frame in which the changes occur, but otherwise, once the seed is present, its incubation is quite possible.

The seed is present in the family, Patricia is the proof and so is the children's behaviour.

 

[Uncle Bogdan]

Exactly. In college those situations are normal.

A married women who has never stepped out of her comfort zone suddendly JACKING OFF 2 TEENS WITH A THIRD ONE WATCHING 2 DAYS AFTER SHE MEETS THEM only happens in this game (specially taking into account how slow things are going with almost all other characters) because L&P has that shota fetish. Hence why he was such a fan of that shit and why he wanted to put it out as fast as possible.

I completely agree that it's just very fast and breaks the plot, but I like this kind of content, in the spirit of Japanese porn , but I also understand those who don't like it at all, I don't like the line with old farts, for example, but this is someone's fetish

 

[Uncle Bogdan]

But on the other hand, the plot would have stood for another 5 years, now at least there are caresses, manipulations with breasts and nipples, this is really a big step, now there will be more such content

 

[Uncle Bogdan]

I don't want to hear about morality in a porn game, it's absurd, there are frankly no children here, there are only dwarfs

 

[mulerider]

There definitely are young guys and girls who would be interested in a realistic erotic story. I am one of them I could say.
I myself have come up with a few stories in which I believe sexual acts are believable, where sexual acts are not included just for fan service but can make sense. But I have no skills with Daz, hope to learn it next year then maybe I can try making something nice.

As for AWAM, some things indeed are a stretch to reality. A solo man working on this giant story, making hundreds of scenes is bound to go wrong, or run out of believable ways to continue a scenario eventually. Sometimes he needs a rational person to help him and suggest ideas. But then again it should be someone who himself is aware of what is realistic and what is just a normalised act in porn games which isn't realistic at all.

do you mind saying what "tags" would be put on your story ideas

like you, i can think of story ideas too, but me using daz, lol oh hell no, that and no time working 12-14hrs a day, every day.

but hope you do make yours, would like to see/read them

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

ViperDonkey , honey baby, take a deep breath and walk away. The game isn't worth getting this worked up over. I'm not even disagreeing with you, but don't let it get to you.

 

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ViperDonkey , honey baby, take a deep breath and walk away. The game isn't worth getting this worked up over. I'm not even disagreeing with you, but don't let it get to you.

I dont get worked up. Costs me a few min of my time to come here and warn potential new patrons (as I was once before) not to waste their money supporting a project whose purpose is to drag them along for a decade old ride.