VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[ancienregimele]

A spoiler showing Liam, Andy, Cathy at an apartment and Sophia not in scene would make things here pop off again. Aside from something like that it’s hard to imagine a teaser worth seeing that doesn’t also give too much away.

That might be worth seeing but if Sophia was in the picture it would give away what she was wearing, so she needs to be absent as you say. That might lead to another one of those trailers without much relevance to the actual event. Then we'd start debating.... I'd make a comment about outfits...or boobs....& away we'd go again!

I think it would be great if we all stayed quiet after your estimated date for completion, that is for the number of days after that date before the update appeared.

 

[farrah]

There will also be a romantic path with Dylan and Sophia. The only question is how L&P will flip the switch from sex-Ed to romance.

Probably another change in character. But most likely this romance will be based on the pure lust.

 

[Hlextor]

Probably another change in character. But most likely this romance will be based on the pure lust.

Yes, that's probably right. Basically, with Dylan/Sophia, lust is above everything and the argument that L&P doesn't want to get away from the fact that she always stays in her mother role. That's the difference with Sam. Sam got the romance role... Dylan, yes... he was planned for something else. Unfortunately.

To correct. Dylan will probably also have a romantic relationship with Sophia, but it is based on lust.

 

[farrah]

To correct. Dylan will probably also have a romantic relationship with Sophia, but it is based on lust.

At least romantic relationship between Sophia and Ellie will be based on the pure love.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

At least romantic relationship between Sophia and Ellie will be based on the pure love.

You can see differences in the build up with Sophia/Ellie and Sophia/Sam, not with Dylan. My question would be how would he make the transition from "Sex-Ed" to romance and make the story meaningful. I don't know if he can achieve this. I know some people on this thread think that defending Sophia by kicking the drunk hobo ass because he ran his mouth is a good step forward as it makes her see Dylan as a Man now, but IMO, it was very cheesy, really nothing meaningful about it.

 

[t3alqdansam]

Yes, that's probably right. Basically, with Dylan/Sophia, lust is above everything and the argument that L&P doesn't want to get away from the fact that she always stays in her mother role. That's the difference with Sam. Sam got the romance role... Dylan, yes... he was planned for something else. Unfortunately.

To correct. Dylan will probably also have a romantic relationship with Sophia, but it is based on lust.

I agree except with the use of the term 'romantic'. If it is based on lust it is physical. The emotional element and intellectual element that really drive romance are both missing. For Dylan lust is obvious and within his character to date. For Sophia he can drive the story in that direction as well (with Liam as such a failure in the FW route) lust could easily become an option for her. I don't see that as 'romance' for Sophia. Romance is pulling at her heartstrings and that, as you have said, is Sam's role.

 

[Jude6]

... a guy like L&P would probably be really tough to work with...

I was thinking about this recently and wanted to chime in with my whole-hearted agreement.
Nothing against L&P, but his method of working would make editing and/or proofreading for this game very frustrating.

Last year when he put up that post asking for expressions of interest for a Proofreader I emailed him to apply, and I applied seriously; gave my real name, references and relevant work history, everything - didn't get a reply since he didn't end up hiring anybody, but now I'm kind of glad I didn't hear back.

With what we know about his writing process - you'd either get the script in little paragraph sized pieces days apart, which would be frustratingly disjointed. Or you'd get nothing for 5 months then suddenly an email with the whole update script and a message saying "I can't start coding until you get this back to me, so make it fast please ", which would be panic inducing.

Plus, editing the script after the corresponding renders have already been made (and slaved over) would just result in arguments:
Hypothetical Editor: This whole exchange here - where Character A asks a question then Character B answers - can be removed because both characters say basically the same things in this passage four paragraphs earlier.
Hypothetical L&P: Well, I already spent four or five hours creating the renders for that exchange, plus another hour cleaning up those renders in photoshop, so...

 

[Hlextor]

I agree except with the use of the term 'romantic'. If it is based on lust it is physical. The emotional element and intellectual element that really drive romance are both missing. For Dylan lust is obvious and within his character to date. For Sophia he can drive the story in that direction as well (with Liam as such a failure in the FW route) lust could easily become an option for her. I don't see that as 'romance' for Sophia. Romance is pulling at her heartstrings and that, as you have said, is Sam's role.

A few years ago I asked him if there would be a romantic path with Sophia and Dylan. Yes, there would be, at least three paths. The romantic one, the cuckold one and the third... I don't know. But I guess he scrapped the 3rd one.
And again, on the romantic. It may be, of course, that the relationship of the two consists only of the satisfaction of lust. But we should keep one thing in mind. Sophia loves her son. So all it takes is a spark (it's a porn game, mind you!) that the mother's love for her son could turn into romance.

 

[MykeRosy]

hey whats up. why i dont see development tracker anymore?

 

[Sabertooth__]

I agree except with the use of the term 'romantic'. If it is based on lust it is physical. The emotional element and intellectual element that really drive romance are both missing. For Dylan lust is obvious and within his character to date. For Sophia he can drive the story in that direction as well (with Liam as such a failure in the FW route) lust could easily become an option for her. I don't see that as 'romance' for Sophia. Romance is pulling at her heartstrings and that, as you have said, is Sam's role.

Can Sam's route really be called romantic. I mean I get why people refer to it as a romantic path, Sam acting like a hopeless romantic etc but behind this facade the reality isn't pure at all. The guy too wants Sophia's body. We do know what he thinks about Sophia from his exchange with Dylan in the initial game days.

I don't want to use any negative terms but I wouldn't really call something with such adulterated or impure intentions a romantic path. It's just another approach to deceive Sophia and get in her pants.
Though yeah .....Everyone's free to have their own opinion.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

A few years ago I asked him if there would be a romantic path with Sophia and Dylan. Yes, there would be, at least three paths. The romantic one, the cuckold one and the third... I don't know. But I guess he scrapped the 3rd one.
And again, on the romantic. It may be, of course, that the relationship of the two consists only of the satisfaction of lust. But we should keep one thing in mind. Sophia loves her son. So all it takes is a spark (it's a porn game, mind you!) that the mother's love for her son could turn into romance.

I can confirm that what Hlextor said is right. L&P said that there would be 3 paths. But it's possible he might just focus on the two paths now, which are Cuckold and the Romantic path.

 

[Hlextor]

Can Sam's route really be called romantic. I mean I get why people refer to it as a romantic path, Sam acting like a hopeless romantic etc but behind this facade the reality isn't pure at all. The guy too wants Sophia's body. We do know what he thinks about Sophia from his exchange with Dylan in the initial game days.

I don't want to use any negative terms but I wouldn't really call something with such adulterated or impure intentions a romantic path. It's just another approach to deceive Sophia and get in her pants.
Though yeah .....Everyone's free to have their own opinion.

I agree with you. Sam is the weasel. We have recognized that. But Sophia did not. And from her point of view, it is portrayed romantically. She feels the way he presents himself to her is loving and romantic. Even though he's talking obscenely about her to Dylan. "She´s a hot milf, everyone at school would like to fuck her, etc" .
I'm just wondering if this portrayal of Sam is intentional on L&P's part?

 

[ShawnLee95Gamer]

..if only all L&P's critics made a game ( how they think they would do better) than everyone would be happy

 

[Atton563]

Yes true, what is L&P's thought process behind writing Sam is what matters. Does L&P himself consider it a romantic route or will he classify this route differently.

I think Sam is intended to be a romantic route and have Sophia fall in love with him but the way he has been written so far I don't know his character is a little all over the place hence some of us seeing him as a sycophant. Maybe Sam has meant to have evolved as a character and we are supposed to see him as a hopeless romantic who really is in love with Sophia and has no ulterior motives? Also if she's going to be sleeping with her kids and most of her friends and maybe some students too is she really in love? Perhaps she really likes Sam and is willing to sleep with him as they have lots in common and he says the right things to her but it's just fun for her and not love. Either way won't matter to my Sophia she only interacts with him to get those Dylan points.

 

[nexer]

I don't think we're going to have a teaser for the second part of the concert, we'll jump right into Cathy.

 

[bayrischman]

A 5% increase on rendering is a joke, I don't know why is that even there since its just batch rendering on his own computer.
Select Batch render
Select files
Click
Wait


Thats it, is he trying to give the impression that he's working while rendering scenes?
Time for a render farm was yesterday.

a slow process that soon falls asleep. he won,t finish the sam event until mid-october.

 

[qzbuyfhsef]

Hello,

any idea of the potential release date of the next update? and its content?

And one last thing, what will happen the next day in game? (update next year) <3

Sorry for my bad english too and thx for your answer.

AWAM = best game ever <3

 

[F4iunyl3x]

Almost 4 years of development :
- more than 9k renders
- all of this for almost only blue balls scenes (nobody gives a damn about the good wife route, be honest)

what an achievement ! some have dreamed of it, L&P finally did it

 

[keefer43]

I don't think we're going to have a teaser for the second part of the concert, we'll jump right into Cathy.

Does Cathy know about this?

 

[BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM]

Hello,

any idea of the potential release date of the next update? and its content?

And one last thing, what will happen the next day in game? (update next year) <3

Sorry for my bad english too and thx for your answer.

AWAM = best game ever <3

You tell us L&P