VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Sabertooth__]

Sophia was completely aware of how dangerous the subway is. Patricia told her - it's the reason she has a gun. That's what makes the subway scene unbelievable. The only reason for the scene at all is L&P hinting at rape content further down the line.

I don't remember any dialogue about the subway being dangerous. Patricia keeps the gun for going downtown and she asked Sophia to carry pepper spray which she did. Plus Sophia I guess expected to leave earlier than she was able to from Claire's place. Also this was her first time with the subway so there was no way of knowing for her that the station will be so empty.

My best bet for the upcoming bar scenes is that Sophia will get drunk before she goes wild. She can expose her boobs after losing herself in alcohol and music. This may also help accelerating the following events in the story...

If he does then the alcohol cliche will become way too overused. Also I believe Bane71 mentioned clearly that alcohol will not be a deciding factor at all.

Rape has already been ruled out by L&P. But task #3 was awfully close, since Aiden went out of his way to hide his identity so that Sophia would allow him to grope her.

And technically the second side job counts as rape too, since the boys are under the age of consent. If this was real life instead of a game, Sophia would have been jailed for what she did.

L&P will probably find some way to rationalise whatever content he is planning.

I'm still expecting something stupid like the bikers getting their floppies and L&P calling it a "hot hetero event".

Rape is something way too different. Rape necessarily needs to involve penetration. You are really making a mountain out of a molehill by calling those acts rape.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I don't remember any dialogue about the subway being dangerous. Patricia keeps the gun for going downtown and she asked Sophia to carry pepper spray which she did. Plus Sophia I guess expected to leave earlier than she was able to from Claire's place. Also this was her first time with the subway so there was no way of knowing for her that the station will be so empty.


If he does then the alcohol cliche will become way too overused. Also I believe Bane71 mentioned clearly that alcohol will not be a deciding factor at all.


Rape is something way too different. Rape necessarily needs to involve penetration. You are really making a mountain out of a molehill by calling those acts rape.

So it might be sexual assault and not rape. They're still serious crimes.

 

[Sabertooth__]

So it might be sexual assault and not rape. They're still serious crimes.

There are numerous crimes happening in this game. All storylines with sexual acts with 18- characters is a crime since Sophia is 21 yrs older than them at the least. All storylines like Dylan, Sam, Ellie, Julia etc etc. But are we going to go back to talking about what is a crime and what is not. We have discussed that in detail previously. Even in the real world all of this happens and is punishable if caught but most of the times such things only stay behind closed doors.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

There are numerous crimes happening in this game. All storylines with sexual acts with 18- characters is a crime since Sophia is 21 yrs older than them at the least. All storylines like Dylan, Sam, Ellie, Julia. But are we going to go back to talking about what is a crime and what is not. We have discussed that in detail previously. Even in the real world all of this happens and is punishable if caught but most of the times such things only stay behind closed doors.

the real crime here is 9 months of waiting for some fabric and some pigeons

 

[Bane71]

the real crime here is 9 months of waiting for some fabric and some pigeons

Right! L&P rapes us with a long wait!

 

[r0rschack]

There are numerous crimes happening in this game. All storylines with sexual acts with 18- characters is a crime since Sophia is 21 yrs older than them at the least. All storylines like Dylan, Sam, Ellie, Julia etc etc. But are we going to go back to talking about what is a crime and what is not. We have discussed that in detail previously. Even in the real world all of this happens and is punishable if caught but most of the times such things only stay behind closed doors.

I wish these crimes happened to me when I was in college

 

[hzjujk]

Rape is something way too different. Rape necessarily needs to involve penetration. You are really making a mountain out of a molehill by calling those acts rape.

For me, any kind of forced sexual act is rape. I am not willing to compromise on the designation of these events. But as you said, we don't have to start a new discussion about it. However, it should also be fooled in this forum that many of these fetishes that we play are punishable in the real world and do not try to explain them away.

 

[nexer]

What do we do when the adult friend (early 20) takes the minor friend to the whores? This of course after much pleading, and there they run into 30-something-year-old ladies.

 

[r0rschack]

What do we do when the adult friend (early 20) takes the minor friend to the whores? This of course after much pleading, and there they run into 30-something-year-old ladies.

We stand there and say "Nice", South park style

 

[t3alqdansam]

I understand what you're saying but for me a woman didn't have to have large breasts to be devastatingly attractive. I still feel exactly the same half a century later, or in other words the woman's bust didn't have to be comprised of mega-mammaries to create your "first stop" in my case. Where I'm concerned & very much speaking personally, I was prone to like shapely, as opposed to huge, breasts back then (& they could be of any size, big included), i.e. precisely how Sophia used to be & she could hardly have been called small in that regard.

At some point L&P, for reasons best known to himself but at which I can make a reasonable guess, decided 36b wasn't enough & increased to 44DD, or thereabouts. [Anna in AEA has always been the same size]. I came close to leaving the fanbase when this occurred, because to me it was comparable to her nose being extended by an inch & then everyone having to pretend it had always been this way. That romper exacerbates the issue, because at 38 years old it is highly unlikely that any woman's breasts of that size would defy gravity the way they do. They jar on me because, unlike the shota etc., they can't be avoided.

It's not the same as Dylan or Ellie 'growing up' in their general facial features & appearances, because we are here talking about a fundamental sexual aspect of the VN. If the majority don't find it important or actually love the "jugs", as they've become, there's not much I can do, hence the half-hearted acceptance you rightly detect in my post. I keep banging on about them because I hope the Dev may read this thread sometimes & at least give it a second thought before he increases them again to DoD proportions. As it stands now Sophia looks like many another porn game stereotype. I deplore this fact but I'm still here.....for now.

I agree with your basic premise. She was more of a 36 C or small D cup at the start and that was just fine. She had a waist, hips, nice legs and beautiful face. I myself am stopped by eyes and a great head of hair. Fascinatingly, in this time of masking, the eyes have it. I am also one who looks for minimal makeup. I was a youth at the end of the hippie era in the mid 70s. A natural beauty rocks me.

Gravity affects women differently depending on many factors from genetics, physical activity, structural modifications etc... . In her mid 50s my wife is still in defiance of Mr Newton's discovery. Much like Sophia is presented now and, as Sophia presented, the cause was children. I am not complaining mind you. Dr.Fapalot did a bit of webmd research on this a while back in the thread. It was nothing new to me but, may explain much to others.

Why L&P went this route is a good question? It clearly was a violation of his "With Class" concept since the change occured after first release (No pun intended).

 

[nexer]

That's what worries me. If it does happen & all we get is Sophia partially enjoying public exposure again, it will be one of the most unrealistic scenes so far, to rank alongside taking the subway at night after being warned about the city by Patricia & the daft drive to the workplace for a shower, having just had a bath. I hope something different happens.

A discussion hasn't started in the forum because we don't have a teaser. We have an overview but no details, how close they are to each other, where the two are holding hands (very important) ...
For example, if one's hands are on the other's hip, it's sexual

 

[t3alqdansam]

Speculation here & on the fan art thread over the latest teaser/spoiler, which to me & many others is just a blur, suggests that something "wild" could happen at the concert. Even the blur seems to show that Sophia & Patricia have chosen to dance provocatively in the bar & put themselves on display for the discerning gentlemen of that establishment.

I don't propose to go again through the various reasons I thought the romper was a bad choice, or the sheer stupidity of Sophia putting those beach balls in the shop window but the crowd chanting, "show us your tits" does seem very plausible to me, as to a lesser extent, does Patricia obliging by lifting Sophia's top up or down, which has been suggested as a response.

I noticed a strange thing over the last month, speaking as someone who has defended the blackmail & coercion in what is after all a corruption game. Righteous indignation & howls of protest regarding the activities of Aiden & Bennett, (remember him?), these I've tried to defend against & counter on numerous occasions. I don't just defend but actively enjoy what the scurrilous pair get up to. Sometimes I've felt like part of a tiny minority. Now, ironically, it's me who doesn't care for the possible, even probable consequences of the sister's activities, or their seemingly naive gyration into real danger, while the majority of fans appear to have no undue worries about the situation.

This is because what could happen in such a setting, with such a well-knit group to encourage each other & demand more & more, would be at an entirely different level & I mean BAD. Now of course we've been assured that there will be no rape in this game but there are things arguably just as bad or worse that can happen with all the ingredients present. It wouldn't follow on from the art class, that's certain. Once more back to my younger years but I'll give you 3 guesses what can be done with a beer bottle & a crowd of inebriated men & NO I wasn't one of the perpetrators but I knew the woman it happened to. It's about realism, yet again. This is probably one time when it's better that we no longer seem to have it in AWAM.

From the first reveal of the interior of the bar, and the patrons, I have been disappointed (Dang Spoiler popped in the open). The "Style and Realism" claimed by L&P is going out the window like the contents of a 1400's chamber pot. Are Neil and Amber so detached from Sam and Sam's band that they are not checking up on where he is going for the first concert? And neither of them are attending to support him. It is not like Elwood and Jake who were adults and had even served time at Joliet. Sam is still in high school and Neil and Amber are oblivious? Let me call Child Protective Services.

I agree with this and said so in the past. The implication of a biker bar and the reality of that is going to be so in contrast to what he is presenting (even, as pointed out, the backing in of the bikes vice just driving up). What can Snake Plisken do to control these beasts in their den?

 

[t3alqdansam]

For me, any kind of forced sexual act is rape. I am not willing to compromise on the designation of these events. But as you said, we don't have to start a new discussion about it. However, it should also be fooled in this forum that many of these fetishes that we play are punishable in the real world and do not try to explain them away.

Completely concur!

 

[t3alqdansam]

I agree with you on this. It will indeed be very unrealistic if she exhibits her breasts to the people at the bar. Even getting upto dance intimately with Patricia in her romper ( specifically her boob pockets ) Infront of those scary looking men in an unfamiliar bar would need a believable explanation.
The going to school for a bath was a bit of stretch indeed, almost like how compulsive or addicted people can't control themselves, she could have just gone to amber's house for it.

The subway one is still believable to me. In a new city maybe she was not aware that subways can get so empty at around that time. In my city even the last ones are pretty full. Also in general most cities are said to be dangerous at night but you still see people out. I more reasons to be believe it wasn't unrealistic but that's not our discussion.
Hopefully whatever happens at the bar is not a stretch and can be explained in a realistic manner.

Amber's house would have had the same water issue as it was a general outage. But, SHE has a damn pool in the back yard. Seriously take a dip, swim a few laps, let your air bags work for you. Worst case you go to the gym in the morning. The whole night time run to the school was utter BS.

The subway, seriously, in the time of Uber and Lyft. Another total BS event forced to achieve a situation.

Please stop bringing up these preposterous things L&P has done that reminds us how little "Class" is involved in the story.

Please note Saber the attitude is not against you but, the more I consider the weakness of the story and here we are about to enter the 'Biker" bar!

Disappoint!

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[t3alqdansam]

My best bet for the upcoming bar scenes is that Sophia will get drunk before she goes wild. She can expose her boobs after losing herself in alcohol and music. This may also help accelerating the following events in the story...

L&P has said alcohol will not be part of the event.

 

[t3alqdansam]

I don't remember any dialogue about the subway being dangerous. Patricia keeps the gun for going downtown and she asked Sophia to carry pepper spray which she did. Plus Sophia I guess expected to leave earlier than she was able to from Claire's place. Also this was her first time with the subway so there was no way of knowing for her that the station will be so empty.


If he does then the alcohol cliche will become way too overused. Also I believe Bane71 mentioned clearly that alcohol will not be a deciding factor at all.


Rape is something way too different. Rape necessarily needs to involve penetration. You are really making a mountain out of a molehill by calling those acts rape.

So, you are new to a city. You are unaware of the safe and unsafe areas. What would be your first choice of transportation? Oh the Subway. Those have stellar reputations worldwide, NOT! At best, this is a demonstration of Sophia's naivete or stupidity. Take your pick. Or it is just a clear demonstration of L&P using a forced situation to drive a narrative. Maybe he is not the great story teller we think. Maybe we are just overlooking the weaknesses because of the times he gets it right and his artwork.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Amber's house would have had the same water issue as it was a general outage. But, SHE has a damn pool in the back yard. Seriously take a dip, swim a few laps, let your air bags work for you. Worst case you go to the gym in the morning. The whole night time run to the school was utter BS.

The subway, seriously, in the time of Uber and Lyft. Another total BS event forced to achieve a situation.

Please stop bringing up these preposterous things L&P has done that reminds us how little "Class" is involved in the story.

Please note Saber the attitude is not against you but, the more I consider the weakness of the story and here we are about to enter the 'Biker" bar!

Disappoint!

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I believe the subway is not total BS because thousands of people everyday even in this day and age use subways.

So, you are new to a city. You are unaware of the safe and unsafe areas. What would be your first choice of transportation? Oh the Subway. Those have stellar reputations worldwide, NOT! At best, this is a demonstration of Sophia's naivete or stupidity. Take your pick. Or it is just a clear demonstration of L&P using a forced situation to drive a narrative. Maybe he is not the great story teller we think. Maybe we are just overlooking the weaknesses because of the times he gets it right and his artwork.

Okay, I don't know about your place but I recently have started staying in a new city and had to use subways for the first time. You have to start somewhere. Plus since numerous people use subways on a daily basis it is a lot safer I feel.

Sophia firstly didn't expect to be so late. Secondly the general assumptions are that the subway stations are full or have people, especially in a glamorous city like the one L&P is presenting. Or the assumption that subways are safe to use can also come from her experiences in her previous city, the subways never must have been a trouble for her and so it seems like a casual option to take.

This is more like lesson learnt for Sophia to not take the subways this late in this city.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I believe the subway is not total BS because thousands of people everyday even in this day and age use subways.

Okay, I don't know about your place but I recently have started staying in a new city and had to use subways for the first time. You have to start somewhere. Plus since numerous people use subways on a daily basis it is a lot safer I feel.

Sophia firstly didn't expect to be so late. Secondly the general assumptions are that the subway stations are full or have people, especially in a glamorous city like the one L&P is presenting. Or the assumption that subways are safe to use can also come from her experiences in her previous city, the subways never must have been a trouble for her and so it seems like a casual option to take.

This is more like lesson learnt for Sophia to not take the subways this late in this city.

Even if she hadn't expected to be as late as she was, she would have taken a taxi home. Hence, taking a subway late at night is BS. During the day, fine. At night, dumb.

 

[Orfus]

Even if she hadn't expected to be as late as she was, she would have taken a taxi home. Hence, taking a subway late at night is BS. During the day, fine. At night, dumb.

And again back to the old topic, Sofia does not make a single choice on her own (not to mention the fictionality of the character), all the choices are made only by the player, that is, you, what stupidity we are talking about...

 

[Orfus]

We want realism in a plot that can't be real initially, reality isn't interesting, you can't have significant events in your life three (at least) times a day, every day, why L&P not bring realism, Sofia just goes to work and... nothing happens - it's not interesting, but we demand realism in an unrealistic situation... And if anything, every metro station always has a security or service... Just watching the story)