VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[ancienregimele]

go the path to Alyssa and see Antonio solve all your worries. just Sayin'.

I've already played it & it's one of my favourite routes.

 

[ancienregimele]

Most useless thread ever.

What was the competition?

 

[ancienregimele]

In that sense, Bennett's blackmail is a better choice. Bennett is a bastard, like Aiden, but he gave the impression of wanting to keep a contract.

Bennett would have fulfilled his side of the bargain. He doesn't want a continuing relationship because he's more of a "notch on the headboard" type of bloke.

 

[t3alqdansam]

If Sophia fulfills all of Aiden's 12 tasks, there is no going back to normal (in the form: "We only do school lessons now."). Actually, this point is reached even earlier. Aiden will never rest. To do this, he would have to respect Sophia and this is already not apparent.
Someone like Morello would respect a contract made. If only because a breach of contract would damage his, Morello's, reputation in the long term. Aiden doesn't care at all about Sophia.
If Sophia resists Aiden, does all her duties, but never submits (no sex with Aiden), Aiden will never accept this defeat. Aiden would not accept even finishing the tasks at eye level. If Sophia submits, recognizes Aiden as her master, why should he give up his willing tool? He would go on and use Sophia to his advantage, even if he no longer fucks her himself.
There will be no joint "keep it up" at this school for both of them. Aiden and Sophia don't know yet, but one of them will leave this school. Sophia was always of the opinion that she could control the situation, but to get rid of Aiden, an external force / influence is necessary now and in the future. Sophia will never solve this problem on her own.
In that sense, Bennett's blackmail is a better choice. Bennett is a bastard, like Aiden, but he gave the impression of wanting to keep a contract.

Interesting. In direct contact I agree Sophia could never solve Aiden. Indirectly, sick Morello on him, have Dylan complete a few more training classes and wax Aiden, set up a scenario where the police are observing and get him for assault, sexual battery etc.... She can get outside actors to help her.

 

[t3alqdansam]

Bennett would have fulfilled his side of the bargain. He doesn't want a continuing relationship because he's more of a "notch on the headboard" type of bloke.

I don't think it is so much a conquest item for him as a interest of the moment. Then off to the next flower. Same effect however.

 

[keefer43]

Interesting. In direct contact I agree Sophia could never solve Aiden. Indirectly, sick Morello on him, have Dylan complete a few more training classes and wax Aiden, set up a scenario where the police are observing and get him for assault, sexual battery etc.... She can get outside actors to help her.

I got the feeling when Aiden was first introduced that she was going to play along until an opportunity came along for her to take charge of the situation. I don't get that feeling anymore really. I think that might be another change that got made mid- flight so to speak.

 

[hzjujk]

Bennett would have fulfilled his side of the bargain. He doesn't want a continuing relationship because he's more of a "notch on the headboard" type of bloke.

That's exactly how I wanted it to be understood.

 

[nexer]

If Sophia fulfills all of Aiden's 12 tasks, there is no going back to normal (in the form: "We only do school lessons now."). Actually, this point is reached even earlier. Aiden will never rest. To do this, he would have to respect Sophia and this is already not apparent.
Someone like Morello would respect a contract made. If only because a breach of contract would damage his, Morello's, reputation in the long term. Aiden doesn't care at all about Sophia.
If Sophia resists Aiden, does all her duties, but never submits (no sex with Aiden), Aiden will never accept this defeat. Aiden would not accept even finishing the tasks at eye level. If Sophia submits, recognizes Aiden as her master, why should he give up his willing tool? He would go on and use Sophia to his advantage, even if he no longer fucks her himself.
There will be no joint "keep it up" at this school for both of them. Aiden and Sophia don't know yet, but one of them will leave this school. Sophia was always of the opinion that she could control the situation, but to get rid of Aiden, an external force / influence is necessary now and in the future. Sophia will never solve this problem on her own.
In that sense, Bennett's blackmail is a better choice. Bennett is a bastard, like Aiden, but he gave the impression of wanting to keep a contract.

it's good that you came to this conclusion, sometimes it takes time to assimilate the facts and the situation. I agree and the evolution is to very bad for Sophia.
For a mature woman like Sophia all this evolution should be recognized after the second task.
And then, I don't think it's a case of absolute naivety, there remains an explanation, not yet openly acknowledged, that Sophia is discovering a very strong sexual side that she can no longer control.

 

[roro]

sabertooth the best defender from the creator. although he always finds new excuses. i ,m curious what sabertooth says when the update comes in february.

I'm curious what you would say when the update comes in December...
And just for the record, I'm not happy with a December release (not with November also), but all this exaggeration about February is a part of a mania (but mostly) depression here on the forum... Most of the participants here predicted a December/November (October if we're lucky) update back when L&P just started to work on it, and we all predicted a slow down in the creation of Sam's concert event. And now when Talcum's chart shows an early December release, people are depressed... Now that he finished with the demanding part, it's pretty realistic to predict a slight acceleration in pace.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

it's good that you came to this conclusion, sometimes it takes time to assimilate the facts and the situation. I agree and the evolution is to very bad for Sophia.
For a mature woman like Sophia all this evolution should be recognized after the second task.
And then, I don't think it's a case of absolute naivety, there remains an explanation, not yet openly acknowledged, that Sophia is discovering a very strong sexual side that she can no longer control.

It’s like Aidens tasks excite her and he can bring her inner slut out of her shell. that she tried to bury deep when she got married

 

[hzjujk]

Interesting. In direct contact I agree Sophia could never solve Aiden. Indirectly, sick Morello on him, have Dylan complete a few more training classes and wax Aiden, set up a scenario where the police are observing and get him for assault, sexual battery etc.... She can get outside actors to help her.

I also thought about the Dylan solution as the ultimate ninja and discarded this solution. It wouldn't work. Aiden would always find a way to harass Sophia further.
Morello, on the other hand, would be like a stroke of fate, with him the threat would be enough. Because if Aiden resisted he would insult the mafia boss himself, Aiden would not have shown him any respect and so it would no longer be about Sophia. Dylan has no chance here as a problem solver.
The question is whether Morello is still available as an option after the 12 tasks. Would Morello then still see Sophia as the sexy woman with class who deserves his respect or just as a slut?

 

[Old Dog]

I also thought about the Dylan solution as the ultimate ninja and discarded this solution. It wouldn't work. Aiden would always find a way to harass Sophia further.
Morello, on the other hand, would be like a stroke of fate, with him the threat would be enough. Because if Aiden resisted he would insult the mafia boss himself, Aiden would not have shown him any respect and so it would no longer be about Sophia. Dylan has no chance here as a problem solver.
The question is whether Morello is still available as an option after the 12 tasks. Would Morello then still see Sophia as the sexy woman with class who deserves his respect or just as a slut?

I still believe that Dylan ninja's skills(cough cough) will be used for something else, maybe Logan perhaps.
So I do agree with hzjujk

 

[hzjujk]

it's good that you came to this conclusion, sometimes it takes time to assimilate the facts and the situation. I agree and the evolution is to very bad for Sophia.
For a mature woman like Sophia all this evolution should be recognized after the second task.
And then, I don't think it's a case of absolute naivety, there remains an explanation, not yet openly acknowledged, that Sophia is discovering a very strong sexual side that she can no longer control.

Do you suggest sex as a drug? But that would also mean that Sophia not only takes everything she can get with the Aiden tasks. Uncontrollable means when she comes back from Aiden she fucks Sam, then Dylan and then the postman and in the evening she lies down with her daughter. And the next day she is starving for Aiden's next task.
I understand what you are trying to say. I also think she should have recognized this after the second task. But this is where the "realism" of the story ends and, in my opinion, it will not be restored by explaining Sophia's behavior as a lifelong suppressed sex addiction.
What I wanted to point out with my first post, however, that there will be no gentle ending / solution for the blackmail story Sophia / Aiden. Unless they fall in love and get married.

 

[hzjujk]

I still believe that Dylan ninja's skills(cough cough) will be used for something else, maybe Logan perhaps.
So I do agree with hzjujk

Do you remember when Dylan was introduced to the Seal? His enthusiasm for learning how to kill with the edge of his hand. And how the instructor reacted to it. The scene in the park with the homeless was the continuation of that.
I think Dylan will get another chance to fight. Maybe Logan too. He maybe he'll win, and really have learned something, if he avoids the fight.
And still conquer the heart of the lovely maiden.

 

[Old Dog]

Do you remember when Dylan was introduced to the Seal? His enthusiasm for learning how to kill with the edge of his hand. And how the instructor reacted to it. The scene in the park with the homeless was the continuation of that.
I think Dylan will get another chance to fight. Maybe Logan too. He maybe he'll win, and really have learned something, if he avoids the fight.
And still conquer the heart of the lovely maiden.

I just thought that Dylan fighting Aiden was a bit too obvious but it could happen I guess.
The thing is though if Dylan does beat up Aiden then Aiden could always come back a 2nd/3rd or even a fourth time to get revenge where as Morello would stop Aiden dead in his tracks.

 

[nexer]

What I wanted to point out with my first post, however, that there will be no gentle ending / solution for the blackmail story Sophia / Aiden. Unless they fall in love and get married.

Agree with this last part except marriage.

As for the other part, the 12 tasks will evolve from doing them as an obligation to doing them as a pleasure. It's mandatory, I think, because it's the only reason to continue with Aiden when the possibilities of stopping appear. Her inner thoughts I think will be like: it's not so bad after all.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

I also thought about the Dylan solution as the ultimate ninja and discarded this solution. It wouldn't work. Aiden would always find a way to harass Sophia further.
Morello, on the other hand, would be like a stroke of fate, with him the threat would be enough. Because if Aiden resisted he would insult the mafia boss himself, Aiden would not have shown him any respect and so it would no longer be about Sophia. Dylan has no chance here as a problem solver.
The question is whether Morello is still available as an option after the 12 tasks. Would Morello then still see Sophia as the sexy woman with class who deserves his respect or just as a slut?

I forget who it was who said that if we get all the way to Task 12, then Sophia's fall into corruption will be complete and irreversible. Personally I think if we get up to Task 8 or 9, then Sophia will be pretty far gone.

I think KillJoys & Alley_Cat have spoken before about the various ways that Sophia can get out of Aiden's tasks - an easy way and a harder way if I remember correctly. If we, as players, don't choose any of those outs, then we can't be surprised if Sophia's path becomes ever darker, assume we get that far in the story.

 

[hzjujk]

Agree with this last part except marriage.

As for the other part, the 12 tasks will evolve from doing them as an obligation to doing them as a pleasure. It's mandatory, I think, because it's the only reason to continue with Aiden when the possibilities of stopping appear. Her inner thoughts I think will be like: it's not so bad after all.

L&P said it will always be blackmail. But the possibility that Sophia Aiden will become a sexy little bitch can on the one hand mean that there will be no end after the 12 tasks. No way out for Sophia. What will come back to the beginning of the discussion.
On the other hand, I think if Sophia really gives in to the joy of accepting Aiden as the lightbringer, there would be the possibility that he would throw her away like a used towel afterwards. He wouldn't be interested anymore. Also an elegant way to get rid of Aiden from a narrative point of view.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I also thought about the Dylan solution as the ultimate ninja and discarded this solution. It wouldn't work. Aiden would always find a way to harass Sophia further.
Morello, on the other hand, would be like a stroke of fate, with him the threat would be enough. Because if Aiden resisted he would insult the mafia boss himself, Aiden would not have shown him any respect and so it would no longer be about Sophia. Dylan has no chance here as a problem solver.
The question is whether Morello is still available as an option after the 12 tasks. Would Morello then still see Sophia as the sexy woman with class who deserves his respect or just as a slut?

Morello could be an option, but if you choose not to follow Sophia/Ellie's path, you get the Casino option that allows Sophia to go home and wait or tell him to leave. On the other hand, if you choose to have Sophia ask him to leave, you close the Morello storyline. So how would that work if you go down that path?

 

[hzjujk]

I forget who it was who said that if we get all the way to Task 12, then Sophia's fall into corruption will be complete and irreversible. Personally I think if we get up to Task 8 or 9, then Sophia will be pretty far gone.

I think KillJoys & Alley_Cat have spoken before about the various ways that Sophia can get out of Aiden's tasks - an easy way and a harder way if I remember correctly. If we, as players, don't choose any of those outs, then we can't be surprised if Sophia's path becomes ever darker, assume we get that far in the story.

Yes, I can remember that the discussions have existed before and will take place again. What I wanted to make clear, however, is that there is no solution for Sophia that she can bring about herself or that can be worked out by friends or relatives. After the 12 task, the solution must lie in the complete annihilation (not necessarily physically) of one of the two protagonists.