VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[t3alqdansam]

Says who exactly? If you and your partner are happy and the relationship is fulfilling for both of you, why wouldn't it be healthy? I personally wouldn't mind a route like that with Sophia and Liam.

I completely agree that the poster your responded to has very little clue. It is a variable dependent on the players involved.

 

[t3alqdansam]

Since the game is set in America, shouldn't that be Rankine instead of Kelvin?

Actually, Kelvin is a callsign given to an aviator that fits the role. Brutal but, usually accurate and means he gets lots of extra attention to raise his skills to a warm level. Definitely not the Shit Hot scale.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Swapping is being brought into the game through Cathy and we might see more of it. But the filthy route is primarily Sophia cheating on Liam. And keeping that aside how is that woman supposed to have a happy life after, fucking her best friend's son and daughter, her own son and daughter. Sexual acts with students, sister, maid, old men, friends and so many more.

If he wants to go for a realistic ending I believe it has to be harsh, after these actions there is no way left for a happy life. All of this can happen even on a single route. People call this a Vanilla game very often but this can easily become one of the darkest games here.
Only and only if L&P sticks to his goal of realism, otherwise he could just go for the the typical porn game endings where the husband is a happy cuck and the family fucks each other on a regular basis.

Put aside the filthy route for now, because I agree that it will result in an unhappy/messy ending.

But swapping on the GW route could either work for Sophia and Liam, or it may not. I'm hoping that swapping could be a good thing for them that helps spur their love life in healthy ways. That's all I'm saying. The original post I quoted suggested that swapping wouldn't work because Sophia wouldn't be into it. I'm hoping that she will be and that everyone will live happily ever after.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Put aside the filthy route for now, because I agree that it will result in an unhappy/messy ending.

But swapping on the GW route could either work for Sophia and Liam, or it may not. I'm hoping that swapping could be a good thing for them that helps spur their love life in healthy ways. That's all I'm saying. The original post I quoted suggested that swapping wouldn't work because Sophia wouldn't be into it. I'm hoping that she will be and that everyone will live happily ever after.

Same with Nathalie. It's hinted in the last GW event that Liam would be into a threesome with Nathalie. And if that were to happen, it would be a brief fling just for a change, and then Sophia and Liam would go back to their normal habits.

The 1 Filthy point you gain by doing the entire Nat event barely puts a dent in the GW points if you're playing the GW route. From memory you go from -34 Filthy points to -33.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Put aside the filthy route for now, because I agree that it will result in an unhappy/messy ending.

But swapping on the GW route could either work for Sophia and Liam, or it may not. I'm hoping that swapping could be a good thing for them that helps spur their love life in healthy ways. That's all I'm saying. The original post I quoted suggested that swapping wouldn't work because Sophia wouldn't be into it. I'm hoping that she will be and that everyone will live happily ever after.

The original post you quoted, I don't agree with that post at all as well. Swapping can lead to a better sex life. So I agree with this post of yours.

I believe the swapping in the good wife route will lead to a happy healthy life whereas the one of the filthy route could actually be detrimental. One thing that I felt really odd in the Cathy event in the Filthy route was that Sophia showed no interest in the idea whereas Liam seemed all for it. On the good wife route I can understand but on the filthy route she has over a 100+ filthy points. Atleast here she should have been the one to show a little more liking for the idea but maybe she was too scared from almost being caught.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Same with Nathalie. It's hinted in the last GW event that Liam would be into a threesome with Nathalie. And if that were to happen, it would be a brief fling just for a change, and then Sophia and Liam would go back to their normal habits.

The 1 Filthy point you gain by doing the entire Nat event barely puts a dent in the GW points if you're playing the GW route. From memory you go from -34 Filthy points to -33.

Personally I think it would make the most sense for Natalie to have two completely independent routes- one of the GW route and the other of the FW route. She's a character that definitely skirts both routes and could be a fun addition for a threeway on the GW route, or a lesbian lover for Sophia to cheat with on the FW route. Creating two separate stories for her would be too much for L&P, so I don't expect it, but it would be fun.

 

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The swapping route looks terrible in terms of dialogue.
From Liam is such a "oh yeah she looks very good, you could go take it in the ass for all I care with Andy".
Seems like the writing is getting worse tbh or maybe the writing is only good on subjects that L&P likes and puts in the effort.

 

[Sabertooth__]

have been hearing this for a year and 2, no sex scene is coming in next update, those are mirages, if you complain then he would say that u don't know what "sex scene" really mean, and real sex scene is all about"quality render, touching, kissing etc".
It's a blue ball game without Hope.

Everybody knows there are no sex scenes in the next update. Infact if you pay attention to the thread you will know he has clearly announced when there will be sex scenes in a recent patron post.

He never said that people don't know what sex scene is. Don't mistake erotism for sex. And though I am not liked for saying this, I couldn't care less if there is never a sex scene in the game. I just want good writing with well presented erotic scenarios. I'm not against sex scenes but I don't really care for them.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

The swapping route looks terrible in terms of dialogue.
From Liam is such a "oh yeah she looks very good, you could go take it in the ass for all I care with Andy".
Seems like the writing is getting worse tbh or maybe the writing is only good on subjects that L&P likes and puts in the effort.

I think everyone agrees that the scene with Andy and Cathy was really poorly written.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Personally I think it would make the most sense for Natalie to have two completely independent routes- one of the GW route and the other of the FW route. She's a character that definitely skirts both routes and could be a fun addition for a threeway on the GW route, or a lesbian lover for Sophia to cheat with on the FW route. Creating two separate stories for her would be too much for L&P, so I don't expect it, but it would be fun.

True. I'd much prefer if she stayed on the lesbian route, I'm just not keeping my hopes up.

The swapping route looks terrible in terms of dialogue.
From Liam is such a "oh yeah she looks very good, you could go take it in the ass for all I care with Andy".
Seems like the writing is getting worse tbh or maybe the writing is only good on subjects that L&P likes and puts in the effort.

Or sees where the money is. From memory is shortened the morning GW event just because Liam isn't the most popular.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

True. I'd much prefer if she stayed on the lesbian route, I'm just not keeping my hopes up.

Or sees where the money is. From memory is shortened the morning GW event just because Liam isn't the most popular.

That's a vicious cycle to get in to. Liam hasn't had many scenes which definitely contributes to his (lack of) popularity. If he keeps cutting Liam material then it's just going to make the situation worse. I really wish we'd get more from Liam so that we could develop his character more fully.

 

[Alley_Cat]

That's a vicious cycle to get in to. Liam hasn't had many scenes which definitely contributes to his (lack of) popularity. If he keeps cutting Liam material then it's just going to make the situation worse. I really wish we'd get more from Liam so that we could develop his character more fully.

Oh, I don't think that matters that much. I'm pretty sure the overwhelming reason for his unpopularity is simply because he's the husband, and most find him vanilla. Certainly doesn't help that he hasn't many scenes though.

 

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Why do you think that. Except for Liam's over enthusiasm I didn't feel anything out of place. It was a very stagnant scene as during the whole conversation the renders weren't even changing which contributed to making the scene less engaging.

He skipped the unnecessary talk and got to the crux because making additional renders and writing unnecessary dialogue would only prolong a scene which has nothing sexual in it and of course no one would be interested in that. I liked how Cathy and Andy weren't going into or were already in the swinger lifestyle. They wanted to try it once and rely on their friends due to the discomfort of a typical bachelor party, so the reasoning seemed fine to me.

The scene was lackluster but I believe there was really no point in putting a huge amount of effort into that scene when nothing erotic was going to happen. The whole purpose of the scene was to just pitch the idea of swinging, we don't even have to make a decision regarding that as of now.

Thank you for coming to our house
We dont want those dirty stag parties so I was wondering if I can fuck your husband and Andy was wondering if he can fuck you..
We're totally cool if not.
Sorry to drop this one on you guys just like that.
Bye take care

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Why do you think that.

The scene was lackluster

The scene was really boring, abrupt, and felt lazy. It reminded me a lot of the sauna scene. L&P is not a strong writer of conversational dialog. He does ok when the situation is sexually charged like the hot tub with Sam, but when scenes require plot development outside of sex, L&P struggles to make compelling dialog.

For the swapping conversation, he tells us how close the four of them are, but we never see a closeness in the dialog. Everything was very stilted, focusing on a point by point approach to the conversation. It wasn't fun, it wasn't sexy, it wasn't engaging. It was purely functional. In a game with 1,000 images, the lack of images in the scene was just lazy, and the writing reflected that. This scene existed purely to set up future events and was treated as an afterthought.

 

[BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM]

He skipped the unnecessary talk and got to the crux because making additional renders and writing unnecessary dialogue would only prolong a scene which has nothing sexual in it and of course no one would be interested in that. I liked how Cathy and Andy weren't going into or were already in the swinger lifestyle. They wanted to try it once and rely on their friends due to the discomfort of a typical bachelor party, so the reasoning seemed fine to me.

Tbf L&P did what we've been saying for a while now: re-use renders when they are talking, no need for many micro expressions, and limit dialogue to a minimum. We can't really fault him for doing what "we" asked on scenes no one is going back to check twice so kudos to him, in a way.
The whole update felt a bit poorly written though, I'm guessing he tried to rush it.
Curious to see how the update per event will run, maybe he gets on track.

 

[BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM]

The scene was really boring, abrupt, and felt lazy. It reminded me a lot of the sauna scene. L&P is not a strong writer of conversational dialog. He does ok when the situation is sexually charged like the hot tub with Sam, but when scenes require plot development outside of sex, L&P struggles to make compelling dialog.

For the swapping conversation, he tells us how close the four of them are, but we never see a closeness in the dialog. Everything was very stilted, focusing on a point by point approach to the conversation. It wasn't fun, it wasn't sexy, it wasn't engaging. It was purely functional. In a game with 1,000 images, the lack of images in the scene was just lazy, and the writing reflected that. This scene existed purely to set up future events and was treated as an afterthought.

I think its sort of established that L&P is putting a lot of filler into his initial story to make this drag as long as possible so I'm guessing that all the good scenes were scenes he had in his head to eventually happen in the story initially and the rushed scenes are scenes he's making almost on-the-spot. Just a theory

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Tbf L&P did what we've been saying for a while now: re-use renders when they are talking, no need for many micro expressions, and limit dialogue to a minimum. We can't really fault him for doing what "we" asked on scenes no one is going back to check twice so kudos to him, in a way.
The whole update felt a bit poorly written though, I'm guessing he tried to rush it.
Curious to see how the update per event will run, maybe he gets on track.

This is fair, and I don't want to be a hypocrite and say that the scene needed 300 renders. But the renders he used were just really boring. Very simple back and forth shots, with standard blocking, no creativity. But if the writing had been better it would have been ok. But we see that L&P lives and dies by his renders. When he takes shortcuts with his renders, I think it exposes his writing more than usual. If he's going to take short cuts with his renders then he needs to write dialog that is more compelling than what we got in the swapping scene.

 

[keefer43]

Or Liam has great sex with Cathy and last a lot longer than he has done with Sophia and able to carry on having sex with Cathy for much of the night.
Sophia is concerned by this and wonders how can he last this long with Cathy but not me.
I think that Liam is into the partner swopping but Sophia is not so sure either way I think that either Liam or Sophia will be unhappy with the partner swopping and my money is on Sophia

I think you might be right - this is not Sophia's idea.

 

[Alley_Cat]

I will agree with this. Even I believe that the scene had nothing interesting going on and it was boring. But fairly I didn't expect much. Once I knew nothing sexual will happen I knew wasn't going to be a fun scene either. The conversations between them as you said never felt too close. But I really don't know if he was even trying to put the effort for it. Maybe he is reverting to the logic of putting in his best for the important scenes and rushing through those which don't have much significance. He had to pitch the idea. He did it with a good enough reason and moved forward.

The conversation was point to point because I guess that's where his real nature shows. We know how in his actual conversations with other people he speaks to the point and keeps it short.

The lack of image was what was really making the scene boring. I can't really blame him because everyone just keeps telling him to reduce the render count and deliver more and more. It got it's purpose across and I expected nothing more from it. It was not brilliant writing, which can also be scene from my review as I have rated this scene low, but I believe that it was intentional choice to not put the effort as it was not worth it.


I never asked him to reuse or remove renders, a lot of people did but I was content with what it was. I liked all of it, the expressions, the flow but it just wasn't there this time. To be honest it did feel like it affected the quality. It wasn't Awam like and the Cathy event is just that. Since nothing erotic is happening the focus is on the conversation and the renders and when there are not enough renders by his standards the scene just feels weak, hence why it even feels abrupt to many and why it was boring visually.

I have always stated that the one thing he should not do is reduce his render requirement. If he feels a scene needs 500 renders I'm all for it. The only thing that he needs to adjust is his speed. Actively reducing render count has negative impact for him.

Except that speed and render count are inextricably linked. If you calculate and average his render count per day over most of his updates, it works out to be about 7 renders per day, fairly consistently. So the only way to reduce the time taken to create an event is to reduce the number of renders.

 

[t3alqdansam]

Why do you think that. Except for Liam's over enthusiasm I didn't feel anything out of place. It was a very stagnant scene as during the whole conversation the renders weren't even changing which contributed to making the scene less engaging.

He skipped the unnecessary talk and got to the crux because making additional renders and writing unnecessary dialogue would only prolong a scene which has nothing sexual in it and of course no one would be interested in that. I liked how Cathy and Andy weren't going into or were already in the swinger lifestyle. They wanted to try it once and rely on their friends due to the discomfort of a typical bachelor party, so the reasoning seemed fine to me.

The scene was lackluster but I believe there was really no point in putting a huge amount of effort into that scene when nothing erotic was going to happen. The whole purpose of the scene was to just pitch the idea of swinging, we don't even have to make a decision regarding that as of now.

Here is the question from the Andy Cathy event. They clearly indicate that the couples had been rather open about sexual discussions before the move. And apparently so for years. In relation to the story then HOW did Sophia show up on day one as so incredibly restricted in her thinking on the subject? What were all those discussions about - the mating habit of Penguins? The whole 'let's just thrust this question' request into the open seems to completely negate the previous (4years real time) 12 PDs that have occurred. Who the hell was the Sophia we have met over this time frame? Where did she come from? Where did the Sophia that was apparently Cathy's friend/big sister these last 12 PDs? Poorly written absolutely!