VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[t3alqdansam]

Because the more you like/love something the more you want of it. And then that desire is not fulfilled and they get angry because they don't get what they demand. We are all the same in that regard. But some are able to wait 10 years others - like Gen Z - want their result right away.

Not saying this is the taj mahal and he should take 22 years to develop it but art needs its time.

42.5 years from now=2 Taj Mahals not counting the 4 years already under the bridge. Yeah, you go ahead and wait for it. He ain't Michelangelo. Though he may see himself as Pharaoh Seti.

 

[t3alqdansam]

it makes me laugh to see so much negativity in this forum
im team l&p
if he says it will be worth waiting 1-2 weeks
it will be
so i have no prob in waiting for it
he says future updates will come quicker i believe that too

I have a Bridge in New York. It is a real cash cow. Can I interest you in buying it?

 

[Adolfo]

Anyone knows how is it going the poll?

 

[darji]

Anyone knows how is it going the poll?

75% say yes

Also I just played no more money which was basically 20-30 Minutes of content. And it was enjoyable. However I think what really missing in AWAM is this kind of presentation including these animations. This would make AWAM S tier XD

 

[t3alqdansam]

Anyone knows how is it going the poll?

Are you asking if Aiden brings a stripper pole to school for the 4th task? That would be interesting.

 

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where did you get that from that he blames himself. i,d be interested, i haven,t heard anything about it.

he's blaming his helper
according to L&P's history he's most likely lying and he has no helper, it's just himself trying to learn some new thing
so in the end he's blaming himself.



Now everyone please think with me for a second.

1. L&P has a helper creating a bonus event
2. According to L&P the helper is the one dragging this development cycle else he (L&P) would already be finished
   1. If L&P is already finished as he says he is with his part, then why isn't the post processing moving or the P&T moving?

If L&P is truly done with his part, how is he spending his time then? Shouldn't he be advancing the other parts of his own work?

 

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Are there solutions to reduce the hate?

In my opinion, he could release shorter updates in less months, he should be based on the number of renders to deliver an update instead of a certain percentange of a day in the story. For example, 330 renders could be enough for an update in 2 months, instead of 1000 renders in 6 months.

Also, he could release updates when he already complete a couple of lewd scenes: for example, the last Alyssa and Julia's events were big and very spicy, he could released an update just with those two scenes in two months. The updates right now are not episodical, like BaDIK, where there's an openning and a closure. Usually the updates here tend to finish in a random situation, there's no point in making them that large to wait 6 months, where the impatience increase.

Are you trolling?

This is exactly what he was supposed to do this time and he managed to TAKE MORE TIME TO DELIVER LESS. Again.

Every year he finds a way that will suposedly decrease production time and then he increases it with some excuse.
Last year was the upgrade in hardware, which was then balanced by moving from native 720p to native 1080p when the upscaler would do just fine, this year is the "new special dev developing the new special thing".

 

[darji]

Are you trolling?

This is exactly what he was supposed to do this time and he managed to TAKE MORE TIME TO DELIVER LESS. Again.

Every year he finds a way that will suposedly decreate production time and then he increases it with some excuse.
Last year was the upgrade in hardware, which was then balanced by moving from native 720p to native 1080p when the upscaler would do just fine, this year is the "new special dev developing the new special thing".

Do you play oher games? The updates of other games are basically the same. L&P is not slower than other developers even of Big games like being a Dik. NLT basically releases a update maybe every 2 weeks which is ONE scene and some grind shit. Normal game time is 10 Minutes if you do not skip. No More Money Update was just released its 20-30 Minutes for 2+ Months.

University of Problems had an Upddate like every month which takes like 15 Minutes to play. That the "industry" because of the fact they are doing Patreon and not release a game when it is done.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

Do you play oher games? The updates of other games are basically the same. L&P is not slower than other developers even of Big games like being a Dik. NLT basically releases a update maybe every 2 weeks which is ONE scene and some grind shit. Normal game time is 10 Minutes if you do not skip. No More Money Update was just released its 20-30 Minutes for 2+ Months.

University of Problems had an Upddate like every month which takes like 15 Minutes to play. That the "industry" because of the fact they are doing Patreon and not release a game when it is done.

viper does not criticize the delay, but the broken promises and absurd apologies of L & P. it's its only flaw

 

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Do you play oher games? The updates of other games are basically the same. L&P is not slower than other developers even of Big games like being a Dik. NLT basically releases a update maybe every 2 weeks which is ONE scene and some grind shit. Normal game time is 10 Minutes if you do not skip. No More Money Update was just released its 20-30 Minutes for 2+ Months.

University of Problems had an Upddate like every month which takes like 15 Minutes to play. That the "industry" because of the fact they are doing Patreon and not release a game when it is done.

L&P releases 15min updates (if you dont skip anything) in 5/6 months. He is in fact slower than other developers, and for someone who acts like some perfectionist god, he's one of the worst when it comes to manage his own time/setting up deadlines and the best at failing to meet expectations and being an example of what diminishing returns is.

L&P would maybe do better as a very well paid render artist but he's terrible at managing his own project and we see that a lot in every industry. People that are very good at a specific skill but then poor at everything else.

Edit: and with this space moving fast (jsut compare animations from today to animations from a year ago) I believe that even the very good render quality wont save AWAM from looking dated as an erotic/porn game in a couple of years, in which he'll only advance one more playable day.

edit2: I just noticed you said that he is not slower than BADik's dev. That is ridiculous. Badik puts out like 3/4x more content than AWAM in almost the same amount of time. How can you just lie and expect people who have been here for years to just read it and pretend its true? NLT releases, in your words, 20 min content per month (10m*2), thats 100 minutes of content in the same time that it takes L&P to do 2 events. Let that sink in.

 

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Do you play oher games? The updates of other games are basically the same. L&P is not slower than other developers even of Big games like being a Dik. NLT basically releases a update maybe every 2 weeks which is ONE scene and some grind shit. Normal game time is 10 Minutes if you do not skip. No More Money Update was just released its 20-30 Minutes for 2+ Months.

University of Problems had an Upddate like every month which takes like 15 Minutes to play. That the "industry" because of the fact they are doing Patreon and not release a game when it is done.

You ask me if I play other games, say updates of other games are basically the same and then all the examples you give are examples of games that develop faster and with more content than L&P's AWAM.

I'm a bit apalled at what are you trying to do with that post

 

[AchedCroissant]

he's blaming his helper
according to L&P's history he's most likely lying and he has no helper, it's just himself trying to learn some new thing
so in the end he's blaming himself.



Now everyone please think with me for a second.

1. L&P has a helper creating a bonus event
2. According to L&P the helper is the one dragging this development cycleelse he (L&P) would already be finished
   1. If L&P is already finished as he says he is with his part, then why isn't the post processing moving or the P&T moving?

If L&P is truly done with his part, how is he spending his time then? Shouldn't he be advancing the other parts of his own work?

At this point say that his helper is stoper or stoper is L&P with another account

 

[armion82]

stop being so guys negative enjoy this:

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If you ask me,he should completely remove Emma from the game and add more scenes with Elly and Patricia.
I doubt many are waiting for Dylan/Emma and Sophia/Emma.Same thing for Elly/Sam and probably Elly/Logan.

 

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At this point say that his helper is stoper or stoper is L&P with another account

Stoper was in this very thread in 2018 pointing out right away how L&P was lying about technical stuff in order to look like he was working more than he was.

 

[AchedCroissant]

Stoper was in this very thread in 2018 pointing out right away how L&P was lying about technical stuff in order to look like he was working more than he was.

It's all part of his plan to attack himself so that no one suspects BTW I'm just kidding

 

[darji]

You ask me if I play other games, say updates of other games are basically the same and then all the examples you give are examples of games that develop faster and with more content than L&P's AWAM.

I'm a bit apalled at what are you trying to do with that post

No it is not. for Episode 8 of being a Dik I was playing like an hour. For the content of AWAM I was also playinglike 40 Minutes. For University of Problems it took me 20 minutes for the new Update. Now with the changes coming (Render etc) of course it will take more time than usual. Now with his updates he plans do to them ever1-2 Month depnding on the content.

Also This is not a dis against the other games I really like them and that why I am patreon for them but saying that L&P is slower than others is just not true. At least regarding the last Update

 

[armion82]

You can't blame him for speed if his story is big. Till day he has been a one man show.

You can compare the speeds with other Devs based on how much they produce in a given time frame not how big their story is.

Does L&P need to be faster than majority Devs ? Definitely yes. He has a lot to tell.

Is it fair to call him slow when he developing almost at the same pace as majority developers but with far better quality ? No.

We know the scope of the story. Had that not be known the issue wouldn't arise of him being slow.

Now the issue is our own weakness, that is curiosity to see what will happen in the future with Sophia and as a result people vent at L&P.

Another factor is the aim. For the audience it is simple, show us what will happen further in the story.

For L&P it is about making an ambitious game. He constantly wants to up the quality.

A clash of the end desires is what is causing this rift. Just as we need to be understanding of what makes this project worthwhile for L&P, he needs to understand what his audience desires.

Hence why even though I definitely wish the pace of development improves, I can't demonize L&P for his pace like most people do. It is a conflict of what each side wants and a hope that L&P will understand at some point what we want or reach a point of satisfaction with quality that the only room left is for the quantity to be improved.

The problem is that he started too big and too wide.
Instead of starting with a smaller game,complete the said game and gain some experience he decide from the start that he will make next Red Dead Redemption,The Witcher 3 and Final Fantasy VII in erotic games.
Not to mention he definitely don't follow his shedule and is constantly distracted.

Really!!! 15 minutes in 6 months. Let's take his biggest update in recent time where even with an absolute collapse in management he managed to make 994 renders in 5.5 months. I am talking of version 0.130.

Now simple maths. 994/15 = 66.27 renders per minute. Means 1.11 renders every 1 second ( 66.27/60 )

You mean to say that not only did you watch every render and read all the text. Including all the huge amount dialogue that Xavier uttered. So much dialogue. Some renders with multiple lines associated to it in just 1 second.

Wow, next time you play, make a playthrough. To show how exactly how do you finish so much in 15 minutes.

Incredible, just incredible

There is one major flow in your thinking-There is no way to see all renders in one play.
Even if you are trying to follow all routes,inevitable you will close some.
Not to mention many people are shutting down alot of routes and some updates for them are simply empty.With the new update if you are not on Ayden and Morello's route,you probably will have less than 5 minutes content even if you read really,really,really slow.

 

[dolfe67]

No it is not. for Episode 8 of being a Dik I was playing like an hour. For the content of AWAM I was also playinglike 40 Minutes. For University of Problems it took me 20 minutes for the new Update. Now with the changes coming (Render etc) of course it will take more time than usual. Now with his updates he plans do to them ever1-2 Month depnding on the content.

Also This is not a dis against the other games I really like them and that why I am patreon for them but saying that L&P is slower than others is just not true. At least regarding the last Update

Bullshit, BaDIK takes at least 2-3 hours on a single path without skipping text. Last update has 4158 renders and 358 animations in 6 months, compare that to L&P there is no match.

AWAM on a single path can be very short, last update I got the scene with Natalie and not much else. Pretty good scene and quite long, but no comparison with badik

 

[lockerxx]

If you ask me,he should completely remove Emma from the game and add more scenes with Elly and Patricia.
I doubt many are waiting for Dylan/Emma and Sophia/Emma.Same thing for Elly/Sam and probably Elly/Logan.

L&P is not going to cut nothing more.

 

[Turret]

Do you play oher games? The updates of other games are basically the same. L&P is not slower than other developers even of Big games like being a Dik. NLT basically releases a update maybe every 2 weeks which is ONE scene and some grind shit. Normal game time is 10 Minutes if you do not skip. No More Money Update was just released its 20-30 Minutes for 2+ Months.

University of Problems had an Upddate like every month which takes like 15 Minutes to play. That the "industry" because of the fact they are doing Patreon and not release a game when it is done.

Chummer, what stuff are you smoking, because it must be really good! Your statement that L&P is not slower than other developers is completely laughable and there is evidence for that!
E.g. "Pale Carnations" updates every 3-4 months with 1500+(often many more) renders, dozens of animations and even the SHORTEST path of new content is 30+ minutes!
"Deliverance" is just one update away from completed. And was updated around every two months with sizable content during development.
"Free Pass" gets updated regularly (at the moment a bit slower since the Dev provenly moved to another country), with content of well over 10 minutes. And in the time L&P needs to make ten minutes of content, Free Pass is updated 3-4 times on average.

In the case of L&P and his development speed, snails are moving into the fast lane to overtake him!