VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

Ok, close enough. Still though, the concept is hard to explain now that we have some distance from it. Some times plot lines don't come together like you expect, and good ideas can go bad, and this was one of those times. I know you liked the idea because it have Dylan some agency over the story because he's otherwise boring. But conceptually I think the idea was fundamentally flawed.

What I'm curious about is whether or not the Twist was actually removed. If you look at the tasks so far, it still looks like the first two could have been Dylan's idea, but Aiden has run with it and added his own (much to Dylan's surprise and without his knowledge). We were even told that the removal of the event wouldn't affect the story significantly.

So the only thing we can be certain of is that the event was removed, and that Sophia didn't find out about Dylan's possible involvement. Which is disappointing to me, because it makes Dylan look even worse. Doing bad is one thing, but not having the courage to admit it and at least try and make reparations borders on unforgivable.

 

[uniformless]

After reading the whole twist about Dylan and Aiden, it's even worse than what I was thinking. In my opinion, it's a good thing it was removed.
Even if I guess I would hate Aiden a little less with this story.

Instead of being a little brat using blackmailing just because "I'm a PuNk bEiNg fRiEnD WiTh GaNg aNd mA uNcLe iS sUch a lAwYer sO I dO wHaT I wAnT, wHaT yu gOnna dO UH!", it would only be a guy going beyond what he was initially asked, taking advantages of the situation. But it was not his idea in the beginning. Still immoral but feel different.

But hurray, now I can still hate him to the fullest

 

[AnimeLasagnaTitties]

I know everyone's moved on but I gotta say I find myself agreeing with a lot of you on the game's update speed on both ends of this, I wish you guys could find some middle ground. I think it's completely understandable how we got to this point, but I also don't think continuing on as the creator is going is gonna work when the expected completion date keeps getting exponentially farther and farther away with each branch and update.

I don't think they're lazy, I think they just need to figure out a solution to this. I don't know if that means splitting the game into 2 or what, I'm no dev, but I do know that this isn't going to finish at this rate. I don't think getting one person to help them out is enough tbh

 

[Atton563]

What I'm curious about is whether or not the Twist was actually removed. If you look at the tasks so far, it still looks like the first two could have been Dylan's idea, but Aiden has run with it and added his own (much to Dylan's surprise and without his knowledge). We were even told that the removal of the event wouldn't affect the story significantly.

So the only thing we can be certain of is that the event was removed, and that Sophia didn't find out about Dylan's possible involvement. Which is disappointing to me, because it makes Dylan look even worse. Doing bad is one thing, but not having the courage to admit it and at least try and make reparations borders on unforgivable.

I think what L&P means when he says it won't affect the story by having it removed is if you don't send Dylan away Sophia would never have learnt of the twist and the Dylan path moves on, if you do send him away she leaves him at the school as punishment for the twist and removes him from the story almost all together almost the same as no twist but she leaves him there for protection instead.

I think it's your dislike of Dylan and personal head canon that won't let you accept that the twist is gone.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

The previous update of AWAM had somewhere between 800-900 renders if I remember correctly, and it took L&P more than 5 months, not 3,5-4.

You are throwing numbers around in L&P's favor, shaving off substantial amounts of time on his development cycles and adding a large amount of renders that are non existent. I get that you're trying to defend L&P, but atleast try to be a bit more realistic.

Just because I'm bored atm.

AWAM - v0.115 Timeframe (1/3) - Total Renders: 470

First Post - 10.7.20


Release Post - 12.8.20


Total Days - v0.115


Stop Gaps between version 0.115 & 0.130 (Personal, Holidays, Vacations, ETC...)

GFX Issue - Due to upgrading his Graphic Cards.


AWAM - v0.130 Timeframe (2/3) - Total Renders: 994

First Post - 1.20.21


Release Post - 6.14.21


Total Days - v0.130


Stop Gaps between version 0.130 & 0.150 (Personal, Holidays, Vacations, ETC...)



AWAM - v0.150 Timeframe (3/3) - Total Renders: 873

First Post - 7.8.21


Release Post - 11.19.21


Total Days - v0.150

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I think what L&P means when he says it won't affect the story by having it removed is if you don't send Dylan away Sophia would never have learnt of the Twist and the Dylan path moves on, if you do send him away she leaves him at the school as punishment for the Twist and removes him from the story almost all together almost the same as no twist but she leaves him there for protection instead.

I think it's your dislike of Dylan and personal head canon that won't let you accept that the Twist is gone.

It doesn't matter if you send Dylan and Zac to boarding school or not. The Twist would be in play because it was the driving force behind the story and in the indirect cause of blackmail by Aiden. We learn of the reason behind it by taking an alternate path. This is why if you want to know the full story, you have to play all the paths and not lock out one because hints and answers are found in other parts of the path.

If you choose not to play all the paths, you're missing critical elements of the overall story.

The manner of how Dylan is acting and the conversation between Sophia and Alyssa in the cafe make absolutely no sense. I said it once, and I'll repeat it; just because you remove one piece of the story because your audience has an adverse reaction to it doesn't mean the story can carry on if you remove one part of that story. He should have gone back and reviewed the storyline after eliminating that piece of the story.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

He says on his patreon page that, "This is my first game of hopefully many more." However, the way time is lengthening in how the story for this game is coming out I seriously doubt he'll ever get the chance to do another game. That's disappointing as I think he's good at what he does in so far as this story goes. He might have been better served if he had started with small test stories first that didn't take much effort to make solo. That way he would have learned from any mistakes he made in the beginning. Then with 2 or 3 small visual tales under his belt he would have been better served in undertaking this story about Sophia which offers a lot of material that can be branched out from with side characters, minor plots, and main story twists. That's a lot for just one person to do. Or by that time he might have found a few other people he could work with to increase his results.

 

[ShawnLee95Gamer]

L&P releases 15min updates (if you dont skip anything) in 5/6 months. He is in fact slower than other developers, and for someone who acts like some perfectionist god, he's one of the worst when it comes to manage his own time/setting up deadlines and the best at failing to meet expectations and being an example of what diminishing returns is.

L&P would maybe do better as a very well paid render artist but he's terrible at managing his own project and we see that a lot in every industry. People that are very good at a specific skill but then poor at everything else.

Edit: and with this space moving fast (jsut compare animations from today to animations from a year ago) I believe that even the very good render quality wont save AWAM from looking dated as an erotic/porn game in a couple of years, in which he'll only advance one more playable day.

edit2: I just noticed you said that he is not slower than BADik's dev. That is ridiculous. Badik puts out like 3/4x more content than AWAM in almost the same amount of time. How can you just lie and expect people who have been here for years to just read it and pretend its true? NLT releases, in your words, 20 min content per month (10m*2), thats 100 minutes of content in the same time that it takes L&P to do 2 events. Let that sink in.

NLT is dedicated & hardworking, putting 16 hours everyday all 7 days of the week ...

Who knows how many hours and days LP works but i doubt its half of wat NLT works ...

LP shouldnt have excuse either as he gets paid enough to only focus on his game..

LP's game is definitely better though cause of the story

 

[ShawnLee95Gamer]

He says on his patreon page that, "This is my first game of hopefully many more." However, the way time is lengthening in how the story for this game is coming out I seriously doubt he'll ever get the chance to do another game. That's disappointing as I think he's good at what he does in so far as this story goes. He might have been better served if he had started with small test stories first that didn't take much effort to make solo. That way he would have learned from any mistakes he made in the beginning. Then with 2 or 3 small visual tales under his belt he would have been better served in undertaking this story about Sophia which offers a lot of material that can be branched out from with side characters, minor plots, and main story twists. That's a lot for just one person to do. Or by that time he might have found a few other people he could work with to increase his results.

Just my opinion ...but i think LP would be better if he build the storyline and let someone else work on renders ...

..imagen NLT & LP working together... NLT making the renders and LP creating the storyline... maybe on another universe timeline haha

 

[palmtrees89]

Just because I'm bored atm.

AWAM - v0.115 Timeframe (1/3) - Total Renders: 470

First Post - 10.7.20
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Release Post - 12.8.20
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Total Days - v0.115
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Stop Gaps between version 0.115 & 0.130 (Personal, Holidays, Vacations, ETC...)

GFX Issue - Due to upgrading his Graphic Cards.
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AWAM - v0.130 Timeframe (2/3) - Total Renders: 994

First Post - 1.20.21
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Release Post - 6.14.21
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Total Days - v0.130
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Stop Gaps between version 0.130 & 0.150 (Personal, Holidays, Vacations, ETC...)

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AWAM - v0.150 Timeframe (3/3) - Total Renders: 873

First Post - 7.8.21
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Release Post - 11.19.21
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Total Days - v0.150
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Interesting read indeed.

Some individuals might get the wrong idea thinking only time spend on development is what counts, though.

If people were to follow such logic, L&P could go AFK for 5 months, come back and start working on the next update for another 5 months, release it, and I'm sure there'd be some individuals arguing that the update only took him 5 months to complete, when in reality from one update to another 10 months have passed, lol.

That's why I always measure the time required from one update to another (which I think most people do, except for ICSTOR patrons maybe), and fact is from 0.130 to 0.150 it took L&P 5 months and some, incase someone wants to argue that this isn't the case.

@Dr.Fapalot This is not addressed to you, I know you've just been bored.

 

[palmtrees89]

Just my opinion ...but i think LP would be better if he build the storyline and let someone else work on renders ...

..imagen NLT & LP working together... NLT making the renders and LP creating the storyline... maybe on another universe timeline haha

???

L&P's strength are renders. There's only a handful of artists capable of producing similar/better quality. His storytelling and writing, at least in my opinion, is what other people could do way better. But renders? Nah.

 

[uniformless]

I'm noticing more and more inconsistencies toward the "end" of the actual content.
Like during

Spoiler: the Aiden's third task

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Or even during

Spoiler: the run with Dylan in the park

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Do you know if L&P usually correct this kind of mistakes with new releases? This is the kind of details which let feel the game is rushed which is kind of ironic when you know the delay between each updates.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I'm noticing more and more inconsistencies toward the "end" of the actual content.
Like during

Spoiler: the Aiden's third task

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Or even during

Spoiler: the run with Dylan in the park

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Do you know if L&P usually correct this kind of mistakes with new releases? This is the kind of details which let feel the game is rushed which is kind of ironic when you know the delay between each updates.

I'm going to say yes and no about correcting mistakes. It basically depends if he feels up to it or not.

 

[t3alqdansam]

Who the fuck are you?
Did anyone ask you all these questions?
Why are you replying in strange FAQ style responses? To make it look official?
Why are you answering them as if you know what the fuck is going on?
Did L&P give you these perfect answers?
Are you L&P himself? Or are you one of his PR "helpers"?

Just a little extreme there. Take a chill pill dude. He was straightforward and presented an idea. Ignore or refute. You have 7 AWAM posts in 2 years and you blow up on him. Wow, hissy fit much!

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Just my opinion ...but i think LP would be better if he build the storyline and let someone else work on renders ...

..imagen NLT & LP working together... NLT making the renders and LP creating the storyline... maybe on another universe timeline haha

I think you have this entirely backwards. While he came up with a good concept, L&P's clear strength is in his artwork. He's an ok storyteller, but a great artist.

 

[Turret]

I think you have this entirely backwards. While he came up with a good concept, L&P's clear strength is in his artwork. He's an ok storyteller, but a great artist.

I agree with you on this. which is a reason why I am so disappointed about the likely course AWAM will take, if ot something substantial changes in the work speed.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I think you have this entirely backwards. While he came up with a good concept, L&P's clear strength is in his artwork. He's an ok storyteller, but a great artist.

There's no doubt that his artwork is what keeps his novel afloat right now. And I'll even say some parts of his story aren't bad at all. IMO, Ellie and Sophia's (with some Patricia scenes) arc is currently good but could use some work. There were some parts in the story that may me go, huh? But it wasn't bad as it had a chronological sequence to it, and it made some sense due to the 30 PD he has to develop their relationship.

On the other hand, Sophia and Dylan need work ASAP. That story is terrible right now. And I don't even want to talk about the second side job and how it went from 0-80MPH in 2 seconds or 2 PDs. I don't even know what his thought process was on that.

 

[ancienregimele]

I agree with you on this. which is a reason why I am so disappointed about the likely course AWAM will take, if ot something substantial changes in the work speed.

He's shown time & again that he'll never relinquish control of the writing. Renders are great, (otherwise most of us wouldn't be here). Writing varies from bad to very good IMO, so on average is more than acceptable. Like yourself & several others I am very disappointed with the way this VN is heading. There's virtually no chance of any characters being written out, or storylines dropped, or even just wrapped up in the near future. Speed of delivery....no point in talking about this anymore. It's now just a case of hanging on while it lasts.

 

[Rodrigo Tannuri]

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[ancienregimele]

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Wake up! There's a new update! (.......in a few weeks)?