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It will be verry fun, when everything is on 100% and the update is NOT coming out.
Nice thought, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that way. We would have an "I hate this guy, but why am I so horny" moment. This inner monologue happens in other games too and I hate that. I then always have the impression the developer ran out of ideas and took the shortcut.
Let's look at the situation Sophia finds herself in. She is being blackmailed and has just survived a humiliating and sexually arousing event. The prevailing state of mind after that will be apprehension and fear. Fear of how people will think about her and concern that the events will sooner or later affect her job/family. (Still, of course, Sophia has been further corrupted by the fourth Aiden task).
If Sophia is to go to Morello, the motivation to do so must remain strong. She is not asking a friend for help but a mob boss. And she must tell / explain the nature of this blackmail to this man if she wants effective help. This should be quite an embarrassing situation for Sophia. And she brings the mafia back into her life, something that should scare a normal mortal.
This means to me the event with Aiden, Andre and Jennifer should not involve any active participation from Sophia. As an observer - by all means, but secretly and in no way with the knowledge of the three people involved. I think this event needs to show Sophia an alternative to Morello's help. It would further corrupt her and at the same time give her hope for an exit option.
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I forgot to write that. So Sophia will have to weigh up whether she goes to the mafia to solve the problem or whether she can use what she has observed in the FUTURE to end the blackmail.
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,,As for Sophia becoming a sex slave.....I'm sorry but that's not correct. She shows strength by following the tasks to protect her son & his friend. It's not even likely that we'll ever see the tasks in double figures, let alone that she will end up like this. IMO it's just another anti-blackmail stance.,,
Aiden's third assignment for Sophia suggests where this will lead, unless Aiden has overdone it for Sophia, and he won't give assignments with other guys anymore. What I doubt about.
ancienregimele
,,As for Sophia becoming a sex slave.....I'm sorry but that's not correct. She shows strength by following the tasks to protect her son & his friend. It's not even likely that we'll ever see the tasks in double figures, let alone that she will end up like this. IMO it's just another anti-blackmail stance.,,
Aiden's third assignment for Sophia suggests where this will lead, unless Aiden has overdone it for Sophia, and he won't give assignments with other guys anymore. What I doubt about.
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I'm glad you said that because active participation, IMO, would stretch the suspension of disbelief to the limit again. Also I can't quite see being a voyeur as one of Sophia's personal kinks, so a one-off event where she watches in morbid fascination would seem more realistic to me. Speaking solely for myself of course.
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These guys talk about Sofia as if it's her who makes the decisions.
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Maybe AWAM puts us in touch with our feminine sides but you must have been reading it, so perhaps you'll soon discover yours.
Being a sex slave is quite a specific role, whether forced or voluntary. There's no way it will happen IMO & we particularly don't need another latex-clad sub, on her knees, on a leash etc., because there's too many out there already & it's not erotic as well as becoming boring...... I believe that something more original will be the outcome, if we ever get to the end of the tasks, which currently will be in about 20 years.
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Something original at the end? I don't think so. Aiden has a specific goal with his tasks. I think there's something hidden in Sophia, something indecent, shameless. And Aiden awakens it with each of his further tasks. I'm still unsure about the theory that this is the end of the blackmailing.
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All kinks can be boring or not erotic to you if you don't particularly like them. Incest not boring with the other countless games? What can be the more original end goal of Aiden? If it's not making her a slut, his sub or simply a liberated woman.
Nowadays quality of a story holds in how it's told more than being original (almost everything has been told in some form, good luck being original)
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I could come up with a few things but I'll keep them to myself because L&P is not receptive to suggestions from pirates. So-called sluts are everywhere in the gaming world in a huge variety of shapes & sizes. That, to me, is boring & I expect better from this Dev. Sophia being corrupted is the essence of the story & depending on how far she goes, will impact all the routes. If she ends up as a complete "slut", let's just say I will be......disappointed, although I suppose it's one logical alternative.
As for incest, I think I've mentioned elsewhere, that for "my generation"....the one The Who sang about, incest didn't exist.
That's not to say that we didn't know of it, (we even learned about it in school as part of Ancient Egyptian history) but simply that it wasn't the subject of porn stories & nobody, not even pornographers, thought it was a mainstream seller. Much like Futa, shota etc., it's acceptance in porn lay far in the future. This is one of the main reasons it doesn't interest me. I understand that the taboo is a big part of the attraction & that it's very popular but there are fashions in porn, as with everything else & who knows what's going to be current when & if this VN comes to a planned end?
Defending Aiden's reputation.
I wonder if those knocking Aiden remember it was hothead Dylan, accompanied by side-kick Zac who actually first initiated the trouble by trying to intervene between Aiden and his gang intimidating other school kids (we don't even know why Aiden was doing that either-possibly for valid reasons?).
In other words Aiden did not technically start the trouble, so in effect the "blackmail" story line, he simply exploited the situation by seeking retribution via his Dylans sexy mom, Sophia, who also clumsily intervened by trying to protect her son, going in feet first.
Unrealistic? That's for the reader to judge but no, I personally have no doubts of realism whatsoever. Bullies exist within schools and RL scenarios everywhere and always will. You can't airbrush them out, you just got to learn either to be a bigger bully yourself, or if not, co-exist, befriend, or know how to avoid them because they can be powerful, very frightening, and can destroy people.
Aiden clearly doesn't need the money. How many kids his age ride around on a classy motorbike wearing leathers like that? Aiden is intelligent, manipulative and possesses natural leadership. Qualities attractive to women. He's the untouchable hard man who lost his mother controlling things at Northtown High until newbie pipsqueak Dylan comes along and tries laughingly to confront him.
I even think Aiden has given Sophia a reasonable deal, and also believe he will keep his word about the tasks ending at 12. He already has clues Sophia will come round to becoming readily complicit to his demands once her early challenges of straight, classroom humiliation diminish (quite possibly by the next update). If so, this will become an increasingly exciting, highly erotic thread because after this point it won't even be blackmail.
For those unaware, this has been L&P's intension all along, I'm surprised the doubters haven't read it. That's why L&P won't give it up, quite rightly, the Morello dimension just another distraction to appease and unnecessarily complicate an already overburdened storyline.
I wonder if those knocking Aiden remember it was hothead Dylan, accompanied by side-kick Zac who actually first initiated the trouble by trying to intervene between Aiden and his gang intimidating other school kids (we don't even know why Aiden was doing that either-possibly for valid reasons?).
In other words Aiden did not technically start the trouble, so in effect the "blackmail" story line, he simply exploited the situation by seeking retribution via his Dylans sexy mom, Sophia, who also clumsily intervened by trying to protect her son, going in feet first.
Unrealistic? That's for the reader to judge but no, I personally have no doubts of realism whatsoever. Bullies exist within schools and RL scenarios everywhere and always will. You can't airbrush them out, you just got to learn either to be a bigger bully yourself, or if not, co-exist, befriend, or know how to avoid them because they can be powerful, very frightening, and can destroy people.
Aiden clearly doesn't need the money. How many kids his age ride around on a classy motorbike wearing leathers like that? Aiden is intelligent, manipulative and possesses natural leadership. Qualities attractive to women. He's the untouchable hard man who lost his mother controlling things at Northtown High until newbie pipsqueak Dylan comes along and tries laughingly to confront him.
I even think Aiden has given Sophia a reasonable deal, and also believe he will keep his word about the tasks ending at 12. He already has clues Sophia will come round to becoming readily complicit to his demands once her early challenges of straight, classroom humiliation diminish (quite possibly by the next update). If so, this will become an increasingly exciting, highly erotic thread because after this point it won't even be blackmail.
For those unaware, this has been L&P's intension all along, I'm surprised the doubters haven't read it. That's why L&P won't give it up, quite rightly, the Morello dimension just another distraction to appease and unnecessarily complicate an already overburdened storyline.
Whilst I agree with much of what you say, if Sophia becomes a willing participant in the tasks, they will cease being blackmail. L&P was asked about this quite a while ago & his answer was along the lines that Sophia would enjoy elements of the tasks but that she wouldn't become a willing sex-gamer with Aiden. Personally, I hope he hasn't changed his mind & that the opt-out will see the blackmail-haters satisfied as they depart the route. If this happens it should, in theory, clear the way for some interesting developments.
Just to nitpick but Dylan didn't try "laughingly to confront him" it's in the story that Aiden was bullying a very young kid (I think he was supposed to be 13) and Dylan was beating him easily until his 6 friends got involved. That just screams to me at least that Aiden without his friends is a coward.
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The twist was taken out of the game. Neither Dylan, nor Zac are involved anymore.
The number 12 was simply taken as a reference by L&P. He could also have said 10 or 14 tasks. It means that Aiden gets Sophia where he wants her with the last 12th task.
They were involved in intervening to protect a lad being picked on by Aiden & co. This is in the script independent of the notorious twist. Aiden selected Dylan as a target because of his actions, noble though they were.
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I may be the guy that convinced him to take out the twist this is a little snip from a conversation me and L&P had in 2020:
For context: Before this I asked him if he would be cool with me tossing Sophia a cameo in a game I was making, he was fine with it. Told him I was a big fan of his game, and it was my favorite game like a big fanboy...
Meanwhile in the forums I said that "The Twist" events make Dylan come off as a psychopath in my book, and destroys his character completely taking him from good to evil.
L&P was like:
Sure, you can use Sophia in your cameo.
And "Psychopath" is a little bit exaggerated. First of all Dylan meant it well and since his mom never listened to him on wearing sexy clothes because she's still hot, he thought this way could work to bring her to do it again, and "free her from her midlife crisis" in which Dylan thinks she is at the moment. And after all, he's just a teenager, a high school kid. That Aiden will go this way he couldn't know and especially not that Sophia would accept it at all.
And the thing is, if Sophia stops Aiden's deal, her storyline will also end with Dylan. Only if Sophia doesn't stop Aiden's blackmailing or find another way how to get rid of him, her storyline with Dylan will conitnue. And Dylan will think, that his plan with Aiden worked to bring his mother into wearing sexy dresses. This is all he wanted. So psychopath is a little bit over the top! But of course it's a somewhat strange plan. But Sophia still decides how far she goes with Aiden and she will have a good option to get rid of hin soon. So, if Sophia chooses to go further with Aiden, then only because she starts liking that blackmailing more and more. And this blackmailing will also turn out in something different later.
And on Dylan's storyline he will still do a lot of nice things for his mom.
So then I was like:
Thanks, and very true I do believe he to some degree his motives may be simply to alleviate Sophia's midlife crisis, and if that were his predominant motive then perhaps psychopath would indeed be a bit harsh of an analysis. Can you however honestly say with a straight face that was his only motive, or his overwhelming primary motive? Looking at things on the other hand one must not forget that the boy has been a bit of a "peeper" spying on her in the shower / getting dressed. He has spanked the monkey to her as well, and it is clear he has been having numerous sexual fantasies about her. So, his own sexual desires could also be included as a perceived motive for his actions.
I have played through your game a number of times analyzing what you have made quite a bit, on top of me being a writer myself that often can predict the next plot point in many stories, but this was still able to surprise me catching me off guard which simply goes as a credit to your writing abilities.
So, his level of psychopathy I would judge based on "Which of his motives does the reader perceive do be strongest?
"I am horny for Sophia" vs "I want to help Sophia out of her midlife crisis". The story has included as it must include a lot more of the "I am horny for Sophia" (Beach changing room scene, begging to see boobs at the store, bikini fashion show to name a few) coming from him much more often than "I want to help with midlife crisis" elements in my opinion. It feels like that scale is heavily weighted to one side.
One must not forget either;
It didn't appear to be a "genuine apology from the heart", more so a "forced apology". Remember, Zac had to punch him in the arm and guilt him into the apology in the first place. So part of his reason for apologizing in the first place is social pressure from one of his best friends, not genuine remorse for his wrongdoings.
Next, one must consider the fact, he mentions "Fight Club" in his reasoning. He got himself beat up on top of beating himself up in the aims of his objectives. One could say he views Tyler Durden as a role model or a person who he would like to be like. Tyler Durden is very clearly a psychopath, perhaps with some mental illnesses in spite of him being a very intelligent, popular, and relatable character.
In the subtext of the game, it can also be seen that Dylan idolized Grand Theft Auto 5 as well as he cares about it enough to put a poster on his wall. The player characters in all the GTA games could be described as psychopaths.
Also on his wall is a "batman" poster. One must not forget the 2012 batman shooting on Colorado. Perhaps he idolizes the Joker character who could be viewed as a psychopath role model as like Tyler Durden. One could argue he looks at himself as batman as well a vigilante.
Then imagine putting Dylan side by side with Sam. Compare and contrast the two as to who has more "pure motives". It's clear Sam can be looked at as the more pure of heart between the two.
(He never comented back about the twist, but the twist was gone the next update.)