VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[xxxorro]

I really appreciated your theory on the interpretation of the teasers that L&P has so far proposed on Aiden's fourth task event, and I'd like to thank you for contributing to the discussion on this thread by proposing your reasoning on the upcoming plot developments of the game (reading posts like yours is, unfortunately, increasingly a rarity on these pages). However, there's something that personally doesn't quite convince me in your theory.
According to your interpretation, if I understand correctly, Sophia would wait for the green light from Aiden to enter a classroom at the school where she teaches. But why wouldn't a teacher feel safe in such a situation? Who would she have to worry about meeting along the hallways of the school where she usually teaches? About other students? About other teachers?
In theory, the ones who shouldn't feel safe should be Aiden and his classmates, if only because they would have to explain how they came into possession of the keys to enter a classroom. If Sophia was, in any way, consenting to go with her students into an empty classroom it would arouse less suspicion if she were the one to lead the way and open the closed classroom. A teacher who opens a classroom followed by students is a common occurrence, vice versa it's something that arouses some suspicion to anyone passing by at that moment. Similarly, using a teacher to keep watch so that no one comes to disturb you in a secluded place is still a risk (what if someone is present in the classroom or arrives from somewhere else that Sophia cannot control?). Your interpretation, as tempting as it is, would make more sense to me if it were Sophia who opened the door: anyone seeing such a scene would have no way of imagining anything ambiguous.
I hope I'm wrong, but in my opinion the scene has been deliberately spoiled (how much we will see when the next update comes out) by the developer himself in response to pressure from his legend tier patrons who complained about having to pay 30 € a month to see Aiden (followed by a shapeless mass of pixels) open the door of a classroom and I don't think we can expect anything but a scene in which Sophia will peek at his three students along the same lines as what we saw in the day 12 with Ellie and Julia by the pool (also in this there were images that did not refer to Sophia's POV).

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Thank you for your kind words, I appreciated!

Let me start from your last part about the release of the teasers because that's what really triggered my theory.
Why covering the image in the first place? If it showed the 3 of them going to the classroom it would have been a "perfect usual" teaser, leaving a lot to imagination without spoiling anything. And why not releasing the full image later on and instead releasing a new teaser that seems to spoil everything.
As I said, those are the questions that I tried to explain with that scenario.
Which is, just to be clear, **just a theory**, it's not a prediction, a wish nor a hope for the story going that way. It is genuinely an attempt to try to explaining the strange choice for releasing the teasers.
I see people have already starting discussing the potential implications of such scenario for the future development of this path and it's quite interesting.

You make a pretty valid point and I think that all depends on the "context" of the event. As I said, even in that scenario there are still a lot of moving variables, from why Aiden is proposing that, why Sophia might accept (or be forced to accept) and so on.
The only explanation that comes to mind to your point is that this is probably happening when nobody is supposed to be there, like e.g. during other classes.
So a teacher wandering around with the students might seem strange to other personnel of the school that might be around. Especially if you know that what you are going to do there is not exactly part of the school program (well probably it can count as anatomy/biology/sex-ed lesson ), you'd prefer not to meet people on your way that might ask questions or report it.
And sure, often hiding things in plain sight is the best way to cover your tracks, so they could all very well go there together under the "authority" of Sophia as if it were a "normal" teacher-students meeting/extra curricular activity.
Another aspect of the story is if this is the first time that Aiden&C are doing such a "meeting". It could be a recurrent thing and they might know their way (i.e. if the classroom is free, who might be around and so on).

Without other details of the story that we don't have I guess we can spend hours speculating and finding examples and counter examples to prove or disprove that scenario. Which is fine by me, the speculation part is what got me addicted to this thread

 

[Hlextor]

Well it isn't L&P's actual quote. So I am not sure if I would actually place my bets on it.
I would put more faith in that line if i could see an actual message from L&P stating that.

But the passage is taken from a conversation (e-mail) between yihman1 and L&P?!

 

[Sadowdark]

So the theory that Adiden is blackmailing Sophia. That she would pay attention to him because he lost his mother and cannot come to terms with the loss. And Sophia is to replace his mother. Somehow I don't like it.

 

[Sabertooth__]

But the passage is taken from a conversation (e-mail) between yihman1 and L&P?!

Maybe you're right and maybe what is written there will come to pass, maybe it won't.

The last thing I heard from L&P about this is his message with me is that Sophia will, in his words "gradually find more and more pleasure in the tasks" and "no she won't actively want the tasks".

So I am wondering if Sophia will not actively want the tasks then what different will this thing become in the future.

 

[Sadowdark]

This theory is more true. Sophia was walking down the school corridor and saw something unusual. She was standing around the corner so that no one could see her. Sophia sees the scene. When Aiden secretly opens the door to the classroom with a stolen key and orders someone to check it is safe and notify the others that they can enter. safely. The door closes. Then he bursts into Sophia's classroom and stares at them.This blurred place might be Aiden's friends

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

They were involved in intervening to protect a lad being picked on by Aiden & co. This is in the script independent of the notorious twist. Aiden selected Dylan as a target because of his actions, noble though they were.

Yes and No. L&P is now using it independently to justify the "Blackmail" with Aiden, but it was initially part of the twist as it was a lie to conceal the nature of The Twist. Sophia questions Dylan before L&P decides to remove The Twist from the novel.

Spoiler: The Twist - Dylan's confession about the weaker students.

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Now, this is where the logical part comes into play. When L&P took The Twist out and left this scene intact with defending the student, One should have thought to themself, if what Dylan was saying was true about the students and teacher, what was the name of the students and teacher involved by the principal or Sophia so they could talk to them, as a teacher and parent which you think should have been brought up as a question if the twist was still intact too. So this is why he should have to revisit this scene after removing The Twist.

Spoiler: Dylan's Explanation - How the fight started.

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[Kirill86]

I may be the guy that convinced him to take out the twist this is a little snip from a conversation me and L&P had in 2020:

For context: Before this I asked him if he would be cool with me tossing Sophia a cameo in a game I was making, he was fine with it. Told him I was a big fan of his game, and it was my favorite game like a big fanboy...

Meanwhile in the forums I said that "The Twist" events make Dylan come off as a psychopath in my book, and destroys his character completely taking him from good to evil.

L&P was like:

Sure, you can use Sophia in your cameo.

And "Psychopath" is a little bit exaggerated. First of all Dylan meant it well and since his mom never listened to him on wearing sexy clothes because she's still hot, he thought this way could work to bring her to do it again, and "free her from her midlife crisis" in which Dylan thinks she is at the moment. And after all, he's just a teenager, a high school kid. That Aiden will go this way he couldn't know and especially not that Sophia would accept it at all.

And the thing is, if Sophia stops Aiden's deal, her storyline will also end with Dylan. Only if Sophia doesn't stop Aiden's blackmailing or find another way how to get rid of him, her storyline with Dylan will conitnue. And Dylan will think, that his plan with Aiden worked to bring his mother into wearing sexy dresses. This is all he wanted. So psychopath is a little bit over the top! But of course it's a somewhat strange plan. But Sophia still decides how far she goes with Aiden and she will have a good option to get rid of hin soon. So, if Sophia chooses to go further with Aiden, then only because she starts liking that blackmailing more and more. And this blackmailing will also turn out in something different later.

And on Dylan's storyline he will still do a lot of nice things for his mom.

So then I was like:

Thanks, and very true I do believe he to some degree his motives may be simply to alleviate Sophia's midlife crisis, and if that were his predominant motive then perhaps psychopath would indeed be a bit harsh of an analysis. Can you however honestly say with a straight face that was his only motive, or his overwhelming primary motive? Looking at things on the other hand one must not forget that the boy has been a bit of a "peeper" spying on her in the shower / getting dressed. He has spanked the monkey to her as well, and it is clear he has been having numerous sexual fantasies about her. So, his own sexual desires could also be included as a perceived motive for his actions.

I have played through your game a number of times analyzing what you have made quite a bit, on top of me being a writer myself that often can predict the next plot point in many stories, but this was still able to surprise me catching me off guard which simply goes as a credit to your writing abilities.

So, his level of psychopathy I would judge based on "Which of his motives does the reader perceive do be strongest?

"I am horny for Sophia" vs "I want to help Sophia out of her midlife crisis". The story has included as it must include a lot more of the "I am horny for Sophia" (Beach changing room scene, begging to see boobs at the store, bikini fashion show to name a few) coming from him much more often than "I want to help with midlife crisis" elements in my opinion. It feels like that scale is heavily weighted to one side.

One must not forget either;

It didn't appear to be a "genuine apology from the heart", more so a "forced apology". Remember, Zac had to punch him in the arm and guilt him into the apology in the first place. So part of his reason for apologizing in the first place is social pressure from one of his best friends, not genuine remorse for his wrongdoings.

Next, one must consider the fact, he mentions "Fight Club" in his reasoning. He got himself beat up on top of beating himself up in the aims of his objectives. One could say he views Tyler Durden as a role model or a person who he would like to be like. Tyler Durden is very clearly a psychopath, perhaps with some mental illnesses in spite of him being a very intelligent, popular, and relatable character.

In the subtext of the game, it can also be seen that Dylan idolized Grand Theft Auto 5 as well as he cares about it enough to put a poster on his wall. The player characters in all the GTA games could be described as psychopaths.

Also on his wall is a "batman" poster. One must not forget the 2012 batman shooting on Colorado. Perhaps he idolizes the Joker character who could be viewed as a psychopath role model as like Tyler Durden. One could argue he looks at himself as batman as well a vigilante.

Then imagine putting Dylan side by side with Sam. Compare and contrast the two as to who has more "pure motives". It's clear Sam can be looked at as the more pure of heart between the two.

(He never comented back about the twist, but the twist was gone the next update.)

To remove part of the content in which it is told that it was Dylan who asked Aiden to blackmail Sofia so that she would wear sexy dresses was a HUGE mistake. This choice should have been left at a country school, the choice is made by Dylan to tell his mother about it or not.
When I played the game at the beginning, it immediately seemed to me that it was Dylan's tricks, because why the hell does Aiden need it? Plus, Alice said that Zack can stand up for himself calmly, and here he stands stupidly and allows himself to be beaten. BRING THE STORY BACK!!!!

 

[NewTricks]

So the theory that Adiden is blackmailing Sophia. That she would pay attention to him because he lost his mother and cannot come to terms with the loss. And Sophia is to replace his mother. Somehow I don't like it.

If it is true he didn't treat his poor old mom very nicely lol.

 

[Ruby Tuesday]

Yes and No. L&P is now using it independently to justify the "Blackmail" with Aiden, but it was initially part of the twist as it was a lie to conceal the nature of The Twist. Sophia questions Dylan before L&P decides to remove The Twist from the novel.

Spoiler: The Twist - Dylan's confession about the weaker students.

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Now, this is where the logical part comes into play. When L&P took The Twist out and left this scene intact with defending the student, One should have thought to themself, if what Dylan was saying was true about the students and teacher, what was the name of the students and teacher involved by the principal or Sophia so they could talk to them, as a teacher and parent which you think should have been brought up as a question if the twist was still intact too. So this is why he should have to revisit this scene after removing The Twist.

Spoiler: Dylan's Explanation - How the fight started.

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Thanks for archiving and clarifying this. Tweeny-boy Dylan trying to boss Aiden and mom paying the price!

 

[Feuggn]

False joy

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[chillybop]

Is this the game that some people called "Blueballs simulator?
No offense to anyone who enjoys the history but I'm looking for a game where I can get the gist of the story and have a good fap, are there any scenes already?
I heard the renders look amazing so I'm hoping there's enough porn for a porn game.

 

[Deleted member 4657539]

Is this the game that some people called "Blueballs simulator?
No offense to anyone who enjoys the history but I'm looking for a game where I can get the gist of the story and have a good fap, are there any scenes already?
I heard the renders look amazing so I'm hoping there's enough porn for a porn game.

It has 3 or 4 sex scenes with husband on good-wife path. Otherwise its blue-balling for 3-5 hours

 

[Alley_Cat]

Is this the game that some people called "Blueballs simulator?
No offense to anyone who enjoys the history but I'm looking for a game where I can get the gist of the story and have a good fap, are there any scenes already?
I heard the renders look amazing so I'm hoping there's enough porn for a porn game.

Unless you like pretty vanilla sex with the husband, this doesn't sound like the game for you.

 

[Losersriot]

Choose Your Destiny! Flawless Victory !

 

[chillybop]

Unless you like pretty vanilla sex with the husband, this doesn't sound like the game for you.

It has 3 or 4 sex scenes with husband on good-wife path. Otherwise its blue-balling for 3-5 hours

Thanks for the heads up, sounds like this is not a game for me.
Edit: The tags seems like it could develop into the kind of game I would like, I'll be back in a few years.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Thanks for the heads up, sounds like this is not a game for me.
Edit: The tags seems like it could develop into the kind of game I would like, I'll be back in a few years.

In terms of sex scenes on the Filthy route, development is so slow it could easily be a decade away.

 

[neminem]

So...where did Aiden get the key for the classroom? What if the 4th task centered around getting the key (assumes Sophia has only the key to HER classroom)? So...only Clar(e?) the janitor has the key? Aiden instructs Sophia that she must get the key from Clark(e?): her choice on how she does it? The teasers: I have no idea about.

 

[Alley_Cat]

So...where did Aiden get the key for the classroom? What if the 4th task centered around getting the key (assumes Sophia has only the key to HER classroom)? So...only Clar(e?) the janitor has the key? Aiden instructs Sophia that she must get the key from Clark(e?): her choice on how she does it? The teasers: I have no idea about.

Janitor Clark (no "e").

 

[Sadowdark]

Maybe dev found it illogical and threw it in the trash. HERE. that Dylan asked Aiden, a Yakuza member, to blackmail his mother. Dylan came up with a fight with Aiden to make it more believable. Because Dylan wanted his mom to dress sexier. She would be weak for me too. Because Dylan could have told his mother to dress sexier. He did not have to resort to blackmail.

 

[ancienregimele]

Over the last couple of years I've written more than I ever intended on the subject of the Aiden blackmail route. Now I'm about to do so again but having earlier participated in the foregoing discussion & then reading the follow-on, there are various points to consider from many fans. I apologise for not naming everyone in this post but I got back to my PC to find 28 posts to peruse & I would have to keep referring back & forth to do them full justice & sometimes I receive an overall impression & then address key elements, if you see what I mean. It's shorter that way, believe me.

First, I am in the position of approving the twist's removal. After initial doubts I got off the fence, because to include it would have made Dylan not just a needy, scheming, manipulative, misguided & confused person but IMO, a completely moronic idiot. I'm no Dylan fan but even I didn't want that for him. Now from my POV & playthrough, he's on his way to normal teen life with a new girlfriend. [Sophia's "mid-life crisis" did even Dylan ever believe that in the twist? What teenager ever thinks, (or has even heard), about a mid-life crisis anyway? Answer=not very many. Next he would have been thinking about his pension arrangements!?]

Then, without the twist, there's the crucial issue of the original reason that Dylan was picked on by Aiden & co. Again in the playthrough I use, there's no question that this happened & for a realistic reason. There could have been a case for more storytelling around the incident in the early stages of Aiden's plan. On the other hand, it is plausible to me that the school did in relation to Dylan, Zac & the original victims they helped, what is often done in RL regarding bullying, i.e. any of the following......the bare minimum,/ referred to the school's anti-bullying policy, (hereinafter known as 'fine words'),/ blamed the victim(s),/ promised further action after due consideration,/ denied anything serious had occurred,/ denied anything had happened at all,/ said that all details were 'confidential', then did nothing,/ had a talk with the victim's but not the perpetrator's parents or guardians, then did nothing,/ OR, that old standby.....listened to a parent's complaint with convincing, even genuine, empathy....then did nothing.

Finally there's the question of what the blackmail may become "later". It would appear that, despite everything, there's going to be some other kind of "twist" for those, like me, who will continue to play this route, for as long as it lasts that is. Although I'm 95% convinced the tasks will never reach double figures, I deplore the whole concept of it reaching a point where it becomes a mutually pleasurable, tacitly agreed, consensual sex-game. That's not blackmail. AWAM is already quite possibly the most vanilla corruption game out there & IMO, would continue to be so, even if the tasks ratcheted up several notches. Sophia enjoying some aspects of the tasks is not the same. She does this, despite herself & that's how it should stay, IMO.

Bennett has been sidelined. Nobody really thinks he's going to get anywhere meaningful, surely? Now we're seriously facing the prospect of both blackmail routes being terminated, even the possibility of Aiden just being another misunderstood "hard case". Yes, of course, somewhere deep down he probably craves affection but as far as I'm concerned, he can keep that to himself. Who will be the villain after he's 'redeemed'?

All told, I may appear to be in a minority but combined with an atrocious update schedule, "I don't like where this is going".