VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

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the numbers mean 0

I won't have enough "I told you so" 's to distribute when we get to the end of all of this.

 

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So apparently patrons are starting to speak up.

One of L&P's answers was:

We'll see. But it's still funny how people try to mock if I'm trying to improve the game experience for you. And not that I tell you that I'm taking off for a month now. No, I start the work on the next update while the animations are getting developed. But still people bitch around. Really nice.

This tells you what you need to know about his mindset. How can he fail to launch what was supposed to be the quickest update so far, takes 2 more months to do it, doesn't even update, and then has the sass to even hint that he should take a month vacation lmaooo.
He thinks he's being such a great developer, this is comical.

 

[CSK92]

is moving!!!

Backwards. I think?

 

[Sabertooth__]

So apparently patrons are starting to speak up.

One of L&P's answers was:




This tells you what you need to know about his mindset. How can he fail to launch what was supposed to be the quickest update so far, takes 2 more months to do it, doesn't even update, and then has the sass to even hint that he should take a month vacation lmaooo.
He thinks he's being such a great developer, this is comical.

Well he is not a good developer. And if you are such a strong believer of that why can't you give up on him. I don't get your logic. You have it all sorted out for years and yet you can't seem to give up on the man or his game.
What is wrong with you. You are the one who mentions how good other developers are nowadays, you know everything about how much it should take to do something ( even if you have never actually done it but still ), since you have all the knowledge why are you here everyday. There are better developers than him why not go and praise them for their good work, so those good developers can be even more motivated and give an even better game. What is so good about choosing to say something negative about someone than saying something positive about someone else who deserves it.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Well he is not a good developer. And if you are such a strong believer of that why can't you give up on him. I don't get your logic. You have it all sorted out for years and yet you can't seem to give up on the man or his game.
What is wrong with you. You are the one who mentions how good other developers are nowadays, you know everything about how much it should take to do something ( even if you have never actually done it but still ), since you have all the knowledge why are you here everyday. There are better developers than him why not go and praise them for their good work, so those good developers can be even more motivated and give an even better game. What is so good about choosing to say something negative about someone than saying something positive about someone else who deserves it.

It's a basic carrot and stick attempt at constructive criticism. Criticise someone about something they're doing poorly, like development speed or communication in the case of AWAM's problems, but give an example of another dev to show how the problem can be solved. And there are numerous devs that L&P can pick a solution from.

As to why, I can only speak for myself, but for me it's in the (possibly vain) hope that the game can get back on track and finished within a reasonable timeframe.

 

[Quadclops]

in fact no animations are needed but thats another conversation

but.. knowing you are going to do animations since you started the game in 2017
knowing your script because it was written in 2017
knowing that you'll have a sex scene in this update for years now
and then instead of preparing months before you leave it until the end so you can charge an extra 2 months on what was supposed to be the quickest update since ever..

something doesn't sound right

Serious question, is the sex scene in this update just more lesbian sex or are we speculating some actual penetration here?

 

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Serious question, is the sex scene in this update just more lesbian sex or are we speculating some actual penetration here?

most likely sex scene is between secondary characters or lesbian
everything else, if it happens, should be a "dream sequence" only

 

[Ryhen00]

the genre has spanking, i cant find it in the game.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Serious question, is the sex scene in this update just more lesbian sex or are we speculating some actual penetration here?

Next lesbian scene isn't likely until PD14 at the earliest. I very much doubt Sophia will be doing anything with Jennifer

 

[ashitanojoe]

So apparently patrons are starting to speak up.

What do you mean by patrons are starting to speak up? You were a patron as many others and you have been speaking since a long time ago. What do you suggest? That he should have 0 patrons? His numbers are actually low considering the popularity of the game, precisely because many people as you and me think he should develop his game faster.

AWAM is the third most popular game in this site, let's see the devs of the other most popular games: DrPinkCake, 14,000 patrons. Icstor, 5,443. DarkCookie, 32,884. NLT Media, 15,548. Mr. Dots, 6,100.

KsT has almost the same amount of patrons, 1861. And do you know how looks a render of his game?

The patrons has already spoken up from a long time ago, he isn't earning what a game of its quality and popularity really worth. If this game has patrons, it's because there are some people from the great amount of players, who consider that the quality delivered deserves the support despite of the slow development. This game has such a quality that someone like you that hates the dev so much, can't skip one single of the updates.

 

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Means you have absolutely no answer to rationalize your stupidity here. You don't like what's happening here, you complain about it for years, try to open other people's eyes and then jump to be the first one to play the update.

I have asked question to you tons of times here and everytime you couldn't justify why you do this. All you can say is I am free to write whatever I want. Even mad people can say whatever they want since they don't have to rationalize their act. A person with sound mind has a reason for why they do something.

And that is what I have shown here. You have no actual mature, rational explanation of what you are doing. The duality in what you say and do is blatantly evident and that is something that is ridiculous.

Ofcourse you don't have any answer for this. Because at the end of the day a person who's only objective to is to taunt, defame and create hostility on the internet, can never actually admit it.

I already took my time to school you and also to show you plenty of times how wrong you were. Everytime it devolves into wasted time because you're just going to keep writing dumb stuff that I don't have the patience because it leads to nothing.

I stick around because 1. I like the vn 2. I like the discussions about how poor this deveopment is. Nr 1 was actually a bigger reason a couple of years ago, now I mostly just enjoy discussing and being proven right of what I said years ago at every step this dev takes. Obviously I'll stick around now, we're at the "I told you so" part now. It's fun.

After you were caught in several lies and caught denying certain things were good for development without even knowing what they were (and you admitted that), what respect do you think you have from me to even bother with your petty arguments?

Almost everyday you come here and throw stuff in the air about a certain "someone" who everyone knows who you are talking about and now you're talking about taunting? Defaming? Creating hostility? You're the one doing those things.

I'l let you in on a little secret Sabertooth:

I don't care about you, you're not as interesting as you think you are and to read your posts I actually have to click on a little thing on the bottom right that says "Show ignored content", and every time I do that, it's just you crying about people who criticize the dev or trying to bait me into fruitless discussions so you and your crew can report me next or you're really just justifying another shitty misstep from L&P.

Do what I did to your username and put me in the ignore list. If you get so upset about my posts, it says a lot about how seriously you take this.

 

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What do you mean by patrons are starting to speak up? You were a patron as many others and you have been speaking since a long time ago. What do you suggest? That he should have 0 patrons? His numbers are actually low considering the popularity of the game, precisely because many people as you and me think he should develop his game faster.

AWAM is the third most popular game in this site, let's see the devs of the other most popular games: DrPinkCake, 14,000 patrons. Icstor, 5,443. DarkCookie, 32,884. NLT Media, 15,548. Mr. Dots, 6,100.

KsT has almost the same amount of patrons, 1861. And do you know how look a render of his game?

The patrons has already spoken up from a long time ago, he isn't earning what a game of his quality and popularity really worth. If this game has patrons, it's because there are some people who consider that the quality delivered deserves the support despite of the slow development. This game has such a quality that someone like you that hates the dev so much, can't skip one single of the updates.

I meant some patrons are complaining on the patreon page which is something that you didnt see often a few months ago.
How you took that for "he should have 0 patrons" is beyond me. Maybe read better next time.

As for that screenshot and that poor comparison.. isn't the twist trying to be a game on unity with 3d models and awam on renpy and sort of a vn with rendered 3dcg?

People playing the twist are not playing it because of its image quality for sure..

 

[V.scaletta]

What do you mean by patrons are starting to speak up? You were a patron as many others and you have been speaking since a long time ago. What do you suggest? That he should have 0 patrons? His numbers are actually low considering the popularity of the game, precisely because many people as you and me think he should develop his game faster.

AWAM is the third most popular game in this site, let's see the devs of the other most popular games: DrPinkCake, 14,000 patrons. Icstor, 5,443. DarkCookie, 32,884. NLT Media, 15,548. Mr. Dots, 6,100.

KsT has almost the same amount of patrons, 1861. And do you know how looks a render of his game?

The patrons has already spoken up from a long time ago, he isn't earning what a game of its quality and popularity really worth. If this game has patrons, it's because there are some people from the great amount of players, who consider that the quality delivered deserves the support despite of the slow development. This game has such a quality that someone like you that hates the dev so much, can't skip one single of the updates.

what was that game

 

[ashitanojoe]

I meant some patrons are complaining on the patreon page which is something that you didnt see often a few months ago.
How you took that for "he should have 0 patrons" is beyond me. Maybe read better next time.

LOL don't be such hypocrite, you get upset because he has patrons, you are mocking them constantly, why not be honest and admit it? When it's pretty evident. By the way, mine wasn't an affirmation, it was a question. And obviously it was an hyperbole.

 

[NewTricks]

what was that game

He said KsT was the dev so is it The Twist? I don't know I've never played it.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I already took my time to school you and also to show you plenty of times how wrong you were. Everytime it devolves into wasted time because you're just going to keep writing dumb stuff that I don't have the patience because it leads to nothing.

I stick around because 1. I like the vn 2. I like the discussions about how poor this deveopment is. Nr 1 was actually a bigger reason a couple of years ago, now I mostly just enjoy discussing and being proven right of what I said years ago at every step this dev takes. Obviously I'll stick around now, we're at the "I told you so" part now. It's fun.

After you were caught in several lies and caught denying certain things were good for development without even knowing what they were (and you admitted that), what respect do you think you have from me to even bother with your petty arguments?

Almost everyday you come here and throw stuff in the air about a certain "someone" who everyone knows who you are talking about and now you're talking about taunting? Defaming? Creating hostility? You're the one doing those things.

I'l let you in on a little secret Sabertooth:

I don't care about you, you're not as interesting as you think you are and to read your posts I actually have to click on a little thing on the bottom right that says "Show ignored content", and every time I do that, it's just you crying about people who criticize the dev or trying to bait me into fruitless discussions so you and your crew can report me next or you're really just justifying another shitty misstep from L&P.

Do what I did to your username and put me in the ignore list. If you get so upset about my posts, it says a lot about how seriously you take this.

First you used to say you talk about "game" and "game development" and that is on topic, now you talk "developer" is on topic once I exposed how you used to lie that you talk about the game and development. Constantly clinging on to different straws to justify yourself.

You like the VN. Who was that person who constantly tells, the writing is no longer good. The art quality is matched by many others games nowadays. The scenes are no original ideas. The developer is a liar. He literally abused you.
What a load of crap. You constantly say there are better games and L&P is not doing anything revolutionary, everything has already been done. So if there are people who have done what he has, why don't you find any interest in it.

2. You have doing the "I told you so" for over a year now. Are you a 10yr old who just likes to keep this validation coming for years because you have no other source of where you can show your intelligence ? Is that it ? For over a year beating on the same things to earn some validation on a porn thread. Seriously, that is what gives you pleasure. Is this your "Rationale".

Oh, how much of liar a former patron with every word said by L&P from his birth was as well was shown clearly that day

A few days ago I saw you mention Talcumm' graphs are right and I couldn't help but laugh because you are the one who argued with me when I said the development time was 4months 15 days based on his graph. Saying that it doesn't mean shit, because according to "You" it was some other date. And you called me a liar for that too.
Let me get it right, You have some sort of disorder ? Anyone that is not according to you is a Liar. It that how you do things. Because the same person's graph is valid to you when it supports your argument and invalid when it does not.

All I have to say is you have literally contradicted what you say on this thread regularly by your explanation right now. You have just shown what a childish Rationale you have.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Good god, Viper and Saber clogging up the thread. But guys, they really don't think about each other that much, they swear.

 

[ashitanojoe]

You can't make things up, assume they are true and then use it as an argument. That's not how it works. Don't you need to be above 18yo to register on this forum? Because I get the impression I'm discussing with a child.

If I was upset he had patreons there is a very easy way to get that page to 0 patrons. Obviously no one here wants that, myself included.

I'm surprised how some of you aren't here to talk about the game or it's development, but rather consistently talk about someone who talks about the game or it's development. It's hilarious.

So, you are trying to mocking me when I already told you in a explicit way that "the 0 patrons" thing was an hyperbole. Look, if you search hyperbole in google you will find examples as:

- I'm so hungry I could eat a horse.
- I walked a million miles to get here.
- She can hear a pin drop a mile away.
- He's as skinny as a toothpick.

As those examples, when I said "0 patrons", I made an intentional exaggeration. It doesn't mean literally that number. I have no problem in teach something new even to a person that is being rude to me.

 

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So, you are trying to mocking me when I already told you in a explicit way that "the 0 patrons" thing was an hyperbole. Look, if you search hyperbole in google you will find examples as:

- I'm so hungry I could eat a horse.
- I walked a million miles to get here.
- She can hear a pin drop a mile away.
- He's as skinny as a toothpick.

As those examples, when I said "0 patrons", I made an intentional exaggeration. It doesn't mean literally that number. I have no problem in teach something new even to a person that is being rude to me.

Maybe the forum page isn't displaying well for you but in my answer I even put in bold the " you get upset because he has patrons ".

What's the opposite of having patrons? Not having patrons.
Was this an hyperbole too? So you doubled down on it? Seriously it's like I'm discussing things with my 10 year old niece, it's pathetic.
Because I can use that argument also: All I've said so far it's an hyperbole, the development pace isn't bad, it's only a little little bit bad. See how easy that is?

I'm going to tell you what I told Sabertooth. I'm not that into you, this is a thread to discuss it's game or the development of the game. Not to discuss the people who discuss the game or the development.
I understand that there's no game to discuss since the last update was so long ago and you guys really don't want to discuss development because it's not convenient for you, but some people (the majority actually) like to discuss these things, so let them be. Stop trying to be the L&Police. No one will get silenced by your crew.

You're going to the same ignore list as Sabertooth as any discussion will be a waste of time.

 

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Oh really, you have what it takes to do it. Stop this game's development ? Why don't you do it. I would like to see. You're all talk no show. I dare you. Do it. Can you Little boy. A childish notion you have been living with. Prove yourself or shut the hell up. You can't do a thing. If you can, do it.

It's laughable how you always claim to do things you can't

That is the most pathetic message I've seen from you and it really shows your pettiness.

Why would I stop the funding for development of a game that I like and take someone's livelihood away just because I don't agree with the way it's being developed?
You realize that that game is absolutely breaking a ton of Patreon rules ? And that all it takes is some well written report for patreon to shut it down which is something we shouldnt even discuss here before some smooth brain gets any ideas?