- Jun 11, 2020
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That’s great but it’s L$P who can’t take constructive criticism and who deals out the verbal abuse, maybe post that on his Patreon so he sees it but he also might respond with verbal abuse
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- Sep 23, 2020
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I will only point out that L&P does not message here until and unless he is really provoked. That's when he lashes out too. Constructive Criticism has never provoked him, it has only been when the thread was belittling his art or where going on their usual flurry of liar, milker etc which is verbal abuse.
Constructive criticism in it's very nature can't provoke anyone since it is a personal opinion which one may or may not follow. It does state a right or wrong. Just throws a thought out in the open.
His replies to his patrons have mostly been Frank sometimes even chill but nothing ever from Patreon that can be classified as serious as verbal abuse.
- Apr 25, 2020
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Yes this is a pretty good counter-argument. We can get the game for free here, but the discussion could be the same on a "normal" forum like reddit or whatever. It's like calling conspiracy to shut up someone disagreeing with you in politics.
Do we have to buy games to denounce the abusive micro-transactions, lootboxes, NFTs and all the other shitty practices?
Well, he might be a wimp too, but remember what he also is: Part of L&P´s cheerleader squad, his "Microsoft" call-center of swindlers, äh, advertisers! They bend and distort the truth, try obfuscation and circle logic, everything that L&P comes out smelling like roses. We have seen it for dozens of pages, that even blatantly obvious evidence does not get through to them.
For me personally, this "obvious evidence" consists of 30% actual statements and actions by L&P, 30% is conjecture, and another 40% consists of conspiracy theories.
The discussion has long since become disconnected from the actual topic, the game. It's all about the absolute truth - "Either you agree with me completely and comprehensively or you are the enemy to be destroyed." Discord is not allowed, is interpreted as weakness, dissent is interpreted as a hostile act, and the reference to a minimum of etiquette is reinterpreted as suppression of opinion. Yes, yes, I'm a wimp, I don't care.
To use their words and to say it clearly , at L&P by no means everything smells like roses but for me the glass is still half full and not half empty.
I suspect that many here, like me, are both. They support some games for a certain time, but download the games here (e.g., because they don't want to pay the high costs for avoiding the artificial delay). The last time I gave money to L&P was a long time ago, and there are surely some people who say that I don't have the right to complain anymore if the project doesn't make real progress. But I see it completely different. Nagitive comments about the poor progress of L&P game, I do not rate as a complaint, but simply as an expression of opinion in a discussion. I think, everybody should be able to participate here, no matter if he ever paid something to L&P or not. If only the positive comments were allowed, a completely false picture would emerge. It's important that people realize that at the steady deceleration of development speed, L&P would soon need two lifetimes to complete this game. Whoever gives money invests in something that will most likely never be finished.
How did you calculate this?
Last update 0.150 was in Nov
Current 0.160 update is not ready but lets say he releases it in May
That means that means that one update took 6 months
soooo
0.165 - another 6 months that puts us in Nov 2022
v0.170 - another 6 months that puts us in May 2023
v0.175 - another 6 months that puts us in Nov 2023
So my rough estimate about 16-24 was incorrect try 18-24 months
Sabertooth__ Wanna do a side bet about when 0.175 will be released
Habawa - you made my day with this post
I concur ONLY manly men allowed in this thread
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Another case of selective perception. Did you even read what I wrote? That is not a word that he can not and should not say his opinion here. But that he can't stand there, complain about the growing selfishness of the world and at the same time pay nothing for a job. He writes "he spits in the face of L&P". I can understand the indignation for services not rendered, but a pirate/thief should hold back a little in his choice of words.
- May 17, 2017
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"994 render (previous) update... these two updates = max 600 renders... we can estimate how long it will take... he is likely to finish translation today"
... oh buddy
- Nov 14, 2020
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I am a pirate - I presume I am entitled to an opinion?
L&P said that update V0.155 would be ready by the "last third of March". We are now more than one week into April - in two days will be already finished the first third of April. And yet we are still awaiting V0.155 - and yet I believe that the animations are still at 90% unless I have missed an update post.
L&P is one of the worst people that I know of, at both project management and PR skills. I won't go as far as some and say that he is lying. But I can no longer take seriously anything that he promises. Everyone misses am occasional target or deadline. The difference is that L&P has missed EVERY target or deadline that I can remember.
I am still enjoying his work. I like the story he is trying to tell. I still wish he had foregone those stupid animations of tertiary characters that no one cares about and had instead had prioritised delivering his updates in a more timely manner. I just won't be holding my breadth that L&P actually manages to hit one of his targets or deadlines that he states in his Patreon posts.
Sure - but don't expect it to hold any sway with the developer.
Pirates that complain are just pissing in the wind.
- Jul 20, 2019
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With L&P patrons that complain are just pissing in the wind
- Jul 17, 2019
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I want to know where these posts are coming from. If you post a screen shot from Patreon please post what tier you have to be to see it. I guess I don't pay enough any more because I hardly see any posts. You have to raise your pledge to see anything any more. I like the game was an early supporter but I have lowered my pledge and may as well abandon it on this game and others, I see more post here for free, and can usually get games faster here than waiting form my tier on Patreon. It does not pay to be a supporter when pirates get better service. A lot of devs have this problem. Even at $10 to $15 a month you get more news and faster service here, for nothing.
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